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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I should clarify my inquiry. If we are going to go the 4-3 path, I would like to see the heavy rotation along the front seven that we saw with Jimmy. I am think Craw/Liss at DE. Ware/Wilbur at DE. Lee/Albright/Lemon at MLB. Not saying keep all of them, but why could it not work is more so my question.


With Albright and Wilber at MLB and DE, who is going to play SOLB? Both of those guys look capable of manning that spot, thus lessening the number of holes that have to be filled. That gives us better flexibility in FA and the Draft.

As for Lissemore at DE, I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at it. But, I think he is a better fit at DT.


Not saying they all have to go to those spot. More so asking the opinion of individually if everyone thinks they could fit. Working an my off-season and wanted to add a few wrinkles. How I go with the draft depends on how I shuffle some players around. These three I got hung up the most on. This is more so for my benefit than anything else.


Instead of MLB, I could see Albright being Ware's backup at Weakside DE. He played it in college.
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There were several things that I learned about this roster last season that will help me when it comes to finding players for this upcoming 2013 NFL Draft. Regardless of the scheme change, this defense is in great hands with Sean Lee and Bruce Carter as the major pieces of it. The scheme calls for an athletic, aware, solid tacking middle linebacker which fits Lee to a tee.

As outstanding as Lee is finding the football, working his way through trash and making tackles, he is even better as a defender in pass coverage. He can play man coverage but has a really nice feel for zone drops and where he needs to fit. His ability to react was put on display several times this season against Tampa on a zone drop, then driving on the ball for an interception. Then against Carolina where the receiver ran a route behind him on third down and he was able to knock the ball loose. Lee will benefit having two defensive linemen in front of him instead of just one. By playing covered, he really has a chance to chase the ball because he will not have to always take on blocks. Leeís ability to read scheme quickly will really help him in this defense both run and pass.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/article-BryanBroaddus/Broaddus-Changing-Schemes-Will-Benefit-Lee-As-Inside-Backer-/560a1e53-8a60-4ab7-9eeb-415df9ad884b?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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htfryar wrote:
Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
htfryar wrote:
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I should clarify my inquiry. If we are going to go the 4-3 path, I would like to see the heavy rotation along the front seven that we saw with Jimmy. I am think Craw/Liss at DE. Ware/Wilbur at DE. Lee/Albright/Lemon at MLB. Not saying keep all of them, but why could it not work is more so my question.


With Albright and Wilber at MLB and DE, who is going to play SOLB? Both of those guys look capable of manning that spot, thus lessening the number of holes that have to be filled. That gives us better flexibility in FA and the Draft.

As for Lissemore at DE, I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at it. But, I think he is a better fit at DT.


Not saying they all have to go to those spot. More so asking the opinion of individually if everyone thinks they could fit. Working an my off-season and wanted to add a few wrinkles. How I go with the draft depends on how I shuffle some players around. These three I got hung up the most on. This is more so for my benefit than anything else.


Instead of MLB, I could see Albright being Ware's backup at Weakside DE. He played it in college.


I am actually not a fan of Ware spending the rest of his career at DE. A 43 end tends to wear out at the back end of a season, double so after 10 years in the NFL. He has a knack for shedding blockers, experience playing coverage, and is a quality tackler - I'd be pretty thrilled to see Ware utilized more in hybrid role. Dropping in and out of the end spot to linebacker and back depending on his assignments and the formation.
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There were several things that I learned about this roster last season that will help me when it comes to finding players for this upcoming 2013 NFL Draft. Regardless of the scheme change, this defense is in great hands with Sean Lee and Bruce Carter as the major pieces of it. The scheme calls for an athletic, aware, solid tacking middle linebacker which fits Lee to a tee.

As outstanding as Lee is finding the football, working his way through trash and making tackles, he is even better as a defender in pass coverage. He can play man coverage but has a really nice feel for zone drops and where he needs to fit. His ability to react was put on display several times this season against Tampa on a zone drop, then driving on the ball for an interception. Then against Carolina where the receiver ran a route behind him on third down and he was able to knock the ball loose. Lee will benefit having two defensive linemen in front of him instead of just one. By playing covered, he really has a chance to chase the ball because he will not have to always take on blocks. Leeís ability to read scheme quickly will really help him in this defense both run and pass.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/article-BryanBroaddus/Broaddus-Changing-Schemes-Will-Benefit-Lee-As-Inside-Backer-/560a1e53-8a60-4ab7-9eeb-415df9ad884b?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


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Ware will be just fine in this scheme just like he'd be in any other. He rushed the passer as frequently as most featured pass rushers would have last year and that role won't change much at all in the new scheme.
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The issue is how well the D-staff will be at teaching DE techniques to Ware.
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I'm sure its not completely foreign for ware who played in college and a lot of snaps with his hand in the ground. He will be just as good or better now that he can focus on just rushing the passer.
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The issue is how well the D-staff will be at teaching DE techniques to Ware.


