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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's weird, is that it's possible that our best 2 coordinators/position coaches over the last decade could be back here.

I loved Chud's offense and Mel with the DB's. Would love to have him again, also because it probably means 4-3 lives.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Estonianzulu wrote:
bulldog wrote:

My point? If we swith too a 1 gap, we have the DL for it. Its an easier position to play. This whole its gonna be hard to find the talent thing doesn't make any sense. its harder to find the 2 gap DE. Not a 1 gap.


My worry is less that our DL talent doesn't stack up but our LB talent doesn't stack up. And I think its easier to find pure pass rushers than pass rushers who can also drop back into coverage


I can't disagre with you here, but that's part of the beauty of the 34. Masking coverages and blitzes.


The masking/deception part is not done by a player though; it's done with the whole defense understanding their roles. That comes with the whole defense having experience playing in the scheme.


Being responsible for your role in a defense is not decided by scheme. It is a fundumental aspect of all football.

so I fully disagree with this.

Also, the playcaller, IMO, is most responsible for "masking and deception".

Wade Phillips and D!ck Lebeau make their defenses work. You think James Harrison is good in coverage? Anthony Spencer? Joey Porter?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Estonianzulu wrote:
bulldog wrote:

My point? If we swith too a 1 gap, we have the DL for it. Its an easier position to play. This whole its gonna be hard to find the talent thing doesn't make any sense. its harder to find the 2 gap DE. Not a 1 gap.


My worry is less that our DL talent doesn't stack up but our LB talent doesn't stack up. And I think its easier to find pure pass rushers than pass rushers who can also drop back into coverage


I can't disagre with you here, but that's part of the beauty of the 34. Masking coverages and blitzes.


The masking/deception part is not done by a player though; it's done with the whole defense understanding their roles. That comes with the whole defense having experience playing in the scheme.


Being responsible for your role in a defense is not decided by scheme. It is a fundumental aspect of all football.

so I fully disagree with this.

Also, the playcaller, IMO, is most responsible for "masking and deception".

Wade Phillips and D!ck Lebeau make their defenses work. You think James Harrison is good in coverage? Anthony Spencer? Joey Porter?


I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. I didn't say there is a scheme where players have no responsibilities.

You can call a play that is designed to mask a blitzing ILB in the 3-4. But then another player needs to cover the middle of the field in case the offense picks it up.

Inexperienced players can (and do) find it more difficult to not give keys to their intentions.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I seem to recall hearing Mel Tucker's name being thrown around.


Right now he is said to be the favorite.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I seem to recall hearing Mel Tucker's name being thrown around.


Right now he is said to be the favorite.


to be the Jags head coach or the Browns DC??
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zelbell wrote:
Its A Sabotage wrote:
bruceb wrote:
I seem to recall hearing Mel Tucker's name being thrown around.


Right now he is said to be the favorite.


to be the Jags head coach or the Browns DC??


Think he is interviewing with the Jags, though it could be Rooney style.

I think he is the favorite for our DC job, which i honestly love.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
zelbell wrote:
Its A Sabotage wrote:
bruceb wrote:
I seem to recall hearing Mel Tucker's name being thrown around.


Right now he is said to be the favorite.


to be the Jags head coach or the Browns DC??


Think he is interviewing with the Jags, though it could be Rooney style.

I think he is the favorite for our DC job, which i honestly love.


i would too then we could still have a 4-3 posisibly
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zelbell wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
zelbell wrote:
Its A Sabotage wrote:
bruceb wrote:
I seem to recall hearing Mel Tucker's name being thrown around.


Right now he is said to be the favorite.


to be the Jags head coach or the Browns DC??


Think he is interviewing with the Jags, though it could be Rooney style.

I think he is the favorite for our DC job, which i honestly love.


i would too then we could still have a 4-3 posisibly


Exactly

Also, he was a beast with our Db's, which definitely need work.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schefter said on countdown we are eyeing John Pagano as a potential DC as well
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Pagano means 3-4.

Hope not lol
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zelbell wrote:
Schefter said on countdown we are eyeing John Pagano as a potential DC as well


Quote:
Browns HC Rob Chudzinski targeting SD's John Pagano as his defensive coordinator. KC also did, but Chargers wouldn't let him out of deal yet

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Estonianzulu wrote:
bulldog wrote:

My point? If we swith too a 1 gap, we have the DL for it. Its an easier position to play. This whole its gonna be hard to find the talent thing doesn't make any sense. its harder to find the 2 gap DE. Not a 1 gap.


My worry is less that our DL talent doesn't stack up but our LB talent doesn't stack up. And I think its easier to find pure pass rushers than pass rushers who can also drop back into coverage


I can't disagre with you here, but that's part of the beauty of the 34. Masking coverages and blitzes.


The masking/deception part is not done by a player though; it's done with the whole defense understanding their roles. That comes with the whole defense having experience playing in the scheme.


Being responsible for your role in a defense is not decided by scheme. It is a fundumental aspect of all football.

so I fully disagree with this.

Also, the playcaller, IMO, is most responsible for "masking and deception".

Wade Phillips and D!ck Lebeau make their defenses work. You think James Harrison is good in coverage? Anthony Spencer? Joey Porter?


I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. I didn't say there is a scheme where players have no responsibilities.

You can call a play that is designed to mask a blitzing ILB in the 3-4. But then another player needs to cover the middle of the field in case the offense picks it up.

Inexperienced players can (and do) find it more difficult to not give keys to their intentions.


I actually mis read your post, my bad.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zelbell wrote:
Its A Sabotage wrote:
bruceb wrote:
I seem to recall hearing Mel Tucker's name being thrown around.


Right now he is said to be the favorite.


to be the Jags head coach or the Browns DC??


Brown's DC. We are also interviewing Keith Armstrong, so he isn't our only minority interview.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Estonianzulu wrote:
bulldog wrote:

My point? If we swith too a 1 gap, we have the DL for it. Its an easier position to play. This whole its gonna be hard to find the talent thing doesn't make any sense. its harder to find the 2 gap DE. Not a 1 gap.


My worry is less that our DL talent doesn't stack up but our LB talent doesn't stack up. And I think its easier to find pure pass rushers than pass rushers who can also drop back into coverage


I can't disagre with you here, but that's part of the beauty of the 34. Masking coverages and blitzes.


The masking/deception part is not done by a player though; it's done with the whole defense understanding their roles. That comes with the whole defense having experience playing in the scheme.


Being responsible for your role in a defense is not decided by scheme. It is a fundumental aspect of all football.

so I fully disagree with this.

Also, the playcaller, IMO, is most responsible for "masking and deception".

Wade Phillips and D!ck Lebeau make their defenses work. You think James Harrison is good in coverage? Anthony Spencer? Joey Porter?


I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. I didn't say there is a scheme where players have no responsibilities.

You can call a play that is designed to mask a blitzing ILB in the 3-4. But then another player needs to cover the middle of the field in case the offense picks it up.

Inexperienced players can (and do) find it more difficult to not give keys to their intentions.


I actually mis read your post, my bad.


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fsubrowns9510 wrote:
zelbell wrote:
Schefter said on countdown we are eyeing John Pagano as a potential DC as well


Quote:
Browns HC Rob Chudzinski targeting SD's John Pagano as his defensive coordinator. KC also did, but Chargers wouldn't let him out of deal yet


well im really hoping Schefty is wrong for once lol i realllly wanna keep the 4-3
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