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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:49 pm    Post subject: HakeemThe Dream's First Giants Offseason Mock of the Year Reply with quote

Giants Mock Offseason
*WARNING: THIS IS A PRETTY LONG THREAD. YOU DON’T NEED TO READ EVERYTHING TO UNDERSTAND*
I decided to put together my rough idea of what I think the Giants will/should do this offseason. Obviously there isn’t a set cap number (although expected be remain around $121 million), and teams haven’t cut or re-signed any players, so this is way too early to really get an understanding of how the offseason will go. My knowledge of this year’s draft class is not that great yet, and this is just my first mock. I will get a better understanding for the prospects once it gets closer to the draft. Anyways, here it is:

Players Re-Signed:
Jim Cordle, C, ERFA (1 year) – compete for a roster spot.
Justin Tryon, CB, UFA (1 year) – although his CB skills are below average, he is an excellent special teams player and will be brought back to at least compete for a roster spot.
Justin Trattou, DE, ERFA (1 year) – compete for a roster spot.
Stevie Brown, S, RFA (1 year) – 2nd round tender given to Stevie after his excellent play this year. He will get another year to prove to the Giants whether he should really be in their long-term plans.
Adrian Tracy, DE, ERFA (1 year) – figures to be in the DE rotation next year.
Keith Rivers, LB, UFA (1 year, $1 million) – after another injury-filled year, Rivers doesn’t have many suitors in the free agent market. He showed flashes of solid play at LB last season, so the Giants bring him back to compete for a starting position.
Kevin Boothe, OG, UFA (2 year, $4 million) – although solid, he doesn’t provide much potential for teams looking for a starting guard. Giants bring him back because of his versatility where he can play both guard and center.
Will Beatty, OT, UFA (5 year, $25 million) – after years of injuries and underwhelming play, Beatty finally stepped up this year, and in a big way. He was undeniably the best offensive linemen on the Giants and a viable protector of Eli Manning’s blindside.
Lawrence Tynes, K, UFA (1 year, $1.25 million) – I’d love to upgrade at kicker, but the free agents don’t leave much to be desired. I really hope the Giants find a young gem like the Vikings did with Blair Walsh last year. It’d be nice to be able to try to kick a FG over 50 yards for once.
David Carr, QB, UFA (1 year, $1.25 million) – Carr knows his role on this team and will gladly serve as the backup QB for Eli.
Andre Brown, RB, RFA (1 year) – 2nd round tender also given to Brown after he stepped in and was arguably the Giants most productive RB this past season.
Kenny Phillips, S, UFA (5 year, $30 million) – contract is back-loaded and incentive ridden based on games played and high performance on the field. Phillips had what was considered at one time to be a degenerative injury in his knee, so this contract is both player and team friendly. Many think the Giants are going to let Phillips go, but I think that would be a huge mistake. He really cleans up the amount of big plays given up in the secondary, which was a huge problem this year. Beginning in 2009, Giants are 28-13 when he plays significant snaps in a game and 12-15 when he isn’t on the field. That is a huge discrepancy. Phillips is a must re-sign IMO.
Bear Pascoe, TE, RFA (1 year) – given the original tender. Given this contract to compete for a roster spot.
Martellus Bennett, TE, UFA (3 year, $9 million) – modest contract as Bennett already inferred he may give NY a hometown discount. This contract would basically be a three year extension to the contract he signed last year. He really stepped up for the team at TE and I think could really do wonders with another season under the system. Giants may have found themselves a TE of the future right here.
Domenik Hixon, WR, UFA (1 year, minimum) – he is right; the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Takes the vet minimum and accepts a role with more special teams plays after Randle takes over the 3rd WR spot.
Victor Cruz, WR, RFA (1 year) – Cruz is given the first round tender for restricted free agents after the Giants and his agent couldn’t come to an agreement. I think this would be a good strategy move for the Giants because then they will have both Cruz and Nicks going into contract years next season. See which, or both, really deserve long term deals. I don’t think Cruz would hold out after getting tendered because this salary will be about 4 times as much as he made in each of the last two seasons.

