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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Maybe it's just me but if we get Horton my confidence in Chud will sky rocket. Going to be hard screwing up with two great coordinators


Completely agree.

Surround him with veteran good coordinators and let him worry about coach stuff rather than being overwhelmed.
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Maybe it's just me but if we get Horton my confidence in Chud will sky rocket. Going to be hard screwing up with two great coordinators


Lombardi can handle that part of it! Brick wall d'oh!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
ReggieCamp wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
what is bad about Horton is that he wants a HC job, and the Cleveland DC job is just a backup plan at best. He will bounce and leave at his first opportunity...

And that will only happen if he does a good job for us.

I will take that right now and not think twice about it.


here here Reggie, great point!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReggieCamp wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
what is bad about Horton is that he wants a HC job, and the Cleveland DC job is just a backup plan at best. He will bounce and leave at his first opportunity...

And that will only happen if he does a good job for us.

I will take that right now and not think twice about it.


ok Horton comes in and he does a great job of helping the Browns transition from the 4/3 to the 3/4...He does such a great job that he leaves for a HC position...now what happens to the Browns tho. Yea he looked good helping the browns defense grow but him leaving just stunted the growth or completely killed it because than we either go back to the 4/3 or we get a lesser 3/4 DC and turns what Horton ever did into crap.

I would want security. If Horton looks good as his first year in Cleveland an Organzation will use that as a selling point to hire him and the Browns defense is suck in Limbo on their defense again
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buno67 wrote:
ReggieCamp wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
what is bad about Horton is that he wants a HC job, and the Cleveland DC job is just a backup plan at best. He will bounce and leave at his first opportunity...

And that will only happen if he does a good job for us.

I will take that right now and not think twice about it.


ok Horton comes in and he does a great job of helping the Browns transition from the 4/3 to the 3/4...He does such a great job that he leaves for a HC position...now what happens to the Browns tho. Yea he looked good helping the browns defense grow but him leaving just stunted the growth or completely killed it because than we either go back to the 4/3 or we get a lesser 3/4 DC and turns what Horton ever did into crap.

I would want security. If Horton looks good as his first year in Cleveland an Organzation will use that as a selling point to hire him and the Browns defense is suck in Limbo on their defense again

So you're saying that Horton is a lesser candidate because he might leave for a HC job.

That's fine to have that as a criteria to choose for your DC, but it's not one of my criteria. Great coaches have a way of spreading their greatness to the coaches underneath them. Baltimore, New England, and Pittsburgh have been doing it for years.

Give me the best guy, and he'll not only do a great job, but he'll improve the guys that work for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReggieCamp wrote:
buno67 wrote:
ReggieCamp wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
what is bad about Horton is that he wants a HC job, and the Cleveland DC job is just a backup plan at best. He will bounce and leave at his first opportunity...

And that will only happen if he does a good job for us.

I will take that right now and not think twice about it.


ok Horton comes in and he does a great job of helping the Browns transition from the 4/3 to the 3/4...He does such a great job that he leaves for a HC position...now what happens to the Browns tho. Yea he looked good helping the browns defense grow but him leaving just stunted the growth or completely killed it because than we either go back to the 4/3 or we get a lesser 3/4 DC and turns what Horton ever did into crap.

I would want security. If Horton looks good as his first year in Cleveland an Organzation will use that as a selling point to hire him and the Browns defense is suck in Limbo on their defense again

So you're saying that Horton is a lesser candidate because he might leave for a HC job.

That's fine to have that as a criteria to choose for your DC, but it's not one of my criteria. Great coaches have a way of spreading their greatness to the coaches underneath them. Baltimore, New England, and Pittsburgh have been doing it for years.

Give me the best guy, and he'll not only do a great job, but he'll improve the guys that work for him.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReggieCamp wrote:
buno67 wrote:
ReggieCamp wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
what is bad about Horton is that he wants a HC job, and the Cleveland DC job is just a backup plan at best. He will bounce and leave at his first opportunity...

And that will only happen if he does a good job for us.

I will take that right now and not think twice about it.


ok Horton comes in and he does a great job of helping the Browns transition from the 4/3 to the 3/4...He does such a great job that he leaves for a HC position...now what happens to the Browns tho. Yea he looked good helping the browns defense grow but him leaving just stunted the growth or completely killed it because than we either go back to the 4/3 or we get a lesser 3/4 DC and turns what Horton ever did into crap.

I would want security. If Horton looks good as his first year in Cleveland an Organzation will use that as a selling point to hire him and the Browns defense is suck in Limbo on their defense again

So you're saying that Horton is a lesser candidate because he might leave for a HC job.

That's fine to have that as a criteria to choose for your DC, but it's not one of my criteria. Great coaches have a way of spreading their greatness to the coaches underneath them. Baltimore, New England, and Pittsburgh have been doing it for years.

Give me the best guy, and he'll not only do a great job, but he'll improve the guys that work for him.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReggieCamp wrote:
buno67 wrote:
ReggieCamp wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
what is bad about Horton is that he wants a HC job, and the Cleveland DC job is just a backup plan at best. He will bounce and leave at his first opportunity...

And that will only happen if he does a good job for us.

I will take that right now and not think twice about it.


ok Horton comes in and he does a great job of helping the Browns transition from the 4/3 to the 3/4...He does such a great job that he leaves for a HC position...now what happens to the Browns tho. Yea he looked good helping the browns defense grow but him leaving just stunted the growth or completely killed it because than we either go back to the 4/3 or we get a lesser 3/4 DC and turns what Horton ever did into crap.

