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| KhanYouDigIt wrote: | No doubt in my mind he will succeed if we solidify our O-Line this off-season.
When he had a clean pocket, he looked confident, like against GB.
I would not be upset if we went O-Line with our first two picks. |
Idk about the first pick, but I'd be fine going OL in round 2 and 3
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | KhanYouDigIt wrote: | No doubt in my mind he will succeed if we solidify our O-Line this off-season.
When he had a clean pocket, he looked confident, like against GB.
I would not be upset if we went O-Line with our first two picks. |
Idk about the first pick, but I'd be fine going OL in round 2 and 3 |
I think the draft s so big-man deep this year, starters can be there with the first three picks, but having Eugene and Luke bookending our line for the next decade would be a wonderful thing. But I believe a bookend right tackle will be sitting in our lap at 33, so the value may not be worth the 2nd pick when it's just a half step drop.
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IM ALL IN FOR JOECKEL AND WARFORD
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| MoJo122-b-21 wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | KhanYouDigIt wrote: | No doubt in my mind he will succeed if we solidify our O-Line this off-season.
When he had a clean pocket, he looked confident, like against GB.
I would not be upset if we went O-Line with our first two picks. |
Idk about the first pick, but I'd be fine going OL in round 2 and 3 |
I think the draft s so big-man deep this year, starters can be there with the first three picks, but having Eugene and Luke bookending our line for the next decade would be a wonderful thing. But I believe a bookend right tackle will be sitting in our lap at 33, so the value may not be worth the 2nd pick when it's just a half step drop. |
Free agency is teeming with tackles.
Surely we can sign one and fix that problem so we can focus on other areas during the draft.
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| KhanYouDigIt wrote: | | IM ALL IN FOR JOECKEL AND WARFORD |
I don't want to spend #2 on a RT
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JaguarCrazy2832
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | KhanYouDigIt wrote: | | IM ALL IN FOR JOECKEL AND WARFORD |
I don't want to spend #2 on a RT |
Given the rookie cap, i dont see why it would be such a huge deal
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | KhanYouDigIt wrote: | | IM ALL IN FOR JOECKEL AND WARFORD |
I don't want to spend #2 on a RT |
Given the rookie cap, i dont see why it would be such a huge deal |
Why spend #2 on a RT when we could select someone to help with our DL/pass rush?
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | KhanYouDigIt wrote: | | IM ALL IN FOR JOECKEL AND WARFORD |
I don't want to spend #2 on a RT |
Given the rookie cap, i dont see why it would be such a huge deal |
Because getting a premium position player >>>> a non-premium position player. At #2, the value for premium is excessively higher than a non-premium positions. Getting an top tier pass rusher >> top tier RT, which can be found easier later in the draft than the premium positions.
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| MightyRx wrote: | | MoJo122-b-21 wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | KhanYouDigIt wrote: | No doubt in my mind he will succeed if we solidify our O-Line this off-season.
When he had a clean pocket, he looked confident, like against GB.
I would not be upset if we went O-Line with our first two picks. |
Idk about the first pick, but I'd be fine going OL in round 2 and 3 |
I think the draft s so big-man deep this year, starters can be there with the first three picks, but having Eugene and Luke bookending our line for the next decade would be a wonderful thing. But I believe a bookend right tackle will be sitting in our lap at 33, so the value may not be worth the 2nd pick when it's just a half step drop. |
Free agency is teeming with tackles.
Surely we can sign one and fix that problem so we can focus on other areas during the draft. |
It's not very often quality big men hit the open market, not without serious question marks and hella bloated contracts.
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| MoJo122-b-21 wrote: | | MightyRx wrote: | | MoJo122-b-21 wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | KhanYouDigIt wrote: | No doubt in my mind he will succeed if we solidify our O-Line this off-season.
When he had a clean pocket, he looked confident, like against GB.
I would not be upset if we went O-Line with our first two picks. |
Idk about the first pick, but I'd be fine going OL in round 2 and 3 |
I think the draft s so big-man deep this year, starters can be there with the first three picks, but having Eugene and Luke bookending our line for the next decade would be a wonderful thing. But I believe a bookend right tackle will be sitting in our lap at 33, so the value may not be worth the 2nd pick when it's just a half step drop. |
Free agency is teeming with tackles.
Surely we can sign one and fix that problem so we can focus on other areas during the draft. |
It's not very often quality big men hit the open market, not without serious question marks and hella bloated contracts. |
Well, this year is that rare instance where there will be big men available to fill our vacant right tackle position.
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It's not spending the #2 pick on a RT only, it's spending it on a LT who has to make the position switch to RT. That isn't a sure thing and a lot of players struggle making the switch from one side to the other side of the line.
I also don't think Joeckel is the best LT prospect. I like Fisher more and would also take Jake Matthews over him if Matthews had declared.
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With the way defenses are evolving - and should continue to do so by coming at the quarterback from all angles - I believe the RT position is becoming more valuable and will soon be on par or at least close to the value of the LT position.
I'd rather be ahead of a potential new trend than behind it.
Remember, the left tackle grew so much more important then the right tackle position because pass rushers so often came only from the right side of the defense. That's not necessarily the case anymore. We're already seeing teams, both 4-3 and 3-4, not really caring what side their best pass-rusher lines up on (JPP plays primarily the left side as does Cliff Avril - not to mention all the craziness that comes with linebackers).
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| MoJo122-b-21 wrote: | With the way defenses are evolving - and should continue to do so by coming at the quarterback from all angles - I believe the RT position is becoming more valuable and will soon be on par or at least close to the value of the LT position.
I'd rather be ahead of a potential new trend than behind it.
Remember, the left tackle grew so much more important then the right tackle position because pass rushers so often came only from the right side of the defense. That's not necessarily the case anymore. We're already seeing teams, both 4-3 and 3-4, not really caring what side their best pass-rusher lines up on (JPP plays primarily the left side as does Cliff Avril - not to mention all the craziness that comes with linebackers). |
If elite pass rushers is pushing the importance of the RT up then why would we select a RT (mind you, LT prospects that may not even work at RT) over a pass rusher? Especially when it's our biggest need and we have the opportunity to select basically any one of them that we want in what is an insanely good defensive line/pass rushing class.
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MoJo122-b-21
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | MoJo122-b-21 wrote: | With the way defenses are evolving - and should continue to do so by coming at the quarterback from all angles - I believe the RT position is becoming more valuable and will soon be on par or at least close to the value of the LT position.
I'd rather be ahead of a potential new trend than behind it.
Remember, the left tackle grew so much more important then the right tackle position because pass rushers so often came only from the right side of the defense. That's not necessarily the case anymore. We're already seeing teams, both 4-3 and 3-4, not really caring what side their best pass-rusher lines up on (JPP plays primarily the left side as does Cliff Avril - not to mention all the craziness that comes with linebackers). |
If elite pass rushers is pushing the importance of the RT up then why would we select a RT (mind you, LT prospects that may not even work at RT) over a pass rusher? Especially when it's our biggest need and we have the opportunity to select basically any one of them that we want in what is an insanely good defensive line/pass rushing class. |
I didn't say I wanted to take a tackle over a pass rusher, especially not this year. I'm just defending the position in general. It looks as if there may be a couple special pass-rushers in this draft and we're in prime position to nab one. But I won't be complaining if we have two top-tier tackles either.
Also, in response to MightyRX, we say the same thing every year about one position or another - last year it was receivers. But the good ones are most often either re-signed, tendered or paid obnoxiously. Half of this free agent class won't be going anywhere and another chunk will be going to teams like Buffalo 
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I could see NE letting Sebastian Vollmer walk.
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