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khodder
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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: Arizona Cardinals Draft - Offensive Line |
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Talk it up offensive line in here.
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If Luke Joeckel not there at 7 don't take a tackle in the first round.
I would love for Arizona to draft Dallas Thomas to play guard. I know it be a move for him but he just looks like he be a good guard.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Boise&cards Fan wrote: | If Luke Joeckel not there at 7 don't take a tackle in the first round.
I would love for Arizona to draft Dallas Thomas to play guard. I know it be a move for him but he just looks like he be a good guard. |
he already plays LG |
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Boise&cards Fan
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| AZPSquared wrote: | | Boise&cards Fan wrote: | If Luke Joeckel not there at 7 don't take a tackle in the first round.
I would love for Arizona to draft Dallas Thomas to play guard. I know it be a move for him but he just looks like he be a good guard. |
he already plays LG |
only 12 games at LG. 25 at LT.
That only one more game at Guard then Kelemete played in college.
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stchamp98
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Joeckel's reportedly still undecided on whether or not to declare. Bruce Feldman is the source.
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| I love Lewan. His game against Clowney was awsome. He needs to stay with his second level blocks longer but other than that, he would start day one for us. |
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khodder
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Brian Winter - OT - Kent State
Hugh Thornton - OT/OG - Illinois
Two former wrestlers who are looking like solid OL prospects.
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DirtyDez
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Philly fans seem to think they won't take Joeckel because Peters is reportedly making good progress in rehab. If Joeckel drops to #5 Detroit will select him. Eagles could look to trade back. According to the Draft Value Chart we could move up to #4 by trading #7 and our 3rd + 5th round picks. We draft Joeckel and Barrett Jones at #38...
Joeckel----Colledge----Jones-----Levi----Massie
(Potter)---(Kelemete)-(Sendlein)-(Kelemete)--(Potter)
You could swap Levi/Colledge whichever side is more comfortable. Potter gives us solid & cheap depth.
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khodder
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The only position I am comfortable with trading up for is Quarterback. It is the only position that has enough impact on the game that you would be comfortable with trading away possible future impact player for.
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DirtyDez
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We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy.
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khodder
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| DirtyDez wrote: | | We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy. |
And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on?
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| khodder wrote: | | DirtyDez wrote: | | We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy. |
And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on? |
That's a completely irrelevant argument. With Joe Thomas we are a better football and w/o Thomas the Browns win 2 games a year. Go get the best player.
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stchamp98
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| DirtyDez wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | DirtyDez wrote: | | We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy. |
And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on? |
That's a completely irrelevant argument. With Joe Thomas we are a better football and w/o Thomas the Browns win 2 games a year. Go get the best player. |
Bolded: No it isn't. It's a very sound argument, as it shows directly that a left tackle doesn't change the course of our franchise nor has it changed the course of Cleveland's. So Cleveland only wins 2 games with Thomas (Which can't be backed up, you just threw out a random number), so what? 2 wins, 5 wins, it's all the same at the end of the day.
I'm not saying you don't have a point Dez but calling Khodder's argument irrelevant is incorrect. It's a very valid counter argument.
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | DirtyDez wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | DirtyDez wrote: | | We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy. |
And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on? |
That's a completely irrelevant argument. With Joe Thomas we are a better football and w/o Thomas the Browns win 2 games a year. Go get the best player. |
Bolded: No it isn't. It's a very sound argument, as it shows directly that a left tackle doesn't change the course of our franchise nor has it changed the course of Cleveland's. So Cleveland only wins 2 games with Thomas (Which can't be backed up, you just threw out a random number), so what? 2 wins, 5 wins, it's all the same at the end of the day.
I'm not saying you don't have a point Dez but calling Khodder's argument irrelevant is incorrect. It's a very valid counter argument. |
There's too many other factors just so say "Joe Thomas didn't elevate them to the playoffs". He's had no offensive weapons around him for most of his career, so yeah, that's not really an argument to show LT isn't valuable. If we had a borderline elite Tackle for the last 5 years we would've accomplished more.
I can understand now wanting to give up picks. That and the difference between trading for Joeckel or settling for Lewan is the argument. I think the difference in players/talent is worth it.
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stchamp98
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| DirtyDez wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | DirtyDez wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | DirtyDez wrote: | | We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy. |
And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on? |
That's a completely irrelevant argument. With Joe Thomas we are a better football and w/o Thomas the Browns win 2 games a year. Go get the best player. |
Bolded: No it isn't. It's a very sound argument, as it shows directly that a left tackle doesn't change the course of our franchise nor has it changed the course of Cleveland's. So Cleveland only wins 2 games with Thomas (Which can't be backed up, you just threw out a random number), so what? 2 wins, 5 wins, it's all the same at the end of the day.
I'm not saying you don't have a point Dez but calling Khodder's argument irrelevant is incorrect. It's a very valid counter argument. |
There's too many other factors just so say "Joe Thomas didn't elevate them to the playoffs". He's had no offensive weapons around him for most of his career, so yeah, that's not really an argument to show LT isn't valuable. If we had a borderline elite Tackle for the last 5 years we would've accomplished more. |
Bolded: This comment just made it even MORE of an argument. Saying a LT's impact on his team is determined by the people around him absolutely, positively shows that his value to his team as an individual is only worth so much.
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