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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:20 pm    Post subject: Realistic Mock Draft/Offseason Reply with quote

FREE AGENCY
Key Re-Signees:
Danny Amedola - Bradford’s security blanket. Should be very interesting negotiations.
William Hayes - Beginning to wonder if he’s played himself out of their price range.

**NEW**
BRANDON GIBSON - Veteran minimum deal offer, though he'll probably find his way to KC with Reid.

Key Salary Cap Good-Byes:
Steven Jackson - Gotta cut 2/3 of his scheduled $7 million base salary to stay.
Quintin Mickell - See Steven Jackson.
Wayne Hunter - Due $3.95 million base. Possible camp pickup for minimum.

Key New Editions:
Chris Ivory

Bigger back (6’0” 222) to team with Richardson/Pead/Ganaway. Ideally the Rams would be able to send Darian Stewart down to Spags and New Orleans in exchange for his services after they sign their tenders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1wjt_lmJfs

**NEW**
LARON LANDRY

Replacing UFA DaShon Goldson who may not even hit the market, with what I believe could be a slightly cheaper UFA in LaRon Landry whom would move from FS to SS with the Rams.

2013 NFL DRAFT

DAY ONE

1-16 Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama (6023, 322)

Comments: Warmack may be becoming a bit overrated by the draftnik community. While he‘s a stud OG, there‘s probably only been two players drafted to be an NFL OG who were selected prior to the 16th pick in about 20 years. And the Saints reached for one of them (Naeole). Looks like he could be the BPA/Need selection available here.

**NEW**
1-22 D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama (6061, 335)

Comments: Prior to Lewan and Matthews deciding to stay in school I figured that Fluker could surely had in the 2nd Round. Now I’m not so sure. Another road grader in the running game, while some use a Phil Loadholt comparison, Fluker sorta reminds me more of former Cowboys RT Erik Williams.

DAY TWO

**NEW**
2-47 Baccari Rambo, FS, Georgia (5116, 210)

Comments: With the move of newly signed FA LaRon Landry to SS, this selection gets the Rams a much needed playmaking ball hawk (16 college INTs) at FS.

3-78* Gerald Hodges, LB, Penn State (6021, 238)

Comments: “Linebacker U” looks to have another good one available in this draft. Love Hodges energy and enthusiasm. Reminds me of a bigger Jo Lunn Dunbar.

DAY THREE

4-109* Michael Williams, TE, Alabama (6052, 272)

Comments: Most are looking for this dynamic receiving TE to add to the roster. Not me. How often would he ever see the field with Kendricks already on the roster and Amedola working best in the slot out of the 3 WR set? Williams is a truly dominant blocker who can also catch the football. He's a bigger and better Michael Hoomanawanui type.

**NEW**
5-140* Connor Vernon, WR, Duke (6004, 200)

Comments: Fast. Strong. Explosive. That’s how his former head coach David Cutcliffe describes this young man. Here the Rams nab the ACC’s all-time leader in pass receptions and receiving yards.

6-171* David Bass, DE, Missouri Western (6032, 262)

Comments: Going back to the Missouri Western State well that brought the Rams Greg “The Leg.” Bass was a Division II pass rushing machine who compiled close to 40 sacks during his collegiate career. Eugene Sims is officially on notice.

**NEW**
7-208* Tyrann Mathieu, CB/PR, LSU (5084, 178)

Comments:: On the field a playmaker. Off the field a nightmare. Mathieu has missed the entire 2012 college season after getting kicked off the team for failing drug tests and just got arrested on a drug charge this past October. I question if there is a team outside of the Bengals that would take him earlier than this spot, but if they don’t he’s worth a 7th round flier for his return skills alone.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2013 Starting Defense

LE Chris Long
DT Michael Brockers
DT Kendall Langford
RE Robert Quinn

SLB Gerald Hodges
MLB James Larinaitis
WLB Jo Lon Dunbar

CB/Nickel Courtland Finnegan / Trumaine Johnson
CB Janoris Jenkins
FS Barcarri Rambo
SS LaRon Landry

That's pretty darn strong if you ask me.

Landry is much bigger and faster than Mickell and has better ball skills. Rambo playing centerfield could be like a mini-Ed Reed back there playing the ball and helping the team get turnovers from the position they couldn't get last year (Anyone else amazed that the team that had so many sack only got 1 INT combined from their starting safeties?).

Hodges starts off at SLB offering better coverage skills, toughness, and speed over what the team put out there last year. And he can replace Dubar in the nickel package.

And another year of development for Brockers and Quinn?

