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Nextyearfordaboyz


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hoping we don't use this switch as an excuse to ignore our issues on the offensive side of the ball (namely offensive line). We can add a couple of players, but I also think we might need to roll the dice on some guys like Crawford, Wilber, etc.
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Question: I really like Bass and Calloway as players that might not start but contribute in the future. Where would they fit in the 4-3, if at all?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nextyearfordaboyz wrote:
I'm hoping we don't use this switch as an excuse to ignore our issues on the offensive side of the ball (namely offensive line). We can add a couple of players, but I also think we might need to roll the dice on some guys like Crawford, Wilber, etc.


This. I think that's something people lose sight of when they do mock offseasons (and, later, criticize what holes the team didn't fill in the offseason).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt79511 wrote:
Nextyearfordaboyz wrote:
I'm hoping we don't use this switch as an excuse to ignore our issues on the offensive side of the ball (namely offensive line). We can add a couple of players, but I also think we might need to roll the dice on some guys like Crawford, Wilber, etc.


This. I think that's something people lose sight of when they do mock offseasons (and, later, criticize what holes the team didn't fill in the offseason).


I agree completely. If anything, I think the move to the 4-3 can allow us to focus MORE attention to the offensive line early.

Its important to have pass rushing DTs.... Its also important to have guys that can stop them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matts4313 wrote:
matt79511 wrote:
Nextyearfordaboyz wrote:
I'm hoping we don't use this switch as an excuse to ignore our issues on the offensive side of the ball (namely offensive line). We can add a couple of players, but I also think we might need to roll the dice on some guys like Crawford, Wilber, etc.


This. I think that's something people lose sight of when they do mock offseasons (and, later, criticize what holes the team didn't fill in the offseason).


I agree completely. If anything, I think the move to the 4-3 can allow us to focus MORE attention to the offensive line early.

Its important to have pass rushing DTs.... Its also important to have guys that can stop them.


I also hope that the switch will allow us to focus on O-line in the draft, and I mean a Tackle, Guard, and Center in the first two days.
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Matts4313 wrote:
matt79511 wrote:
Nextyearfordaboyz wrote:
I'm hoping we don't use this switch as an excuse to ignore our issues on the offensive side of the ball (namely offensive line). We can add a couple of players, but I also think we might need to roll the dice on some guys like Crawford, Wilber, etc.


This. I think that's something people lose sight of when they do mock offseasons (and, later, criticize what holes the team didn't fill in the offseason).


I agree completely. If anything, I think the move to the 4-3 can allow us to focus MORE attention to the offensive line early.

Its important to have pass rushing DTs.... Its also important to have guys that can stop them.


this.

- I see less needs for us in a 4-3 then in the 3-4. I also think that it might have been a factor in the front office deciding to change scheme.
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Anyone know where orie lemon would fit? With the possibility of connor being cut i feel like lemon could provide greath depth somewhere.
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Do you guys see us using Crawford? Personally I'm not sure we keep ratliff around. Can Hatcher play DT is this system and crawford DE?
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Nextyearfordaboyz


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superfly3176 wrote:
Do you guys see us using Crawford? Personally I'm not sure we keep ratliff around. Can Hatcher play DT is this system and crawford DE?


Hatcher will play DT, Crawford will play DE. How effective they will be is TBD.

Personally, I would roll the dice on Crawford for a year. If he doesn't cut it, then replace him next year.
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Nextyearfordaboyz wrote:
superfly3176 wrote:
Do you guys see us using Crawford? Personally I'm not sure we keep ratliff around. Can Hatcher play DT is this system and crawford DE?


Hatcher will play DT, Crawford will play DE. How effective they will be is TBD.

Personally, I would roll the dice on Crawford for a year. If he doesn't cut it, then replace him next year.


I would aswell unless there's a clear BPA. If Okafor or Ansah falls to our 2nd round pick, we should pick him. If not, I got no problem with giving Crawford a shot. We would still need to look for some depth.. Would like us to draft a DE in one of the later rounds.

- With that said, I wouldn't be to bummed with picking Ansah, or Okafor for that sake, in the 1st. But would rather have Cooper.
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Dboys88-82 wrote:
Anyone know where orie lemon would fit? With the possibility of connor being cut i feel like lemon could provide greath depth somewhere.


Eh, thought he was more of a 3-4 thumper type. Maybe SAM.
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Dboys88-82 wrote:
Anyone know where orie lemon would fit? With the possibility of connor being cut i feel like lemon could provide greath depth somewhere.


He probably would be the best fit at ILB. My guess is that he is to big and doesn't have just as much speed that you would prefer from a OLB in a 4-3. But with Albright on the team, I think his snaps would be very limited depending on if he proves himself capable of being able to play OLB as well.

- I actually believe that Connor will stay on the team as a starter. Unless Te'o falls to us and we pick him..
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nextyearfordaboyz wrote:
I'm hoping we don't use this switch as an excuse to ignore our issues on the offensive side of the ball (namely offensive line). We can add a couple of players, but I also think we might need to roll the dice on some guys like Crawford, Wilber, etc.


Valid point. Assuming we stay at 18 I think we will have our pick of interior offensive linemen. We may even be able to trade back - remember last year how highly rated DeCastro was and he fell to the Steelers in the mid 20's. I view DT as a need given the switch to the 4-3, and the critical need for our D Line to generate pressure in Kiffin's defense. If it came down to DT vs OG at 18 what do you do? Both are big time needs.

I can't and won't attempt to factor in the myriad of potential free agency moves that could impact our draft selection.
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Northland wrote:
Nextyearfordaboyz wrote:
I'm hoping we don't use this switch as an excuse to ignore our issues on the offensive side of the ball (namely offensive line). We can add a couple of players, but I also think we might need to roll the dice on some guys like Crawford, Wilber, etc.


Valid point. Assuming we stay at 18 I think we will have our pick of interior offensive linemen. We may even be able to trade back - remember last year how highly rated DeCastro was and he fell to the Steelers in the mid 20's. I view DT as a need given the switch to the 4-3, and the critical need for our D Line to generate pressure in Kiffin's defense. If it came down to DT vs OG at 18 what do you do? Both are big time needs.

I can't and won't attempt to factor in the myriad of potential free agency moves that could impact our draft selection.


I think it depends on who is there, obviously. I agree completely with the need for a DT, and wouldn't not be opposed at all to drafting one in the first round. I just don't think we can afford to spend pretty much an entire draft helping our team transition to the new defense, like we did in 2005.

I really like Sharrif Floyd and Chance Warmack right now. Probably lean Warmack at this point. Lucky for us, there should be immediate starters at both positions in round 2.
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Revenant04 wrote:
Question: I really like Bass and Calloway as players that might not start but contribute in the future. Where would they fit in the 4-3, if at all?


Calloway probably doesn't fit Kiffn's style of attacking DL. He could have a role as a back up though because of his space eating. Worth having a guy like that in the rotation. Ben Bass is probably a better fit but may suffer from the fact all our DEs and NTs are basically 4-3 DTs now minus maybe Crawford.

Ratliff, Lissemore, Hatcher and I hear rumors they like Spears would prob make up your DTs with little room for any more unless they carry 5 DTs.
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