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Who wins?
Texans by a lot
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Texans by a little
26%
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Patriots by a little
11%
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Patriots by a lot
58%
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So 34/51 (66.7%) for 343 2TDs (should have been 3) and 1 INT is him sucking Rolling Eyes

He didn't play great, but he far from sucked. We put up 28 and were within 10 with 5:30 left. The defense, Wade especially, didn't get it done. Plain and simple.

A lot of the early drives that stalled were when we inexplicably ran up the middle or to the right when it wasn't working. Once that started to work a bit, we were moving the ball.

This game was hardly on Schaub and the offense.


come on man, even YOU can't say you watched that game and thought for ONCE, Schaub was in control and could take this game over, even after we got the ball on the 12 yard line on the opening drive...he had a nice throw to Casey and then over thew (and behind) a wide open Andre on the next play....the guy is captain check down and thats all. Ive said it before and Ill say it again. He is a game manager and when the game is on the line or we need a momentum drive to keep us alive, he stalls, he fails, he gives the game away.


There are maybe 5 QBs in the league that I trust to take a game over. If that is your standard you are almost always going to be disappointed.

The thing is we have seen him lead drives. He played great in the 4th to get us back in it. On the FG drive to end the first half he made great throws. That gave us momentum going into half time (which you say he always fails)

I personally have no problem with a game manager. That is still better than 2/3rds of the league who either have QBs that can't do a thing or make bonehead play after bonehead play like a Cutler.

You seem to think these QBs that can carry everything grow on trees. Where are we getting it. Yates is not even close and this draft is horrible. I'm fine taking a flyer on a guy like Bray in the 3rd and if he shows something looking at him in 2014. But there definitely no better option than Schaub for us next year.

If the defense is even remotely competent in this game we win.


If you had a guess, which DEFENSE enforced more 3 and outs?


Irrelevant stat is irrelvant.

Are you really going to claim that this defense that gave up 41 points had basically no pressure and no turnovers played well?


Im gonna state, that our offnese had the ball more and continued to do nothing, got into the redzone quite often and continued to do nothing, Im gonna state that the defense gave up a td amking it 24-13, the offense then went 3 and out, the defense then mustered a great 3 and out, then the offense drove down the field, like they do, got near the red zone and Schaub threw an ugly interception that turned that game upside down....he is terrible and can ruin games with stupid mistakes.....are you gonna argue he played well because he checked down every other throw and put up a few yards? Is that all that matters to you, stat padding?
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Matt Schaub completed 34-of-51 passes for 343 yards, two touchdowns, and one interceptions in Sunday's Divsional round loss at New England.
The boxscore couldn't be more misleading. Hankering for a rematch after the debacle at Foxborough six weeks ago, Schaub fell flat on his face for three quarters. Too often throwing short of the sticks or out of bounds, a hesitant Schaub struggled to pick up third downs or move the offense consistently. Not until the Patriots went into prevent mode up 38-13 in the fourth quarter did Schaub finally find the end zone, tossing just his fifth and sixth touchdowns of the past eight games. He clearly regressed down the stretch, showing that he can't stand toe-to-toe with the game's best signal-callers.
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Matt Schaub completed 34-of-51 passes for 343 yards, two touchdowns, and one interceptions in Sunday's Divsional round loss at New England.
The boxscore couldn't be more misleading. Hankering for a rematch after the debacle at Foxborough six weeks ago, Schaub fell flat on his face for three quarters. Too often throwing short of the sticks or out of bounds, a hesitant Schaub struggled to pick up third downs or move the offense consistently. Not until the Patriots went into prevent mode up 38-13 in the fourth quarter did Schaub finally find the end zone, tossing just his fifth and sixth touchdowns of the past eight games. He clearly regressed down the stretch, showing that he can't stand toe-to-toe with the game's best signal-callers.


These guys have no idea what theyre talking about, do they know Matt threw 4000 yards a few years ago? Those idiots....not everyone can have a top 3 qb in this league....how dare they question our front office
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mse326 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
mse326 wrote:
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So 34/51 (66.7%) for 343 2TDs (should have been 3) and 1 INT is him sucking Rolling Eyes

He didn't play great, but he far from sucked. We put up 28 and were within 10 with 5:30 left. The defense, Wade especially, didn't get it done. Plain and simple.