That could be a top 3-5 defense with the right defensive coordinator hire.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2013 Rams Starting Offense

QB Sam Bradford
RB Chris Ivory/Daryl Richardson/Isiaih Pead

TE Lance Kendricks
LT Rodgers Safford
LG Chance Warmack
C Scott Wells
RG Harvey Dahl (Unless Watkins can make him a cap cut)
RT DJ Fluker
TE Michael Williams

WR Chris Givens
WR Danny Amendola

Rotating in: Brian Quick, Vernon Connor, Mark Clayton, OPEN (deep threat).

Not as strong as the defense (passing game), but the rushing attack should be improved allowing for more use of play action.

Just need Schottenhiemer to use Kendricks more down the seam.

This offense won't lead the league in scoring, but it should do better than it did last year with the additions and the team finally playing in the same scheme for the 2nd year in a row.

Now this is Jeff Fisher ball.

Pound the rock. Use some play action. Strong defense. Playoffs.

Then in 2014 next year go after one of those superstar WRs in the draft if Quick doesn't pan out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly have always loved Landry, and would be giddy to have him in horns. He causes fear in opposing WR's, which is a good thing. Also love the Ivory signing, underrated talent that could easily slip in and produce as much as Jax at half the salary (or less).

On to the draft, just don't know if I like Fluker there. With our 2nd rounder, sure. Not sold that he is 1st round talent and doesn't offer much versatility. I do like him as prospect, but just not with a first.

I've warmed up to Rambo a bit and don't have much of an issue with him here.

Only thing I see in this offseason lacking is we probably need to add a RB and WR to the mix. I do have faith that Richardson/Pead can hold down the RB position, but I'm not sold on the coaching feeling the same way. I just don't know how much Vernon is going to improve our WR's, if at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatlyner wrote:
I honestly have always loved Landry, and would be giddy to have him in horns. He causes fear in opposing WR's, which is a good thing. Also love the Ivory signing, underrated talent that could easily slip in and produce as much as Jax at half the salary (or less).

On to the draft, just don't know if I like Fluker there. With our 2nd rounder, sure. Not sold that he is 1st round talent and doesn't offer much versatility. I do like him as prospect, but just not with a first.

I've warmed up to Rambo a bit and don't have much of an issue with him here.

Only thing I see in this offseason lacking is we probably need to add a RB and WR to the mix. I do have faith that Richardson/Pead can hold down the RB position, but I'm not sold on the coaching feeling the same way. I just don't know how much Vernon is going to improve our WR's, if at all.


Ivory, Pead, Richardson and add another back? It would probably have to be a FB/RB as you can only have so many on the roster. If Ganaway isn't the guy, here's a guy I'm intrigued by as a potential undrafted FA:

Quote:
Alex Singleton, FB, Tulsa (6003, 260)[/b]

Comments: This college bowling ball was viewed as Tulsa’s short yardage specialist yet he still averaged about 4 yards per carry with his 43 career rushing TDs. You can’t teach this size and if the scouting department determines that he has the willingness to be a lead blocking FB while getting few carries, he could be a later round find and bring the FB position back to the offense.




IMO, Vernon improves the WR core, by being just what he is said to be by his former coach. Fast, strong and explosive. How many Rams WRs does that describe? Also, this guy runs pretty good routes.

Didn't like Fluker in round one either, but I keep reading how scouts place him there. And a starting RT doesn't have to be that versatile, though I believe he could slide in at RG in a pinch.


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Why would the Saints trade us a very talented, very sought after RB in Ivory for Darian Stewart? A guy who potentially doesnt even get tendered by us?

DJ Fluker is a massive human being, but he isnt close to a 1st round OT. He might not even be a 2nd round Tackle with all the guys in this draft that have the potential to start as RTs and grow into LTs.

How does anyone look at what Baccari Rambo does on a football field and think that is going to work in the NFL. He is constantly out of position, always going for the big play/hit and gets carried around by College RBs & WRs because he doesnt form tackle. All he knows how to do is try and make a play and could care less about playing his position.

Thats real early for a Blocking TE, and while I dont see Mathieu as worth a 4th rounder, I doubt he makes it to the 7th either.
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StLunatic88 wrote:
Why would the Saints trade us a very talented, very sought after RB in Ivory for Darian Stewart? A guy who potentially doesnt even get tendered by us?

DJ Fluker is a massive human being, but he isnt close to a 1st round OT. He might not even be a 2nd round Tackle with all the guys in this draft that have the potential to start as RTs and grow into LTs.

How does anyone look at what Baccari Rambo does on a football field and think that is going to work in the NFL. He is constantly out of position, always going for the big play/hit and gets carried around by College RBs & WRs because he doesnt form tackle. All he knows how to do is try and make a play and could care less about playing his position.

