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Phire
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| AZ_Eaglesfan wrote: | | And another thing I would like to add is that the Eagles are not going to be a playoff team next year. I think Howie knows that we are building for the long run here, not to sell tickets next year. He won't waste his time on a QB that he has no faith in. |
Play devil's advocate for a second, what would he do if that QB was Foles?
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| Phire wrote: | You can build around Foles then replace him if need be.
But will they take the risk? There's no insurance policy that says there will be a legitimate replacement for Foles, or that we'll be in position to get one.
I believe there are good quarterbacks in EVERY DRAFT.
With pick #4, we can basically choose our guy. I'm not saying that's the best way to do it, nor can I even name a guy we could draft there. I just think it's very realistic for the new coach to kick start a new era with a QB. |
what about this very likely scenario.
We over draft a qb in this draft, say geno smith. Foles ends up not being the guy and smith ends up not being the guy. Doesn't that set our franchise back more than drafting a good defensive player and then finding out foles is not the guy?
I don't understand the fascination with new coach new qb, that doesn't have to be a good thing.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Phire wrote: | | AZ_Eaglesfan wrote: | | And another thing I would like to add is that the Eagles are not going to be a playoff team next year. I think Howie knows that we are building for the long run here, not to sell tickets next year. He won't waste his time on a QB that he has no faith in. |
Play devil's advocate for a second, what would he do if that QB was Foles? |
Well if he really didn't believe in Foles after last year (which I don't think is the case) he would have to look for something in free agency or in a trade (ie Smith, Flynn). Obviously these quarterbacks are not franchise leaders, but they are better options for next year and they give us a shot at drafting someone in the 2014 draft that could be special. I just don't see the point in wasting a high draft pick on someone that doesn't seem like a franchise QB. Build a better team so we can plug a real QB in next year. |
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Phire
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| ninjapirate wrote: | | Phire wrote: | You can build around Foles then replace him if need be.
But will they take the risk? There's no insurance policy that says there will be a legitimate replacement for Foles, or that we'll be in position to get one.
I believe there are good quarterbacks in EVERY DRAFT.
With pick #4, we can basically choose our guy. I'm not saying that's the best way to do it, nor can I even name a guy we could draft there. I just think it's very realistic for the new coach to kick start a new era with a QB. |
what about this very likely scenario.
We over draft a qb in this draft, say geno smith. Foles ends up not being the guy and smith ends up not being the guy. Doesn't that set our franchise back more than drafting a good defensive player and then finding out foles is not the guy?
I don't understand the fascination with new coach new qb, that doesn't have to be a good thing. |
I think the fascination with new coach new QB exists in the league, that's why I think it's a likely situation.
I don't see what's unreasonable about a head coaching wanting to rebuild around a QB he likes, not leaving the most important position in football to a previous regime's left overs.
And I agree that it's not always a good thing. Just that it's likely.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Phire wrote: | You can build around Foles then replace him if need be.
But will they take the risk? There's no insurance policy that says there will be a legitimate replacement for Foles, or that we'll be in position to get one.
I believe there are good quarterbacks in EVERY DRAFT.
With pick #4, we can basically choose our guy. I'm not saying that's the best way to do it, nor can I even name a guy we could draft there. I just think it's very realistic for the new coach to kick start a new era with a QB. |
Tom Brady was a sixth round pick so sure, there's a chance we find our new franchise guy in the draft.
For me, I hope we take BPA at #4 and take another project QB in round 3-5. Like ninja said, we can take Geno or whoever at #4 and end up in the exact same position next year.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Phire wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | Phire wrote: | You can build around Foles then replace him if need be.
But will they take the risk? There's no insurance policy that says there will be a legitimate replacement for Foles, or that we'll be in position to get one.
I believe there are good quarterbacks in EVERY DRAFT.
With pick #4, we can basically choose our guy. I'm not saying that's the best way to do it, nor can I even name a guy we could draft there. I just think it's very realistic for the new coach to kick start a new era with a QB. |
what about this very likely scenario.
We over draft a qb in this draft, say geno smith. Foles ends up not being the guy and smith ends up not being the guy. Doesn't that set our franchise back more than drafting a good defensive player and then finding out foles is not the guy?
I don't understand the fascination with new coach new qb, that doesn't have to be a good thing. |
I think the fascination with new coach new QB exists in the league, that's why I think it's a likely situation.