A lot of the early drives that stalled were when we inexplicably ran up the middle or to the right when it wasn't working. Once that started to work a bit, we were moving the ball.

This game was hardly on Schaub and the offense.


come on man, even YOU can't say you watched that game and thought for ONCE, Schaub was in control and could take this game over, even after we got the ball on the 12 yard line on the opening drive...he had a nice throw to Casey and then over thew (and behind) a wide open Andre on the next play....the guy is captain check down and thats all. Ive said it before and Ill say it again. He is a game manager and when the game is on the line or we need a momentum drive to keep us alive, he stalls, he fails, he gives the game away.


There are maybe 5 QBs in the league that I trust to take a game over. If that is your standard you are almost always going to be disappointed.

The thing is we have seen him lead drives. He played great in the 4th to get us back in it. On the FG drive to end the first half he made great throws. That gave us momentum going into half time (which you say he always fails)

I personally have no problem with a game manager. That is still better than 2/3rds of the league who either have QBs that can't do a thing or make bonehead play after bonehead play like a Cutler.

You seem to think these QBs that can carry everything grow on trees. Where are we getting it. Yates is not even close and this draft is horrible. I'm fine taking a flyer on a guy like Bray in the 3rd and if he shows something looking at him in 2014. But there definitely no better option than Schaub for us next year.

If the defense is even remotely competent in this game we win.


If you had a guess, which DEFENSE enforced more 3 and outs?


Irrelevant stat is irrelvant.

Are you really going to claim that this defense that gave up 41 points had basically no pressure and no turnovers played well?


Im gonna state, that our offnese had the ball more and continued to do nothing, got into the redzone quite often and continued to do nothing, Im gonna state that the defense gave up a td amking it 24-13, the offense then went 3 and out, the defense then mustered a great 3 and out, then the offense drove down the field, like they do, got near the red zone and Schaub threw an ugly interception that turned that game upside down....he is terrible and can ruin games with stupid mistakes.....are you gonna argue he played well because he checked down every other throw and put up a few yards? Is that all that matters to you, stat padding?


He moved the offense. They put up 28 points. That matters to me.

3 drives do not define the game.

Would you complain about Peyton Manning. He through a bad INT that lost them the game.

The offense kept us in the game. The defense couldn't get off the field when it needed to. After we got it to 10 and needed the stop they twice didn't get off the field on 3rd down the FG and about 1:00 on the clock effectively ended the game.

If he forced it down field and it was intercepted then you'd scream bloody murder, and he through it down field plenty today.

The offense succeeded more times when it needed to, than the defense did when it needed to.
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Matt Schaub completed 34-of-51 passes for 343 yards, two touchdowns, and one interceptions in Sunday's Divsional round loss at New England.
The boxscore couldn't be more misleading. Hankering for a rematch after the debacle at Foxborough six weeks ago, Schaub fell flat on his face for three quarters. Too often throwing short of the sticks or out of bounds, a hesitant Schaub struggled to pick up third downs or move the offense consistently. Not until the Patriots went into prevent mode up 38-13 in the fourth quarter did Schaub finally find the end zone, tossing just his fifth and sixth touchdowns of the past eight games. He clearly regressed down the stretch, showing that he can't stand toe-to-toe with the game's best signal-callers.


These guys have no idea what theyre talking about, do they know Matt threw 4000 yards a few years ago? Those idiots....not everyone can have a top 3 qb in this league....how dare they question our front office


You have yet to tell us who you think would be better for us in 2013. If you really think it's Yates then we have nothing to left to argue. He proved pretty clearly that he doesn't have the ability to lead any more than Schaub.
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amazingandre wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
From NEUTRAL rotoworld

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Matt Schaub completed 34-of-51 passes for 343 yards, two touchdowns, and one interceptions in Sunday's Divsional round loss at New England.
The boxscore couldn't be more misleading. Hankering for a rematch after the debacle at Foxborough six weeks ago, Schaub fell flat on his face for three quarters. Too often throwing short of the sticks or out of bounds, a hesitant Schaub struggled to pick up third downs or move the offense consistently. Not until the Patriots went into prevent mode up 38-13 in the fourth quarter did Schaub finally find the end zone, tossing just his fifth and sixth touchdowns of the past eight games. He clearly regressed down the stretch, showing that he can't stand toe-to-toe with the game's best signal-callers.


