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DJ_Fka


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adub will take a paycut to stay with the team, bet ya this happens.

Retires a cardinal lifer after 2013
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
khodder wrote:
Not sure how much has been taken into account, but we had $11M of dead money on our cap in 2012, none of that is there in 2013.

On Kolb, not a lot. 2011 signing bonus has 6M left to hit the cap and he has 5.6M worth of option bonus to hit the cap 2013 onwards.

We would save about $3.30M from cutting Kolb. Would get the same effect from cutting Doucet and King.


Which is why you don't cut him, you restructure him (Especially since Bidwill reportedly wants him here). Strip his salary, make him waive the roster bonus and roll a portion of the option bonus back another year. The bonus prorated is still small enough to where cutting him in 2014 doesn't hurt, depending on much of his salary you slice and you save a whole lot more. We could save 7-8 mill easy and he's still on the roster.


Why will he do this? Wouldn't he be better off joining Reid in KC, or going back to Philly, maybe the jets? hell if he is cut, he may get another signing bonus.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

patman wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
khodder wrote:
Not sure how much has been taken into account, but we had $11M of dead money on our cap in 2012, none of that is there in 2013.

On Kolb, not a lot. 2011 signing bonus has 6M left to hit the cap and he has 5.6M worth of option bonus to hit the cap 2013 onwards.

We would save about $3.30M from cutting Kolb. Would get the same effect from cutting Doucet and King.


Which is why you don't cut him, you restructure him (Especially since Bidwill reportedly wants him here). Strip his salary, make him waive the roster bonus and roll a portion of the option bonus back another year. The bonus prorated is still small enough to where cutting him in 2014 doesn't hurt, depending on much of his salary you slice and you save a whole lot more. We could save 7-8 mill easy and he's still on the roster.


Why will he do this? Wouldn't he be better off joining Reid in KC, or going back to Philly, maybe the jets? hell if he is cut, he may get another signing bonus.



With his history, the only team besides us I could see him with is KC because of Reid. I doubt another team would take a flyer on him. Philly stays with Foles or drafts one for the new HC and I think Jets go hard after Smith or another vet. KC owes a lot to Cassell too right?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

love2theOLINE wrote:
patman wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
khodder wrote:
Not sure how much has been taken into account, but we had $11M of dead money on our cap in 2012, none of that is there in 2013.

On Kolb, not a lot. 2011 signing bonus has 6M left to hit the cap and he has 5.6M worth of option bonus to hit the cap 2013 onwards.

We would save about $3.30M from cutting Kolb. Would get the same effect from cutting Doucet and King.


Which is why you don't cut him, you restructure him (Especially since Bidwill reportedly wants him here). Strip his salary, make him waive the roster bonus and roll a portion of the option bonus back another year. The bonus prorated is still small enough to where cutting him in 2014 doesn't hurt, depending on much of his salary you slice and you save a whole lot more. We could save 7-8 mill easy and he's still on the roster.


Why will he do this? Wouldn't he be better off joining Reid in KC, or going back to Philly, maybe the jets? hell if he is cut, he may get another signing bonus.



With his history, the only team besides us I could see him with is KC because of Reid. I doubt another team would take a flyer on him. Philly stays with Foles or drafts one for the new HC and I think Jets go hard after Smith or another vet. KC owes a lot to Cassell too right?


Correct on all points.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For anyone still interested in paying big money to Jake Long...

Matt Miller‏@nfldraftscout

Warning to #Dolphins fans; My grade on Jake Long is not kind this year. He was in the bottom 10 in terms of pass and run blocking.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side note here.

Cutting Levi Brown would cost us $5.6 mil in cap space

He got a $7 mil bonus and a 5 year deal, so that is the prorata amount left.

if he keep him he costs $6.4 including workout bonus.

Swings and roundabouts there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're on the hook for half of the workout bonus prorated as well. I'm 90% sure of this, still waiting for confirmation.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
We're on the hook for half of the workout bonus prorated as well. I'm 90% sure of this, still waiting for confirmation.


So chances he comes back...?
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DirtyDez wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
We're on the hook for half of the workout bonus prorated as well. I'm 90% sure of this, still waiting for confirmation.


So chances he comes back...?


I think that questions better left decided after we figure out what OL coach is coming in and the scheme being brought as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iRobot wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
We're on the hook for half of the workout bonus prorated as well. I'm 90% sure of this, still waiting for confirmation.


So chances he comes back...?


I think that questions better left decided after we figure out what OL coach is coming in and the scheme being brought as well.


Well there's 2-3 choices... I'm guessing he's a goner if it's Bevell. As someone previously stayed none of our OL have roster/workout bonus' before the draft so we can keep them around till after the draft. If they explore keeping Levi he'll have to workout for them to show his arm is okay.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZBS is here. So Levi a goner?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is so gone
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indianapolis Colts Bruce Arians Man/Power


What makes you think we're now a ZBS OL??
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iRobot wrote:
Indianapolis Colts Bruce Arians Man/Power


What makes you think we're now a ZBS OL??


Heard MJ talking about it earlier. Go to the 36.00 minute mark (near the very end) on hour 3 and he talks about it briefly...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jurecki definitely says it there but I don't where he got it from. Never heard Arians say he was running a ZBS and I don't believe did it last year.
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