Thats real early for a Blocking TE, and while I dont see Mathieu as worth a 4th rounder, I doubt he makes it to the 7th either.


I said ideally the Rams could move a (signed) tendererd Stewart for a tendered Ivory. Will need Spags help there. If not, they could sign him out-right as he'll probably only get the minimum tender due to the Saints cap issues AND already having 4 other backs on the roster. I'm also not so sure how widely sought after he will actually be when free agency starts.

There are quite a few other OTs the Rams "could" obtain to play RT and possibly move to LT. However, some of those guys wouldn't be good fits at RT in a power run scheme while we wait. Plus, it's no lock that targeted player who does fit is available at the Rams selections.

Fluker may be a RT only, but he's a darn good one and a good fit.

Williams isn't just any blocking TE. He's one of the best and one who actually has some underutilized receiving ability. Don't let his use at Bama fool you.

Neither Rambo or any of these guys are a finished product. But, I'll take a play maker at FS in this defense while he hones his craft all day long.
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Not at all a fan, Memphis. I don't think Fluker is a first round pick at OT because he's a RT only player...may end up kicking inside. Then we don't address the WR position. Then we choose to commit to LaRon Landry which is not an idea that I love.

Not a fan.
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jrry32 wrote:
Not at all a fan, Memphis. I don't think Fluker is a first round pick at OT because he's a RT only player...may end up kicking inside. Then we don't address the WR position. Then we choose to commit to LaRon Landry which is not an idea that I love.

Not a fan.


I'm not a fan of using a 1st rounder on a RT only type either. However, it's been done (Andre Smith, Jeff Otah, Willie Anderson, late Korey Stringer), it's a late 1st rounder, and I'm tired of waiting for the position to be filled.

WR was addressed. You're sleeping on my sleeper, Connor Vernon. Plus I expect something from Brian Quick after a full offseason of work. The talent is there. He must needs to catch up mentally.

Landry? Not sure if they can even sign him. But I like his LB size, intimidating physical style and speed in the box more than Mickell.

All in all, my goal was to build a Jeff Fisher like team. Not the high flying circus some here seem to be dreaming about which he has never done.
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Memphis Ram wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Not at all a fan, Memphis. I don't think Fluker is a first round pick at OT because he's a RT only player...may end up kicking inside. Then we don't address the WR position. Then we choose to commit to LaRon Landry which is not an idea that I love.

Not a fan.


I'm not a fan of using a 1st rounder on a RT only type either. However, it's been done (Andre Smith, Jeff Otah, Willie Anderson, late Korey Stringer), it's a late 1st rounder, and I'm tired of waiting for the position to be filled.

WR was addressed. You're sleeping on my sleeper, Connor Vernon. Plus I expect something from Brian Quick after a full offseason of work. The talent is there. He must needs to catch up mentally.

Landry? Not sure if they can even sign him. But I like his LB size, intimidating physical style and speed in the box more than Mickell.

All in all, my goal was to build a Jeff Fisher like team. Not the high flying circus some here seem to be dreaming about which he has never done.


I think there are better options to fill the position with and imo, we could get a RT in the 2nd...if not Fluker, one like Fluker.

As for Andre, he wasn't an RT only guy coming out. Ended up as a RT.

I can understand wanting to wait on Quick but what happens if he doesn't ever pan out?

Vernon could be excellent but are you sure you want to rely on a 5th rounder if Quick doesn't pan out?
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jrry32 wrote:
Memphis Ram wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Not at all a fan, Memphis. I don't think Fluker is a first round pick at OT because he's a RT only player...may end up kicking inside. Then we don't address the WR position. Then we choose to commit to LaRon Landry which is not an idea that I love.

Not a fan.


I'm not a fan of using a 1st rounder on a RT only type either. However, it's been done (Andre Smith, Jeff Otah, Willie Anderson, late Korey Stringer), it's a late 1st rounder, and I'm tired of waiting for the position to be filled.

WR was addressed. You're sleeping on my sleeper, Connor Vernon. Plus I expect something from Brian Quick after a full offseason of work. The talent is there. He must needs to catch up mentally.

Landry? Not sure if they can even sign him. But I like his LB size, intimidating physical style and speed in the box more than Mickell.

All in all, my goal was to build a Jeff Fisher like team. Not the high flying circus some here seem to be dreaming about which he has never done.


I think there are better options to fill the position with and imo, we could get a RT in the 2nd...if not Fluker, one like Fluker.

As for Andre, he wasn't an RT only guy coming out. Ended up as a RT.