Notable Players Let Go:
Osi Umenyiora, DE – Everyone knew this was his last year. It was a great ten years.
Rocky Bernard, DT – solid depth, but Giants looking for more youth at DT.
Chase Blackburn, LB – made some great plays this year, but also allowed some big plays too. His second stint with the Giants comes to an end as the Giants look for more speed at LB.
Travis Beckum, TE – 3rd round pick that never really panned out. Doesn’t fit what the Giants look for in TEs as he has always been a suspect blocker.
Ramses Barden, WR – 3rd round pick that never really panned out. Talent is there, just never got it going consistently with the Giants. I think another team gives him a chance and he salvages career elsewhere.
David Diehl, OT – Diehl certainly had his ups and downs with the Giants, but his time has come to an end. His salary for next year is way too much, and I doubt the Giants would bring him back at anything above the vet minimum at this point. Time for a youth movement on the line.
Michael Boley, LB – Due $4 million next season, I am fairly certain his days with the Giants are coming to an end. It was evident late in the season that the Giants chose to play the younger LBs over Boley. He was a valuable piece of the Superbowl defense, but his play was very underwhelming this season.
Terrell Thomas, CB – It is almost a guarantee that the Giants are going to let T2 go this offseason, as they put a clause in the contract for this exact reason. He doesn’t get to see that lucrative contract, BUT the Giants give T2 another chance to redeem himself coming off a 3rd ACL tear. He provides versatility at both CB and S and I would see him landing a reserve role at either spot if he can stay on the field.

Restructuring:
Ahmad Bradshaw, RB - $4 million for an aging back with constant injury problems just isn’t tolerable for the team. Salary should be reduced to about half that. I think his role will be reduced to a change-of-pace, 3rd down, and short yardage back for the Giants. Given maybe 10-15 touches a game depending on the hot hand.
David Baas, C – I think even Baas would tell you that Reese overpaid for the center when he signed him shortly after the lockout. He got his hefty salary these past two seasons, so it’s time he takes a paycut to help the team. Still a solid contributor at center, but he is paid to be one of the best in the game.
Chris Canty, DT – Another Reese free agent signing who is vastly overpaid. He has been the highest paid defensive linemen on the Giants since he arrived, and nobody would tell you he is worth that. His $7 million annual contract is outweighing his production on the field. Also had another injury late in the year, haven’t heard much about that from the team since.
Corey Webster, CB – his play was horrible this year, no other way to put it. He is going into the final year of a back-loaded contract and isn’t worth even half of what he is scheduled to be paid in 2013. I don’t see any way he is on the team next year if he doesn’t restructure. Will be given another chance to redeem himself, but the Giants will be quick to pull the plug on him if this poor play continues.

Free Agent Signings:

Phil Loadholt, OT (5 year, $22 million) – Loadholt is a quality RT who will get forgotten because of a very good OT free agent class (Long, Clady, A. Smith, Albert, Vollmer, Cherilus, and Bushrod). Most of those I mentioned have the ability to play LT, which commands much more money (only 5 RTs average $5 million or more a season). Loadholt is exactly what the Giants are looking for opposite Beatty, a mammoth run blocking RT to open up holes next to Snee. At this salary and young age (26), Loadholt will be a steal for the Giants and play a huge role into rejuvenating the offensive line.



Michael Bennett, DE (3 year, $18 million) – Martellus mentioned that he was going to try to get his brother in big blue, and I think it happens. Giants need another DE to replace Osi, and Bennett could be the future LE if Tuck (1 year left on deal) doesn’t step up his performance next year. Bennett had a solid season, but the pass rushing free agent market is very deep (Avril, Osi, Freeney, M. Johnson, Spencer, S. Phillips).


Richard Seymour, DT (1 year, $3.5 million) – Seymour is looking for another Superbowl run at the tail end of his career. Giants would be the perfect fit for Seymour, as he wouldn’t need to start and should see a lot of single-teams when pass rushing. Fills the Bernard spot of the DT rotation where the Giants have a veteran who is always ready to play significant snaps.