I don't see what's unreasonable about a head coaching wanting to rebuild around a QB he likes, not leaving the most important position in football to a previous regime's left overs.
And I agree that it's not always a good thing. Just that it's likely. |
Well I'm sure Nick Foles has been brought up in every interview so far. I don't think the new coach has to be anti-foles.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ninjapirate wrote: | | Phire wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | Phire wrote: | You can build around Foles then replace him if need be.
But will they take the risk? There's no insurance policy that says there will be a legitimate replacement for Foles, or that we'll be in position to get one.
I believe there are good quarterbacks in EVERY DRAFT.
With pick #4, we can basically choose our guy. I'm not saying that's the best way to do it, nor can I even name a guy we could draft there. I just think it's very realistic for the new coach to kick start a new era with a QB. |
what about this very likely scenario.
We over draft a qb in this draft, say geno smith. Foles ends up not being the guy and smith ends up not being the guy. Doesn't that set our franchise back more than drafting a good defensive player and then finding out foles is not the guy?
I don't understand the fascination with new coach new qb, that doesn't have to be a good thing. |
I think the fascination with new coach new QB exists in the league, that's why I think it's a likely situation.
I don't see what's unreasonable about a head coaching wanting to rebuild around a QB he likes, not leaving the most important position in football to a previous regime's left overs.
And I agree that it's not always a good thing. Just that it's likely. |
Well I'm sure Nick Foles has been brought up in every interview so far. I don't think the new coach has to be anti-foles. |
Another good point. If Howie thinks that Foles is the guy, he would likely wouldn't higher a coach who agrees with that. |
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Phire
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That could be what turns coaches away.
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By ninjas logic ...we shouldn't draft a QB at all the next two years cause what if he busts??? Well there's a chance of that happening no matter what...that's the risk you take in the NFL.
Ill put it this way...there's a better chance that Geno doesn't bust than hI'm busting. I think he's gonna be a stud personally...i want him at 4 or Wilson a t 35
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| baconrad3 wrote: | By ninjas logic ...we shouldn't draft a QB at all the next two years cause what if he busts??? Well there's a chance of that happening no matter what...that's the risk you take in the NFL.
Ill put it this way...there's a better chance that Geno doesn't bust than hI'm busting. I think he's gonna be a stud personally...i want him at 4 or Wilson a t 35 |
Geno is a project. He does more wrong then he does right. If you draft him and start him week 1, he'll be out of football in 3 years.
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Nick Foles, and a 2nd-3rd round QB will compete.
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| People, just because some rookies had some incredible success this year doesn't mean that is the norm in the NFL right now. Geno needs time to develop, just like all rookies at his talent level. |
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ninjapirate
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| baconrad3 wrote: | By ninjas logic ...we shouldn't draft a QB at all the next two years cause what if he busts??? Well there's a chance of that happening no matter what...that's the risk you take in the NFL.
Ill put it this way...there's a better chance that Geno doesn't bust than hI'm busting. I think he's gonna be a stud personally...i want him at 4 or Wilson a t 35 |
No I never said that, I say the quarterbacks in this draft suck. Build up other problem areas this season. Give Foles another chance and if he doesn't work out get your guy in 14 if he does well get foles more help.
I am saying we shouldn't draft a qb so he can be the coaches 'guy'
So why reach at 4 on a kid?
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| People, just because some rookies had some incredible success this year doesn't mean that is the norm in the NFL right now. Geno needs time to develop, just like all rookies at his talent level. |
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In general, I think the fanbase and ownership are intelligent enough to say, if Foles is given the opportunity and fails that will not be held against the head coach. There is no reason to force the quarterback - NONE. Foles showed enough IMO and in general I believe, the fanabse's opinion to get another look as a starting passer in this league.
If he fails - you take Bridgewater or Murray (who I am admiitedly a bigger fan of than most) or whoever your top QB is when we pick, in a better QB class..
The GM has been given all the credit for the draft - the GM should go into these interviews and say "Nick is our guy next year, Mike is gone, can we work together to rebuild this franchise..." And that should be it.
There is no need to force Geno on this fanbase - contrary to what people believe, the franchise ios capable of growing pains... Let the kid play 16 games behind a real offensive line, with an actual running game and we'll see what he has... |
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