These guys have no idea what theyre talking about, do they know Matt threw 4000 yards a few years ago? Those idiots....not everyone can have a top 3 qb in this league....how dare they question our front office


You have yet to tell us who you think would be better for us in 2013. If you really think it's Yates then we have nothing to left to argue. He proved pretty clearly that he doesn't have the ability to lead any more than Schaub.


His 5 starts proved that to you, just like Duane Brown proved he was a bad pick, or Kareem Jackson after their rough starts to their career (and I will go back and pull quotes from you if youd like tomorrow...already saw some earlier as I looked for comments about Schaub from me).... Rolling Eyes You give up on young players quickly but can't move on from Schaub....funny
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mse326 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
mse326 wrote:
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So 34/51 (66.7%) for 343 2TDs (should have been 3) and 1 INT is him sucking Rolling Eyes

He didn't play great, but he far from sucked. We put up 28 and were within 10 with 5:30 left. The defense, Wade especially, didn't get it done. Plain and simple.

A lot of the early drives that stalled were when we inexplicably ran up the middle or to the right when it wasn't working. Once that started to work a bit, we were moving the ball.

This game was hardly on Schaub and the offense.


come on man, even YOU can't say you watched that game and thought for ONCE, Schaub was in control and could take this game over, even after we got the ball on the 12 yard line on the opening drive...he had a nice throw to Casey and then over thew (and behind) a wide open Andre on the next play....the guy is captain check down and thats all. Ive said it before and Ill say it again. He is a game manager and when the game is on the line or we need a momentum drive to keep us alive, he stalls, he fails, he gives the game away.


There are maybe 5 QBs in the league that I trust to take a game over. If that is your standard you are almost always going to be disappointed.

The thing is we have seen him lead drives. He played great in the 4th to get us back in it. On the FG drive to end the first half he made great throws. That gave us momentum going into half time (which you say he always fails)

I personally have no problem with a game manager. That is still better than 2/3rds of the league who either have QBs that can't do a thing or make bonehead play after bonehead play like a Cutler.

You seem to think these QBs that can carry everything grow on trees. Where are we getting it. Yates is not even close and this draft is horrible. I'm fine taking a flyer on a guy like Bray in the 3rd and if he shows something looking at him in 2014. But there definitely no better option than Schaub for us next year.

If the defense is even remotely competent in this game we win.


If you had a guess, which DEFENSE enforced more 3 and outs?


Irrelevant stat is irrelvant.

Are you really going to claim that this defense that gave up 41 points had basically no pressure and no turnovers played well?


Im gonna state, that our offnese had the ball more and continued to do nothing, got into the redzone quite often and continued to do nothing, Im gonna state that the defense gave up a td amking it 24-13, the offense then went 3 and out, the defense then mustered a great 3 and out, then the offense drove down the field, like they do, got near the red zone and Schaub threw an ugly interception that turned that game upside down....he is terrible and can ruin games with stupid mistakes.....are you gonna argue he played well because he checked down every other throw and put up a few yards? Is that all that matters to you, stat padding?


He moved the offense. They put up 28 points. That matters to me.

3 drives do not define the game.

Would you complain about Peyton Manning. He through a bad INT that lost them the game.

The offense kept us in the game. The defense couldn't get off the field when it needed to. After we got it to 10 and needed the stop they twice didn't get off the field on 3rd down the FG and about 1:00 on the clock effectively ended the game.

If he forced it down field and it was intercepted then you'd scream bloody murder, and he through it down field plenty today.

The offense succeeded more times when it needed to, than the defense did when it needed to.