I would want security. If Horton looks good as his first year in Cleveland an Organzation will use that as a selling point to hire him and the Browns defense is suck in Limbo on their defense again

So you're saying that Horton is a lesser candidate because he might leave for a HC job.

That's fine to have that as a criteria to choose for your DC, but it's not one of my criteria. Great coaches have a way of spreading their greatness to the coaches underneath them. Baltimore, New England, and Pittsburgh have been doing it for years.

Give me the best guy, and he'll not only do a great job, but he'll improve the guys that work for him.


Ive done plenty of hiring for various businesses, plus been on a board for hiring coaches as well, and if I knew that a person was using my job as a stepping stone and would be quickly to move somewhere else I wold absolutely consider that negative. Plus, if I knew that they did NOT truly WANT the job I was offering and was only taking as a last option I would be even less inclined to hire that person.

Im not saying Horton might not do a great job in the very short term, but if Im the person hiring Im not looking for a very short term solution.
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Dropkick_pride wrote:
Ive done plenty of hiring for various businesses, plus been on a board for hiring coaches as well, and if I knew that a person was using my job as a stepping stone and would be quickly to move somewhere else I wold absolutely consider that negative. Plus, if I knew that they did NOT truly WANT the job I was offering and was only taking as a last option I would be even less inclined to hire that person.

Im not saying Horton might not do a great job in the very short term, but if Im the person hiring Im not looking for a very short term solution.

I would do the same thing, but this is the NFL. Every coordinator out there is looking for a HC gig. And the only way you get there is by doing a great job. This is coaching at the highest level, and there aren't very many options out there, so I personally wouldn't use it as a criteria to fill this particular opening.
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ReggieCamp wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
Ive done plenty of hiring for various businesses, plus been on a board for hiring coaches as well, and if I knew that a person was using my job as a stepping stone and would be quickly to move somewhere else I wold absolutely consider that negative. Plus, if I knew that they did NOT truly WANT the job I was offering and was only taking as a last option I would be even less inclined to hire that person.

Im not saying Horton might not do a great job in the very short term, but if Im the person hiring Im not looking for a very short term solution.

I would do the same thing, but this is the NFL. Every coordinator out there is looking for a HC gig. And the only way you get there is by doing a great job. This is coaching at the highest level, and there aren't very many options out there, so I personally wouldn't use it as a criteria to fill this particular opening.



From all the talk from Haslem from the Chud hire and now the Lombardi hire,
-- I dont think Halsem is into hiring short term coaches.
-- I think Halsem is looking to hire coaches that WANT to coach in Cleveland.

Horton looks to be one the top available DCs, but their are other DCs out there that could potentially do just as good of a job with the defense and would want to stay with the Browns.

--- people may hate lombardi but at least he wants to be here... cant say the same for horton.
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ReggieCamp wrote:
buno67 wrote:
ReggieCamp wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
what is bad about Horton is that he wants a HC job, and the Cleveland DC job is just a backup plan at best. He will bounce and leave at his first opportunity...

And that will only happen if he does a good job for us.

I will take that right now and not think twice about it.


ok Horton comes in and he does a great job of helping the Browns transition from the 4/3 to the 3/4...He does such a great job that he leaves for a HC position...now what happens to the Browns tho. Yea he looked good helping the browns defense grow but him leaving just stunted the growth or completely killed it because than we either go back to the 4/3 or we get a lesser 3/4 DC and turns what Horton ever did into crap.

I would want security. If Horton looks good as his first year in Cleveland an Organzation will use that as a selling point to hire him and the Browns defense is suck in Limbo on their defense again

So you're saying that Horton is a lesser candidate because he might leave for a HC job.

That's fine to have that as a criteria to choose for your DC, but it's not one of my criteria. Great coaches have a way of spreading their greatness to the coaches underneath them. Baltimore, New England, and Pittsburgh have been doing it for years.

Give me the best guy, and he'll not only do a great job, but he'll improve the guys that work for him.


see thats the only draw back for me from hiring Horton. I would love to have a DC like him, Im just afraid what coulld happen to this team if he leaves after a year. If we were able to get like 3years out of him I would be find because by than the defense could be together that someone that learned under him would be able to pick up where he left off but I dont know if I could see that happening after one year.

another thing to look at is...is he truly that great of a DC or coach...hasnt gotten a HC job even tho ppl were calling him one of hottest candidates and might not be asked back to coach a defense that he created and etc. It does show some areas of concerned

to me I just hate moving to the 3/4
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Plus, every job that Horton interviewed for (like the Browns HC and the Cardinals HC) he was passed over for other people. He was even linked to the Cowboys DC position, but thats now been filled as well.

Are the Browns the "primary" landing spot for Horton only because its one of the last DC jobs open? Many teams with DC openings didnt even consider him apparently...

screw that....
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Dropkick_pride wrote:
Plus, every job that Horton interviewed for (like the Browns HC and the Cardinals HC) he was passed over for other people. He was even linked to the Cowboys DC position, but thats now been filled as well.

Are the Browns the "primary" landing spot for Horton only because its one of the last DC jobs open? Many teams with DC openings didnt even consider him apparently...

screw that....


yeah i like the idea of him...like mel tucker more but just trying to play devils advocate
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If you look at AZ's defense, there is no reason not to want the guy.
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nugpimpen wrote:
If you look at AZ's defense, there is no reason not to want the guy.
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