Discuss football with over 60,000 fans. Free Membership. Join now!

 FAQFAQ  RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

FootballsFuture.com Forum Index
FootballsFuture.com Home

Arizona Cardinals Draft - Offensive Line
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> Arizona Cardinals
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
khodder


Moderator - MVP
Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 50232
Location: New New York
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:15 pm    Post subject: Arizona Cardinals Draft - Offensive Line Reply with quote

Talk it up offensive line in here.
_________________
FFMD 2014 - ARIZONA CARDINALS GM - CLICK ME - YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address MSN Messenger
Boise&cards Fan


Joined: 03 Dec 2010
Posts: 3082
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Luke Joeckel not there at 7 don't take a tackle in the first round.



I would love for Arizona to draft Dallas Thomas to play guard. I know it be a move for him but he just looks like he be a good guard.
_________________

That right I won. Thank you NS922 for the Sig.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AZPSquared


Joined: 17 Oct 2012
Posts: 1416
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boise&cards Fan wrote:
If Luke Joeckel not there at 7 don't take a tackle in the first round.



I would love for Arizona to draft Dallas Thomas to play guard. I know it be a move for him but he just looks like he be a good guard.


he already plays LG
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Boise&cards Fan


Joined: 03 Dec 2010
Posts: 3082
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZPSquared wrote:
Boise&cards Fan wrote:
If Luke Joeckel not there at 7 don't take a tackle in the first round.



I would love for Arizona to draft Dallas Thomas to play guard. I know it be a move for him but he just looks like he be a good guard.


he already plays LG


only 12 games at LG. 25 at LT.

That only one more game at Guard then Kelemete played in college.
_________________

That right I won. Thank you NS922 for the Sig.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stchamp98


Most Valuable Poster (3rd Ballot)

Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Posts: 52978
Location: Havre, Montana
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joeckel's reportedly still undecided on whether or not to declare. Bruce Feldman is the source.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
sunnysouth


Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Posts: 478
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love Lewan. His game against Clowney was awsome. He needs to stay with his second level blocks longer but other than that, he would start day one for us.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
khodder


Moderator - MVP
Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 50232
Location: New New York
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian Winter - OT - Kent State
Hugh Thornton - OT/OG - Illinois

Two former wrestlers who are looking like solid OL prospects.
_________________
FFMD 2014 - ARIZONA CARDINALS GM - CLICK ME - YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address MSN Messenger
DirtyDez


Joined: 15 Oct 2010
Posts: 11740
Location: the Arizona desert
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philly fans seem to think they won't take Joeckel because Peters is reportedly making good progress in rehab. If Joeckel drops to #5 Detroit will select him. Eagles could look to trade back. According to the Draft Value Chart we could move up to #4 by trading #7 and our 3rd + 5th round picks. We draft Joeckel and Barrett Jones at #38...

Joeckel----Colledge----Jones-----Levi----Massie
(Potter)---(Kelemete)-(Sendlein)-(Kelemete)--(Potter)

You could swap Levi/Colledge whichever side is more comfortable. Potter gives us solid & cheap depth.
_________________

The Rebuild Has Begun...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
khodder


Moderator - MVP
Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 50232
Location: New New York
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only position I am comfortable with trading up for is Quarterback. It is the only position that has enough impact on the game that you would be comfortable with trading away possible future impact player for.
_________________
FFMD 2014 - ARIZONA CARDINALS GM - CLICK ME - YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address MSN Messenger
DirtyDez


Joined: 15 Oct 2010
Posts: 11740
Location: the Arizona desert
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy.
_________________

The Rebuild Has Begun...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
khodder


Moderator - MVP
Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 50232
Location: New New York
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy.


And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on?
_________________
FFMD 2014 - ARIZONA CARDINALS GM - CLICK ME - YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address MSN Messenger
DirtyDez


Joined: 15 Oct 2010
Posts: 11740
Location: the Arizona desert
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy.


And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on?


That's a completely irrelevant argument. With Joe Thomas we are a better football and w/o Thomas the Browns win 2 games a year. Go get the best player.
_________________

The Rebuild Has Begun...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stchamp98


Most Valuable Poster (3rd Ballot)

Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Posts: 52978
Location: Havre, Montana
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy.


And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on?


That's a completely irrelevant argument. With Joe Thomas we are a better football and w/o Thomas the Browns win 2 games a year. Go get the best player.


Bolded: No it isn't. It's a very sound argument, as it shows directly that a left tackle doesn't change the course of our franchise nor has it changed the course of Cleveland's. So Cleveland only wins 2 games with Thomas (Which can't be backed up, you just threw out a random number), so what? 2 wins, 5 wins, it's all the same at the end of the day.

I'm not saying you don't have a point Dez but calling Khodder's argument irrelevant is incorrect. It's a very valid counter argument.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DirtyDez


Joined: 15 Oct 2010
Posts: 11740
Location: the Arizona desert
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy.


And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on?


That's a completely irrelevant argument. With Joe Thomas we are a better football and w/o Thomas the Browns win 2 games a year. Go get the best player.


Bolded: No it isn't. It's a very sound argument, as it shows directly that a left tackle doesn't change the course of our franchise nor has it changed the course of Cleveland's. So Cleveland only wins 2 games with Thomas (Which can't be backed up, you just threw out a random number), so what? 2 wins, 5 wins, it's all the same at the end of the day.

I'm not saying you don't have a point Dez but calling Khodder's argument irrelevant is incorrect. It's a very valid counter argument.


There's too many other factors just so say "Joe Thomas didn't elevate them to the playoffs". He's had no offensive weapons around him for most of his career, so yeah, that's not really an argument to show LT isn't valuable. If we had a borderline elite Tackle for the last 5 years we would've accomplished more.

I can understand now wanting to give up picks. That and the difference between trading for Joeckel or settling for Lewan is the argument. I think the difference in players/talent is worth it.
_________________

The Rebuild Has Begun...


Last edited by DirtyDez on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:21 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stchamp98


Most Valuable Poster (3rd Ballot)

Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Posts: 52978
Location: Havre, Montana
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
We didn't move up for Thomas and got stuck with Levi. Not saying Levi = Lewan but Joeckel is the superior Tackle in this draft. Go get the elite guy.


And how many playoff wins has that got the Browns?
And how many playoff wins have we missed out on?


That's a completely irrelevant argument. With Joe Thomas we are a better football and w/o Thomas the Browns win 2 games a year. Go get the best player.


Bolded: No it isn't. It's a very sound argument, as it shows directly that a left tackle doesn't change the course of our franchise nor has it changed the course of Cleveland's. So Cleveland only wins 2 games with Thomas (Which can't be backed up, you just threw out a random number), so what? 2 wins, 5 wins, it's all the same at the end of the day.

I'm not saying you don't have a point Dez but calling Khodder's argument irrelevant is incorrect. It's a very valid counter argument.


There's too many other factors just so say "Joe Thomas didn't elevate them to the playoffs". He's had no offensive weapons around him for most of his career, so yeah, that's not really an argument to show LT isn't valuable. If we had a borderline elite Tackle for the last 5 years we would've accomplished more.


Bolded: This comment just made it even MORE of an argument. Saying a LT's impact on his team is determined by the people around him absolutely, positively shows that his value to his team as an individual is only worth so much.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   

Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> Arizona Cardinals All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Page 1 of 5

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group