Don't see how thats an issue at all seeing as we now have arguably the best DL coach in the league. I think he'll teach him just fine.
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The issue is how well the D-staff will be at teaching DE techniques to Ware.


Don't see how thats an issue at all seeing as we now have arguably the best DL coach in the league. I think he'll teach him just fine.


I really hope so because Parcells and Cupcake sure didn't.
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The issue is how well the D-staff will be at teaching DE techniques to Ware.


Don't see how thats an issue at all seeing as we now have arguably the best DL coach in the league. I think he'll teach him just fine.


Think Charles Haley. A 3-4 OLB for six seasons before he came to Dallas and transitioned to a 4-3 end. Didn't seem to affect him all that much.
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TVScout wrote:
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The issue is how well the D-staff will be at teaching DE techniques to Ware.


Don't see how thats an issue at all seeing as we now have arguably the best DL coach in the league. I think he'll teach him just fine.


I really hope so because Parcells and Cupcake sure didn't.


Yeah Ware was brutal under them, amazing how much better Rob Ryan made him.
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Kiffinís defenses have typically emphasized speed over size at most positions, and thatís certainly a plus for a Cowboys defense that seems as if it hasnít kept up with the NFLís pass-happy evolution. Still, the truth is that the best defensive coordinators tailor their scheme around their personnel.


http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/article-JonathanBales/RTN-How-Cowboys-Personnel-Fits-Monte-Kiffens-4-3-Defense/bf6245c0-9280-4322-bcbe-73c1d239f819

Really nice breakdown of players and their fit.
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Kiffinís defenses have typically emphasized speed over size at most positions, and thatís certainly a plus for a Cowboys defense that seems as if it hasnít kept up with the NFLís pass-happy evolution. Still, the truth is that the best defensive coordinators tailor their scheme around their personnel.


http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/article-JonathanBales/RTN-How-Cowboys-Personnel-Fits-Monte-Kiffens-4-3-Defense/bf6245c0-9280-4322-bcbe-73c1d239f819

Really nice breakdown of players and their fit.


I've come across that just earlier while browsing there, actually. I rarely go there after I left it, but i'm glad I went today. That is one heck of a good read actually and intended to link it here myself before I saw you beat me to it!

My main concern, despite all of that however, is how Ware will hold up at end in a 43 front. He's battled injuries the last couple seasons, and things get a lot more nitty gritty when you're heads up on the tackle every down.

Beyond that, I also still think you'll limit him from some of the stuff that has made him a HoF'er besides his fancy stat counts: his versatility! he's great at sealing the far edges, and that is VERY important in most cover 2 heavy schemes. He'd be of more use beyond pass rushing, if he can stay healthy, and we played him upright as a backer.
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Dallas94Ware wrote:
htfryar wrote:
Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
htfryar wrote:
Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
I should clarify my inquiry. If we are going to go the 4-3 path, I would like to see the heavy rotation along the front seven that we saw with Jimmy. I am think Craw/Liss at DE. Ware/Wilbur at DE. Lee/Albright/Lemon at MLB. Not saying keep all of them, but why could it not work is more so my question.


With Albright and Wilber at MLB and DE, who is going to play SOLB? Both of those guys look capable of manning that spot, thus lessening the number of holes that have to be filled. That gives us better flexibility in FA and the Draft.

As for Lissemore at DE, I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at it. But, I think he is a better fit at DT.


Not saying they all have to go to those spot. More so asking the opinion of individually if everyone thinks they could fit. Working an my off-season and wanted to add a few wrinkles. How I go with the draft depends on how I shuffle some players around. These three I got hung up the most on. This is more so for my benefit than anything else.


Instead of MLB, I could see Albright being Ware's backup at Weakside DE. He played it in college.


I am actually not a fan of Ware spending the rest of his career at DE. A 43 end tends to wear out at the back end of a season, double so after 10 years in the NFL. He has a knack for shedding blockers, experience playing coverage, and is a quality tackler - I'd be pretty thrilled to see Ware utilized more in hybrid role. Dropping in and out of the end spot to linebacker and back depending on his assignments and the formation.


So you think he'd be better in like the elephant role that Matts mentioned in the OP?
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Yeah, I hope Ware spends the majority of his snaps on the outside shoulder of the OT.
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