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DirtyDez
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| DJ_Fka wrote: | At least till after the draft
Cannot show your hand to early
Also you don't get paid till August, so no harm done |
Good to know. A lot of people are expecting a mass exodus of lineman right away but it gives us options to wait. I assume they'll tell Stew-Brad to get lost, though.
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stchamp98
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| DirtyDez wrote: | | DJ_Fka wrote: | At least till after the draft
Cannot show your hand to early
Also you don't get paid till August, so no harm done |
Good to know. A lot of people are expecting a mass exodus of lineman right away but it gives us options to wait. I assume they'll tell Stew-Brad to get lost, though. |
Bradley, Early, King should be released almost immediately, Skelton should too. Saves a decent chunk of change and the cost is little to the on-field product.
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apollo14000
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | DirtyDez wrote: | | DJ_Fka wrote: | At least till after the draft
Cannot show your hand to early
Also you don't get paid till August, so no harm done |
Good to know. A lot of people are expecting a mass exodus of lineman right away but it gives us options to wait. I assume they'll tell Stew-Brad to get lost, though. |
Bradley, Early, King should be released almost immediately, Skelton should too. Saves a decent chunk of change and the cost is little to the on-field product. |
Agreed on all those guys.
Next on the chopping/trade/restructure block are:
Kevin Kolb
Levi Brown
Adam Snyder
Beanie Wells
Kerry Rhodes- restructure only
Something must be done with those guys. And then you have guys like Darnell Dockett and Adrian Wilson whose futures are up in the air for various reasons. |
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stchamp98
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Dockett's the big one. Cutting/trading him would really hit us and I also believe he won't restructure. Very money hungry guy who fought and whined and cried to get the extension he's playing on now. And after the whole spit incident/fine? I don't think he's working with us anytime soon. Do we take the hit and just rid ourselves of the guy or do we try and patch things up? That's the question.
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khodder
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | Dockett's the big one. Cutting/trading him would really hit us and I also believe he won't restructure. Very money hungry guy who fought and whined and cried to get the extension he's playing on now. And after the whole spit incident/fine? I don't think he's working with us anytime soon. Do we take the hit and just rid ourselves of the guy or do we try and patch things up? That's the question. |
I think he does more for the team here than he does elsewhere. Especially as it will cost us cap room to get rid of him.
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iRobot
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | Dockett's the big one. Cutting/trading him would really hit us and I also believe he won't restructure. Very money hungry guy who fought and whined and cried to get the extension he's playing on now. And after the whole spit incident/fine? I don't think he's working with us anytime soon. Do we take the hit and just rid ourselves of the guy or do we try and patch things up? That's the question. |
It would cost the Cardinals $13.45M in dead money (cap space) to cut or trade D. Dockett http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/darnell-dockett/ |
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stchamp98
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I don't see how you're getting to that number.
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iRobot
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | I don't see how you're getting to that number. |
Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received. |
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iRobot
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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/yearly/
If you arranged the list by 2013-2014 and by highest salary first (i dont think it's including any bonuses for the year etc.)
Need to restructure Kolb, Fitzgerald, drop Bradley, restructure Dockett, restructure Snyder, make a decision on A-Dub, extend Rhodes, drop Doucet, extend Peterson if he's eligible. |
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khodder
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| iRobot wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | I don't see how you're getting to that number. |
Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received. |
I was under the impression that guaranteed salary is picked up by a team if we trade him. We only have to accelerate monies already paid, which is the $15M option bonus, of which $9M still needs to hit the cap.
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stchamp98
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| iRobot wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | I don't see how you're getting to that number. |
Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received. |
The owner of the site is incorrect.
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stchamp98
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| khodder wrote: | | iRobot wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | I don't see how you're getting to that number. |
Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received. |
I was under the impression that guaranteed salary is picked up by a team if we trade him. We only have to accelerate monies already paid, which is the $15M option bonus, of which $9M still needs to hit the cap. |
Doesn't matter either way, Darnell's been paid out nearly 28 million of this deal in cash.
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khodder
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | iRobot wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | I don't see how you're getting to that number. |
Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received. |
I was under the impression that guaranteed salary is picked up by a team if we trade him. We only have to accelerate monies already paid, which is the $15M option bonus, of which $9M still needs to hit the cap. |
Doesn't matter either way, Darnell's been paid out nearly 28 million of this deal in cash. |
So we are still sitting at the $9M number to hit the cap via his bonus?
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stchamp98
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| khodder wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | iRobot wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | I don't see how you're getting to that number. |
Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received. |
I was under the impression that guaranteed salary is picked up by a team if we trade him. We only have to accelerate monies already paid, which is the $15M option bonus, of which $9M still needs to hit the cap. |
Doesn't matter either way, Darnell's been paid out nearly 28 million of this deal in cash. |
So we are still sitting at the $9M number to hit the cap via his bonus? |
Yes. The workout bonus is tricky though, as the new CBA put in revisions that force us to pay I believe 50% of anything contractual over 100K. I'd have to confirm that but I believe we're on the hook for half of that 250K as well.
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