I can understand wanting to wait on Quick but what happens if he doesn't ever pan out?

Vernon could be excellent but are you sure you want to rely on a 5th rounder if Quick doesn't pan out?


Andre was a RT only coming out to me. Though only is probably strong since both he and Fluker could shift inside. You think he can handle LT? I don't. Never did.

I don't care what round a guy is selected in if I think he can play. Givens was only a 4th rounder. And Quick isn't the only other option on the team. I'm telling you, I keep looking at these Jeff Fisher teams and I don't see all these top shelf WRs everyone has been clamoring for the Rams to pick up. Guys like Drew Bennett, Justin Gage, and albeit a better Derrick Mason were the best he had going on some of his BEST teams.

Strong defense. Strong oline. Strong running game.
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As a prospect? Yea.
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Memphis Ram wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Not at all a fan, Memphis. I don't think Fluker is a first round pick at OT because he's a RT only player...may end up kicking inside. Then we don't address the WR position. Then we choose to commit to LaRon Landry which is not an idea that I love.

Not a fan.


I'm not a fan of using a 1st rounder on a RT only type either. However, it's been done (Andre Smith, Jeff Otah, Willie Anderson, late Korey Stringer), it's a late 1st rounder, and I'm tired of waiting for the position to be filled.

WR was addressed. You're sleeping on my sleeper, Connor Vernon. Plus I expect something from Brian Quick after a full offseason of work. The talent is there. He must needs to catch up mentally.

Landry? Not sure if they can even sign him. But I like his LB size, intimidating physical style and speed in the box more than Mickell.

All in all, my goal was to build a Jeff Fisher like team. Not the high flying circus some here seem to be dreaming about which he has never done.


I could care less about Landry size, physical style and muscles. Mikell is a better player and that's all that matters.

also I don't understand why anyone would want to go into next year with the exact same receiving corps as this year. everyone talks about Sam having more time but our receivers not being able to get separation hurt him just as badly as our porous pass protection.

Vernon doesn't bring anything that Pettis doesn't bring. In fact Pettis is bigger, just as good an athlete and has even better hands. Our offense needs more than another possession receiver.
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DerekBrink wrote:
Memphis Ram wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Not at all a fan, Memphis. I don't think Fluker is a first round pick at OT because he's a RT only player...may end up kicking inside. Then we don't address the WR position. Then we choose to commit to LaRon Landry which is not an idea that I love.

Not a fan.


I'm not a fan of using a 1st rounder on a RT only type either. However, it's been done (Andre Smith, Jeff Otah, Willie Anderson, late Korey Stringer), it's a late 1st rounder, and I'm tired of waiting for the position to be filled.

WR was addressed. You're sleeping on my sleeper, Connor Vernon. Plus I expect something from Brian Quick after a full offseason of work. The talent is there. He must needs to catch up mentally.

Landry? Not sure if they can even sign him. But I like his LB size, intimidating physical style and speed in the box more than Mickell.

All in all, my goal was to build a Jeff Fisher like team. Not the high flying circus some here seem to be dreaming about which he has never done.


I could care less about Landry size, physical style and muscles. Mikell is a better player and that's all that matters.

also I don't understand why anyone would want to go into next year with the exact same receiving corps as this year. everyone talks about Sam having more time but our receivers not being able to get separation hurt him just as badly as our porous pass protection.

Vernon doesn't bring anything that Pettis doesn't bring. In fact Pettis is bigger, just as good an athlete and has even better hands. Our offense needs more than another possession receiver.


Muscles aside, Landry is a more intimidating presence, physical, and better in coverage. He's like having an extra LB out there which would be huge in the nickel and dime packages when teams run the football. I'm sorry, but Mickell wasn't playing all that well until they moved him into more of an in the box role and he blitzed. Landry offers the potential to be able to play well in the box AND in the deep middle so I disagree.

Pettis probably has better hands, but Vernon looks faster and quicker than Pettis coming out which is huge. That equals Separation.

Same WR core? Actually only 3 WRs are the same (see depth chart) and I'm expecting improvement from the rookie WRs (Quick, Givens) after a complete offseason with the team. And this time it's even better as it seems the QB will be in the same system for two years in a row. For all the talk of WRs not getting open (that happens), Bradford missed his fare share of open WRs, too. Especially Kendricks. BTW, don't sleep on the practice squad WRs.

AND IMO, if this team improves that rushing attack, which I believe this plan does in spades, the passing game will be that much better. That's how Fisher did it in TN. And with WRs we would be screaming to be replaced. In fact we did with one. Remember the Drew Bennett experience?? He was fine with Fisher.
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