Mike Jenkins, CB (1 year, $2.5 million) – Jenkins has been an afterthought in Dallas this year, and with constant injuries over the last few years, he shouldn’t be expecting a big pay day as a free agent. Giants give Jenkins a chance to redeem himself, much like the Giants gave Martellus Bennett a chance last year. Could be a steal and provide depth or play a major role if Webster’s downfall continues.

Draft:
1. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama

I know that very rarely are interior offensive linemen selected in the first round of the draft, but Warmack is an exception. This three year starter at Alabama is ideal size (6-3, 320 lbs) and ready to start in the NFL from day one. Warmack is a dominant run blocker who also holds his own in pass protection. He continually manhandles opposing defensive players and has no problems moving to the second level. Has some agility issues and may not be able to follow the back on outside runs and screen plays. Many believe he is the best senior offensive linemen in the 2013 draft class. He could start at LG right away and can open holes for the running game for the foreseeable future.

2. Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU

Minter is the unspoken leader of LSU’s defense, and was their most productive player on the field too. Minter is a devastating hitter who excels in stopping the run. He also covers well. An ideal three-down linebacker to plug into the middle of the defense for years. Complete middle linebacker with ideal size (6-2, 245 lbs) who will fit well into a 4-3. He really doesn’t have many blemishes in his game, which could help him get playing time right away. Possible solution at any of the three linebacker spots.

3. Cornelius ‘Tank’ Carradine, DE, FSU

Carradine suffered a torn ACL in November and almost certainly won’t be ready for the start of next season. That may not be as big of a concern for the Giants because they have JPP, Tuck, Kiwi, and Bennett to hold down the defensive end rotation. Carradine was said by some to have first round talent with exceptional burst and athleticism. He recorded 80 tackles (13 for loss) and 11 sacks before his injury during his senior year. At 6-5, 265 lbs, he is perfect size as the future RE on the team. If he can take his time to recover the knee fully, he could be a difference maker as a pass rusher in the future, but not in 2013. Finding first round talent in the middle of the third is always a smart move.

4. Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU

At this point, everyone knows of Mathieu’s problems leading to being kicked off the team. In a recent interview, I could sense that Mathieu was through with his past problems with off the field issues. There is no denying the talent is there, as Mathieu was a Heisman candidate in 2011. Although he lacks in size (5-9, 175 lbs), he plays much bigger. The Giants have a tendency to take risks on players with these issues (Manningham, Hosley, Will Hill) and if they can get Mathieu to stay professional, this will be a steal. Mathieu will be an ideal slot corner, allowing Hosley to go outside where he is more comfortable. Mathieu is an instinctive player who can really do anything Fewell will ask of him. Can also contribute on punt returns. With off field issues and lacking in ideal measurable, Mathieu could slip into the 4th round.

5. Ray Graham, RB, Pittsburgh

Graham had a very promising start in 2011, but it was cut short due to a torn ACL. He recovered enough to play this season, but didn’t look very good for the majority of the year. However, towards the end of the year he finally started to re-gain his pre-injury form. He is a smaller back at 5-9, 195 lbs, and isn’t exceptionally fast, but he is quick and makes people miss. He was being compared to former Pitt alum LeSean McCoy in terms of elusiveness prior to the injury. Could serve well as a change-of-pace back in the NFL and could play special teams. Will compete with Da’Rel Scott for the last RB spot on the roster.

5. (projected Comp. pick for the losses of Aaron Ross and Mario Manningham) Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati

Last year, the Giants drafted “the JPP of Tight Ends” with Adrien Robinson. This year, they go for a more NFL-ready TE prospect in the 5th round: Travis Kelce. Robinson’s teammate at Cincinnati, Kelce is both a solid blocker and reliable receiver. Kelce’s brother plays offensive line for the Eagles. Eli will enjoy this reliable target, especially at 6’6 260 lbs. I can see Kelce taking Pascoe’s role right away.

6. Dustin Hopkins, K, FSU

I usually am against drafting punters or kickers in the draft, but after seeing last year’s rookie kicking class excel in the NFL, I have to make an exception for Hopkins. Tynes is a free agent and has limitations on kickoffs and field goals from long distances. Hopkins would provide upgrades in both categories. Hopkins went 5-6 from 50+ this year, and has gotten consistently better every year in college. Could compete for the job in training camp and win because of his elite kicking strength.

