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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At least till after the draft

Cannot show your hand to early

Also you don't get paid till August, so no harm done


Good to know. A lot of people are expecting a mass exodus of lineman right away but it gives us options to wait. I assume they'll tell Stew-Brad to get lost, though.
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It would be number 2 on Keim's to do list, behind hire ray Horton
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
DJ_Fka wrote:
At least till after the draft

Cannot show your hand to early

Also you don't get paid till August, so no harm done


Good to know. A lot of people are expecting a mass exodus of lineman right away but it gives us options to wait. I assume they'll tell Stew-Brad to get lost, though.


Bradley, Early, King should be released almost immediately, Skelton should too. Saves a decent chunk of change and the cost is little to the on-field product.
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stchamp98 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
DJ_Fka wrote:
At least till after the draft

Cannot show your hand to early

Also you don't get paid till August, so no harm done


Good to know. A lot of people are expecting a mass exodus of lineman right away but it gives us options to wait. I assume they'll tell Stew-Brad to get lost, though.


Bradley, Early, King should be released almost immediately, Skelton should too. Saves a decent chunk of change and the cost is little to the on-field product.


Agreed on all those guys.

Next on the chopping/trade/restructure block are:

Kevin Kolb
Levi Brown
Adam Snyder
Beanie Wells
Kerry Rhodes- restructure only

Something must be done with those guys. And then you have guys like Darnell Dockett and Adrian Wilson whose futures are up in the air for various reasons.
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Dockett's the big one. Cutting/trading him would really hit us and I also believe he won't restructure. Very money hungry guy who fought and whined and cried to get the extension he's playing on now. And after the whole spit incident/fine? I don't think he's working with us anytime soon. Do we take the hit and just rid ourselves of the guy or do we try and patch things up? That's the question.
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Dockett's the big one. Cutting/trading him would really hit us and I also believe he won't restructure. Very money hungry guy who fought and whined and cried to get the extension he's playing on now. And after the whole spit incident/fine? I don't think he's working with us anytime soon. Do we take the hit and just rid ourselves of the guy or do we try and patch things up? That's the question.


I think he does more for the team here than he does elsewhere. Especially as it will cost us cap room to get rid of him.
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stchamp98 wrote:
Dockett's the big one. Cutting/trading him would really hit us and I also believe he won't restructure. Very money hungry guy who fought and whined and cried to get the extension he's playing on now. And after the whole spit incident/fine? I don't think he's working with us anytime soon. Do we take the hit and just rid ourselves of the guy or do we try and patch things up? That's the question.



It would cost the Cardinals $13.45M in dead money (cap space) to cut or trade D. Dockett http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/darnell-dockett/
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I don't see how you're getting to that number.
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I don't see how you're getting to that number.


Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received.
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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/yearly/

If you arranged the list by 2013-2014 and by highest salary first (i dont think it's including any bonuses for the year etc.)

Need to restructure Kolb, Fitzgerald, drop Bradley, restructure Dockett, restructure Snyder, make a decision on A-Dub, extend Rhodes, drop Doucet, extend Peterson if he's eligible.
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stchamp98 wrote:
I don't see how you're getting to that number.


Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received.


I was under the impression that guaranteed salary is picked up by a team if we trade him. We only have to accelerate monies already paid, which is the $15M option bonus, of which $9M still needs to hit the cap.
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iRobot wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
I don't see how you're getting to that number.


Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received.


The owner of the site is incorrect.
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khodder wrote:
iRobot wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
I don't see how you're getting to that number.


Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received.


I was under the impression that guaranteed salary is picked up by a team if we trade him. We only have to accelerate monies already paid, which is the $15M option bonus, of which $9M still needs to hit the cap.


Doesn't matter either way, Darnell's been paid out nearly 28 million of this deal in cash.
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stchamp98 wrote:
khodder wrote:
iRobot wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
I don't see how you're getting to that number.


Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received.


I was under the impression that guaranteed salary is picked up by a team if we trade him. We only have to accelerate monies already paid, which is the $15M option bonus, of which $9M still needs to hit the cap.


Doesn't matter either way, Darnell's been paid out nearly 28 million of this deal in cash.


So we are still sitting at the $9M number to hit the cap via his bonus?
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khodder wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
khodder wrote:
iRobot wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
I don't see how you're getting to that number.


Number was provided by the owner of that site. I think it has something to do with the $30M guaranteed and how much of that he's received.


I was under the impression that guaranteed salary is picked up by a team if we trade him. We only have to accelerate monies already paid, which is the $15M option bonus, of which $9M still needs to hit the cap.


Doesn't matter either way, Darnell's been paid out nearly 28 million of this deal in cash.


So we are still sitting at the $9M number to hit the cap via his bonus?


Yes. The workout bonus is tricky though, as the new CBA put in revisions that force us to pay I believe 50% of anything contractual over 100K. I'd have to confirm that but I believe we're on the hook for half of that 250K as well.
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