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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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by your definition (but i know you are kidding...) we couldn't post anything about football players, because they are of the male sex.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think Rob Ryan only gets job is because his name, you are fairly ignorant and just looking at the numbers...

The Cowboys defense was TERRIBLE before he got there, the numbers are actually a huge improvement, and the defense was one of the top defenses in the league until injuries derailed them, but even then the numbers are skewed by a few bad games.

Another reason why the numbers aren't great is because Ryan tends to play conservative when they are winning or losing by a substantial amount, so he will let up points and yards when it doesn't matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lionslicer wrote:
If you think Rob Ryan only gets job is because his name, you are fairly ignorant and just looking at the numbers...

The Cowboys defense was TERRIBLE before he got there, the numbers are actually a huge improvement, and the defense was one of the top defenses in the league until injuries derailed them, but even then the numbers are skewed by a few bad games.

Another reason why the numbers aren't great is because Ryan tends to play conservative when they are winning or losing by a substantial amount, so he will let up points and yards when it doesn't matter.


Yeah, honestly idk where he gets a bad rap from, he's a solid D coordinator that inherited a trainwreck of a Dallas defense with like 1-3 good players on it. I'd take him in Baltimore in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't surprise me. I personally always thought he was overrated and lived off his last name. Phillips was HC and they had a better Defense when Phillips was there and then Phillips leaves to go to Houston and makes that one of the best defenses in the NFL instintaneously.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
Yeah, honestly idk where he gets a bad rap from, he's a solid D coordinator that inherited a trainwreck of a Dallas defense with like 1-3 good players on it. I'd take him in Baltimore in a heartbeat.


Have you ever looked into to?

Rob Ryan has never coached a team that was top 10 in Points allowed
Rob Ryan has coached 1 team that was top 10 in yards allowed - 2006 Raiders

The average ranking for a Rob Ryan defense:

22 in the league in yards
22 in the league in points

Would you consider that solid?
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Dude.. they are TWIN brothers... Laughing Laughing


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


yeah, that's what I said.

you think being twins makes them the same? Only if they're identical, which they aren't.

but I had to look up whether they were or. hence why I find it interesting.
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I don't agree with this move.


Well we want to switch to a 4-3 and this especially means that we are letting Anthony Spencer go in FA so he should be the most sought out defensive player in Free Agency this offseason.



Ummmm...Come again? Laughing
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baconrad3 wrote:
canadaluvsdalla wrote:
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I don't agree with this move.


Well we want to switch to a 4-3 and this especially means that we are letting Anthony Spencer go in FA so he should be the most sought out defensive player in Free Agency this offseason.



Ummmm...Come again? Laughing


Whats so funny? He had a career year , and was basically our defensive MVP
for the year. Had double digit sacks and when he wasn't in the line-up our Run-D suffered greatly.

If Mario Williams got paid like he did in buffalo after being out a year with injury. I don't see why Anthony Spencer won't. We all know Free Agency is basically a race of who overpays for talent that isn't necessarily justified for that paycheck.
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If Dallas switches to a 4-3, what will their front seven look like?

I'm assuming

Spencer/Lee/Carter at linebacker, and obviously Ware at end and Ratliff at UT, but what about the other two spots on the line?


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renndawg37 wrote:
If Dallas switches to a 3-4, what will their front seven look like?

I'm assuming

Spencer/Lee/Carter at linebacker, and obviously Ware at end and Ratliff at UT, but what about the other two spots on the line?


Spears at DT, and I dunno who would be at RDE.
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Some of you are absolutely trolling. Here are some facts:

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But the popular belief that Romo usually fades in the fourth quarter is just foolish.

Fact: Romo has the highest fourth-quarter passer rating among active quarterbacks. And itís not even close. His 102.1 rating is more than five points higher than the second man on the list, Green Bayís Aaron Rodgers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4696976/do-stats-lie-no-qb-better-than-tony-romo-in-fourth-quarter


in 5 of our 8 losses last year, we were tied or in the lead when Romo last stepped off the field.

Romo became 1 of the only QBs in NFL history to throw for 300+, 4 TDs, not turn the ball over once, and still lost the game.

Even when Romo plays great, he does not enjoy the same success as other QBs due to poor defensive play. Here is a comparison:

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Games with a 100-plus rating:

Romo 37-11
Cutler 25-1
Ryan 32-1
Brady 79-5.

No one cares about his overall 4th Qtr stats or what he does in week 12 or 13 against the Browns. Whether it's fair or not, he will ultimately be judged on how he performs in win-or-go-home games and whether he can avoid those big mistakes at critical times.

For the record, I think he's a top 10 QB and I'd love to have him on my team, but the only way he's going to shut everyone up is if he performs well in late December and January.
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For everyone questioning the move:


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It is about time people realised that Ryan is not a very good DC.
Yes he is only an average DC.Everyone seems to want to make excuses for the situation he was put in but in his career for it not once to have worked for him says to me more about him than about his situations.
The cream always rises to the top but funnily enough Ryan has never been near the top.
Has he ever been head hunted by a team looking for a DC because if he is as good as people on here like to think then I'm pretty sure he would always be in demand.
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Keleth wrote:
It is about time people realised that Ryan is not a very good DC.
Yes he is only an average DC.Everyone seems to want to make excuses for the situation he was put in but in his career for it not once to have worked for him says to me more about him than about his situations.
The cream always rises to the top but funnily enough Ryan has never been near the top.
Has he ever been head hunted by a team looking for a DC because if he is as good as people on here like to think then I'm pretty sure he would always be in demand.


I agree. Mike Nolan's defenses continually seem to rise to the top. Phillips is another guy. Rob Ryan's defenses never rose to the top. Instead, they either were stuck in the middle or sunk to the bottom. No clue why people think he's a good DC or make excuses for him.
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