7. Kenny Tate, OLB/SS, Maryland

Tate was once thought of as a top NFL prospect before continuous injuries throughout his collegiate career. At this point, he is an OLB/SS tweener at 6-4, 230 lbs. Many NFL teams would have trouble finding a position for Tate, but the Giants have just the role in their three safety look. Tate could play as the joker safety that Grant and Jacquain Williams have played in the past. If he could stay healthy, he could find a role as a reserve safety and/or linebacker. Seems like his style of play would lead to a solid special teams career, at the least.

Final Thoughts:
After an offseason like of this magnitude, this is how I would see the coaches handling the team’s depth chart and who plays. Quarterback is obviously set. David Wilson will be the starting running back, with Andre Brown serving as the primary backup and Ahmad Bradshaw serving as the 3rd down specialist and change-of-pace back. Ray Graham and Da’Rel Scott compete for the final roster spot. Hynoski will continue to hold down the FB position. At WR, it will be a big year for Cruz and Nicks both playing for lucrative contracts. I expect big years from each of those two starting, barring health. Randle is the primary 3rd WR and fills the Manningham void. Jernigan and Hixon provide WR depth and special teams play. Martellus Bennett remains the starter at TE, with Cincinnati alums Adrien Robinson and Travis Kelce serving as the backups. Kelce should fill the Pascoe role while Robinson should be gameplanned in if he shows he is ready for significant playing time. Beatty returns at LT while newcomer Phil Loadholt commands the RT position. Backup tackles include James Brewer, Brandon Mosley, and possibly Kevin Boothe. Snee returns at RG and rookie first round pick Chance Warmack starts at LG. Backups would be Boothe, Mosley, and Cordle. Baas returns at C with Boothe serving as his primary backup.
As for the defense, Jason Pierre-Paul and Justin Tuck return at RE and LE, respectively. Michael Bennett is the primary backup at both LE and RE. Kiwanuka spends the majority of his time on the defensive line, but still serves as a part-time linebacker on early downs. Tracy and Ojomo battle for the final DE spot. Carradine is placed on the PUP and will either be reinstated mid-way through the year or go on IR for his rookie season. Linval Joseph and Chris Canty return as the starting DTs, with Seymour as the primary backup. Marvin Austin and Marcus Kuhn will compete for the final DT roster spot. Linebacker is where the most shake-up happens. I think Mark Herzlich gets the start at MLB in the beginning of the year but I think Kevin Minter takes over the middle eventually. Minter will begin the year starting on the strong side and have a limited role until the coaches can trust him more, then he transitions to the middle. Jacquain Williams starts on the weak side, with Rivers, Paysinger, and Tate serving as the backup OLBs. This area could be a cause for concern, but I think Williams-Minter-Rivers could be a viable starting trio if healthy. At cornerback, Prince Amukamara is the default #1 corner, and initially Webster starts opposite. If Webster continues the struggle, then the Giants can turn to Hosley or Mike Jenkins. Hosley continues to split time in the slot with Rolle and Will Hill. At safety, Antrel Rolle and Kenny Phillips start, with Stevie Brown as the primary 3rd safety in the defense. Hill and Sash can serve as backups. Mathieu can contribute in the slot, if trusted upon, or as the 3rd safety in a joker role.
And then there were special teams. Steve Weatherford returns as the punter and kick holder. I think Hopkins will beat out Tynes for the kicker position with his big-time leg. DeOssie returns to snap. Wilson and Hixon should remain the KR and PR specialists until there needs to be a change. Not enthused with Wilson starting at RB and KR, but he is too special on KRs to take him out.

So after all that, thoughts?
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I really enjoy your in-depth mock drafts. We always seem to agree on positions to target in the draft.

I yearn for the day we finally take care of the O-Line and Linebackers. One playoff appearance in four years is unacceptable.
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I would lose my stuff if we signed Loadholt Laughing

overall very nice, agree with a bunch of the off season signings/cuts/draft
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I think Kenny Phillips is more likely to go than T2, but we'll see.
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Super bold pick: Marcus Smith OLB to Eagles in the first. I wouldn't bet on it, but if it happens, you heard it here first Wink

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redsoxsuck05 wrote:
I really enjoy your in-depth mock drafts. We always seem to agree on positions to target in the draft.

I yearn for the day we finally take care of the O-Line and Linebackers. One playoff appearance in four years is unacceptable.


Thanks for the words of encouragement. I have a feeling this offseason will be the year we finally focus on the offensive line. With 2 starters set to be free agents and RT being up in the air, I expect to see some new faces. I'm optimistic about it though. Loadholt would remind me of the Kareem McKenzie signing to shore up the RT spot. I guess we just have to wait and see what Reese has in store for us.

Gmen4ev wrote:
I would lose my stuff if we signed Loadholt Laughing

overall very nice, agree with a bunch of the off season signings/cuts/draft


Yeah I think Loadholt would be a great asset for the Giants. He is a great run blocker and could really open up our offense.

jerseyboy257 wrote:
I think Kenny Phillips is more likely to go than T2, but we'll see.


I think that is very possible, as T2 is almost guaranteed to be cut with his contract and would come a lot cheaper. KP is much more important to the defense than T2, however.
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Everything looks good. I like the Michael Bennett signing. I am not a fan much of Seymour signing because of character concerns, but I understand signing him. Mike Jenkins for 1 year, sure why not. Insurance for Corey Webster.

Now for Draft. 1st Round, Warmack, ok I hear good stuff about him. Minter in the second at 19th, I am really finding hard to see, a lot of places have him go mid 1st round. Tank could be a nice pickup if he overcome the ACL tear. Mathieu, nice pick. Ray Graham, looking purely at stats and a few videos, poor man's Lesean Mccoy without much speed maybe? Nice pick up at 5 though I think. Kelce at 5b just looking at again looks pretty interesting. However looking at a few mock drafts and top TE lists this year, I am not sure he will be there at round 5. Kicker at 6th is good. 7th looking at cbssports they say he can be a top-100 pick if healthy. Sure why not for a 7th round pick?

All in all I like it, however not a fan of 3 of our 8 picks having previous injury problems, and some picks may be drafted already. Good though.
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Tehzl wrote:
Everything looks good. I like the Michael Bennett signing. I am not a fan much of Seymour signing because of character concerns, but I understand signing him. Mike Jenkins for 1 year, sure why not. Insurance for Corey Webster.

Now for Draft. 1st Round, Warmack, ok I hear good stuff about him. Minter in the second at 19th, I am really finding hard to see, a lot of places have him go mid 1st round. Tank could be a nice pickup if he overcome the ACL tear. Mathieu, nice pick. Ray Graham, looking purely at stats and a few videos, poor man's Lesean Mccoy without much speed maybe? Nice pick up at 5 though I think. Kelce at 5b just looking at again looks pretty interesting. However looking at a few mock drafts and top TE lists this year, I am not sure he will be there at round 5. Kicker at 6th is good. 7th looking at cbssports they say he can be a top-100 pick if healthy. Sure why not for a 7th round pick?

All in all I like it, however not a fan of 3 of our 8 picks having previous injury problems, and some picks may be drafted already. Good though.


Sorry if I am forgetting something blatant, but what character concerns does Seymour have? As for Minter, I read that the NFL Draft Advisory Board gave him a 3rd round grade. I could see him going anywhere from late 1st into the late 2nd round. Graham is a poor man's McCoy, in my opinion. Doesn't have the breakout speed but his elusiveness is very good. The TE class is very weak, but I don't see Kelce really wow-ing any teams with his athleticism and measurables. I think he will be limited in the NFL to a solid backup TE. Tate has been injury prone his entire collegiate career, I can't see him going in the top 100 even if healthy at this point. He does have top 100 talent however. I noticed the injury concern when reading over the post, but many players who suffered injuries in college never have any ill effects in the NFL. I would be most concerned with Tate's health, followed by Carradine.
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HakeemTheDream wrote:
Tehzl wrote:
Everything looks good. I like the Michael Bennett signing. I am not a fan much of Seymour signing because of character concerns, but I understand signing him. Mike Jenkins for 1 year, sure why not. Insurance for Corey Webster.

Now for Draft. 1st Round, Warmack, ok I hear good stuff about him. Minter in the second at 19th, I am really finding hard to see, a lot of places have him go mid 1st round. Tank could be a nice pickup if he overcome the ACL tear. Mathieu, nice pick. Ray Graham, looking purely at stats and a few videos, poor man's Lesean Mccoy without much speed maybe? Nice pick up at 5 though I think. Kelce at 5b just looking at again looks pretty interesting. However looking at a few mock drafts and top TE lists this year, I am not sure he will be there at round 5. Kicker at 6th is good. 7th looking at cbssports they say he can be a top-100 pick if healthy. Sure why not for a 7th round pick?

All in all I like it, however not a fan of 3 of our 8 picks having previous injury problems, and some picks may be drafted already. Good though.


Sorry if I am forgetting something blatant, but what character concerns does Seymour have? As for Minter, I read that the NFL Draft Advisory Board gave him a 3rd round grade. I could see him going anywhere from late 1st into the late 2nd round. Graham is a poor man's McCoy, in my opinion. Doesn't have the breakout speed but his elusiveness is very good. The TE class is very weak, but I don't see Kelce really wow-ing any teams with his athleticism and measurables. I think he will be limited in the NFL to a solid backup TE. Tate has been injury prone his entire collegiate career, I can't see him going in the top 100 even if healthy at this point. He does have top 100 talent however. I noticed the injury concern when reading over the post, but many players who suffered injuries in college never have any ill effects in the NFL. I would be most concerned with Tate's health, followed by Carradine.


My apologies no character concerns. But yea Minter everywhere is either a 2nd round pick or 1st round pick. Lately I have been seeing him more in the mid 1st round. Even saw him top 15 pick once I think. But yea right now I am almost positive he won't be there at 2nd round 19th.
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HakeemTheDream wrote:
jerseyboy257 wrote:
I think Kenny Phillips is more likely to go than T2, but we'll see.


I think that is very possible, as T2 is almost guaranteed to be cut with his contract and would come a lot cheaper. KP is much more important to the defense than T2, however.


Not sure. I think I might prefer T2/Prince/Brown over Webster/Prince/KP...assuming all are healthy that is. No idea.
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GmenSeattle wrote:
HakeemTheDream wrote:
jerseyboy257 wrote:
I think Kenny Phillips is more likely to go than T2, but we'll see.


I think that is very possible, as T2 is almost guaranteed to be cut with his contract and would come a lot cheaper. KP is much more important to the defense than T2, however.


Not sure. I think I might prefer T2/Prince/Brown over Webster/Prince/KP...assuming all are healthy that is. No idea.

T2 current contract will be terminated, there is no doubt about that

The question is will KP and T2 resign to a very low contract as neither is worth a big contract with their major injury concerns.

The next question is can T2 return to top form at corner after coming from 3 ACL surgeries. If not can he be moved to safety and play at a high enough level. I do not think so.

Secondary (Both CB and Safety), are very important issues as the offseason continues. We must go through the offseason as if T2 and KP will both not be on our roster in September meaning we either need to use a high draft pick on both positions or sign a serviceable player.
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GmenSeattle wrote:
HakeemTheDream wrote:
jerseyboy257 wrote:
I think Kenny Phillips is more likely to go than T2, but we'll see.


I think that is very possible, as T2 is almost guaranteed to be cut with his contract and would come a lot cheaper. KP is much more important to the defense than T2, however.


Not sure. I think I might prefer T2/Prince/Brown over Webster/Prince/KP...assuming all are healthy that is. No idea.


I see T2 as a given to be released at his current contract and Brown will almost guaranteed to be back with the Giants as he is a restricted free agent. The Giants will definitely tag Brown with either the 2nd or 1st round tender. If a team wants to sign him to a lucrative contract and give us a valuable draft pick, then go ahead.

I don't think it is a matter of which one will the Giants retain out of KP and Stevie. KP is going to get a multi-year, starter's caliber contract from some team. It needs to be the Giants. He is arguably the most important part of the defense besides the D-Line. Losing KP would be an absolute killer to this team. I don't know if he will be back, he hasn't sounded optimistic, but the Giants NEED to make him a priority.

And I'm a big fan of T2, but the Giants can rely on him to be a key part of the defense with those major health concerns. I'm all for bringing him back on a team-friendly contract, but the Giants can't afford to rely on him being a starter like they have in years past.
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HakeemTheDream wrote:
GmenSeattle wrote:
HakeemTheDream wrote:
jerseyboy257 wrote:
I think Kenny Phillips is more likely to go than T2, but we'll see.


I think that is very possible, as T2 is almost guaranteed to be cut with his contract and would come a lot cheaper. KP is much more important to the defense than T2, however.


Not sure. I think I might prefer T2/Prince/Brown over Webster/Prince/KP...assuming all are healthy that is. No idea.


I see T2 as a given to be released at his current contract and Brown will almost guaranteed to be back with the Giants as he is a restricted free agent. The Giants will definitely tag Brown with either the 2nd or 1st round tender. If a team wants to sign him to a lucrative contract and give us a valuable draft pick, then go ahead.

I don't think it is a matter of which one will the Giants retain out of KP and Stevie. KP is going to get a multi-year, starter's caliber contract from some team. It needs to be the Giants. He is arguably the most important part of the defense besides the D-Line. Losing KP would be an absolute killer to this team. I don't know if he will be back, he hasn't sounded optimistic, but the Giants NEED to make him a priority.

And I'm a big fan of T2, but the Giants can rely on him to be a key part of the defense with those major health concerns. I'm all for bringing him back on a team-friendly contract, but the Giants can't afford to rely on him being a starter like they have in years past.


I'm not sure if either player will get much interest on the market given their health concerns. Also every offseason someone ends up making a big deal out of a player and how badly we need them and (basically) every year said player gets to walk because the GM knows better than we do Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GmenSeattle wrote:

I'm not sure if either player will get much interest on the market given their health concerns. Also every offseason someone ends up making a big deal out of a player and how badly we need them and (basically) every year said player gets to walk because the GM knows better than we do Razz


I just don't see which of the top 3 FAs (KP, Beatty, MartyB) the Giants can truly afford to lose. Sure, the Giants defense didn't collapse without KP, but the amount of big plays given up without him on the field ultimately cost the Giants a chance to repeat. The defense could not get teams off the field on 3rd down and continually let receivers get open deep down field. That spells disaster. I think the KP deserves up to $5.5 million annually for his play thus far in his career. Anything more than that is a team overpaying for a position without many great players. KP definitely deserves to be paid more than Rolle, but nothing we can do about that Laughing

As for Beatty, the Giants would be crazy to not bring him back. After years of developing him, he finally came through and played to his potential. Considering how bad the offensive line is now, losing Beatty would spell disaster for Eli and the offense for next year. He did a sound job in pass protection and his run blocking was much better than I ever expected in his career.

MartyB, on the other hand, could very well be that player that fans believe they need to keep but Reese ultimately lets him go. Not because he isn't as good as many believe, but because the Giants never put tons of resources into the TE position. I think Bennett returns because he said he would take a hometown discount, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see him on another team next year. The Giants just really have nobody to turn to at TE if Bennett does leave (Pascoe is FA, Robinson is not ready for be a starter... yet).
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I'm not a big college football guy, so I can't speak about the prospects you mocked to us, but I would do cartwheels and backflips if the rest of your offseason happened. Absolutely love it.

Completely, totally, 100% agree about Phillips. Second most important player on the D behind JPP in my opinion. They cannot let KP walk over money. If they are concerned about the long term stability of his knee, that's one thing; he is EASILY worth what you gave him, and I'd be upset if they let him walk over money.
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Completely, totally, 100% agree about Phillips. Second most important player on the D behind JPP in my opinion. They cannot let KP walk over money. If they are concerned about the long term stability of his knee, that's one thing; he is EASILY worth what you gave him, and I'd be upset if they let him walk over money.


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