Schaub did nothing to get our first 13 points, and the last 2 TDs came in garbage time after we were down 3 touchdowns.....don't give me that crap
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mse326 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
From NEUTRAL rotoworld

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Matt Schaub completed 34-of-51 passes for 343 yards, two touchdowns, and one interceptions in Sunday's Divsional round loss at New England.
The boxscore couldn't be more misleading. Hankering for a rematch after the debacle at Foxborough six weeks ago, Schaub fell flat on his face for three quarters. Too often throwing short of the sticks or out of bounds, a hesitant Schaub struggled to pick up third downs or move the offense consistently. Not until the Patriots went into prevent mode up 38-13 in the fourth quarter did Schaub finally find the end zone, tossing just his fifth and sixth touchdowns of the past eight games. He clearly regressed down the stretch, showing that he can't stand toe-to-toe with the game's best signal-callers.


These guys have no idea what theyre talking about, do they know Matt threw 4000 yards a few years ago? Those idiots....not everyone can have a top 3 qb in this league....how dare they question our front office


You have yet to tell us who you think would be better for us in 2013. If you really think it's Yates then we have nothing to left to argue. He proved pretty clearly that he doesn't have the ability to lead any more than Schaub.


His 5 starts proved that to you, just like Duane Brown proved he was a bad pick, or Kareem Jackson after their rough starts to their career (and I will go back and pull quotes from you if youd like tomorrow...already saw some earlier as I looked for comments about Schaub from me).... Rolling Eyes You give up on young players quickly but can't move on from Schaub....funny


Actually Brown proved exactly what we knew. He had talent but was raw. He was a great run blocker from the start.

Plus you said 2013. You think he'll be better next year than Matt Schaub would be? Really?

I have no problem with a QB that can put up 28 in a divisional playoff game. I'm sorry that isn't good enough for you. That wins most games.
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mse326 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
From NEUTRAL rotoworld

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Matt Schaub completed 34-of-51 passes for 343 yards, two touchdowns, and one interceptions in Sunday's Divsional round loss at New England.
The boxscore couldn't be more misleading. Hankering for a rematch after the debacle at Foxborough six weeks ago, Schaub fell flat on his face for three quarters. Too often throwing short of the sticks or out of bounds, a hesitant Schaub struggled to pick up third downs or move the offense consistently. Not until the Patriots went into prevent mode up 38-13 in the fourth quarter did Schaub finally find the end zone, tossing just his fifth and sixth touchdowns of the past eight games. He clearly regressed down the stretch, showing that he can't stand toe-to-toe with the game's best signal-callers.


These guys have no idea what theyre talking about, do they know Matt threw 4000 yards a few years ago? Those idiots....not everyone can have a top 3 qb in this league....how dare they question our front office


You have yet to tell us who you think would be better for us in 2013. If you really think it's Yates then we have nothing to left to argue. He proved pretty clearly that he doesn't have the ability to lead any more than Schaub.


It's just like any other relationship that has spoiled. Everything that the other does wrong becomes microanalyzed with the utmost scrutiny, and the good is overlooked or brushed aside as "everybody should be able to do that".
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mse - I hear you. I really do.

Let me ask you honestly. Do you BELIEVE Matt Schuab could lead this team to the Super Bowl or do you HOPE he can?

I think most of us HOPE he can, but the reality is substantially against that.

The way that Matt Schaub plays in "games that matter" has not inspired confidence. Other teams even seem to know that they do not need to fear us when the "game matters".

Is that all on Matt Schaub? Not all of it. Has he got us this far? Absolutely. Is in the top half of QB's in the league? Absolutely. Does he feel (or play) like a QB who can win you a SB? Not so much.

Our defense did play well enough to keep us in the game. But the offense BLEW several chances to take advantage. Watch the game again and just be honest.
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mse326 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
mse326 wrote:
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mse326 wrote:
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So 34/51 (66.7%) for 343 2TDs (should have been 3) and 1 INT is him sucking Rolling Eyes

He didn't play great, but he far from sucked. We put up 28 and were within 10 with 5:30 left. The defense, Wade especially, didn't get it done. Plain and simple.

A lot of the early drives that stalled were when we inexplicably ran up the middle or to the right when it wasn't working. Once that started to work a bit, we were moving the ball.

This game was hardly on Schaub and the offense.


come on man, even YOU can't say you watched that game and thought for ONCE, Schaub was in control and could take this game over, even after we got the ball on the 12 yard line on the opening drive...he had a nice throw to Casey and then over thew (and behind) a wide open Andre on the next play....the guy is captain check down and thats all. Ive said it before and Ill say it again. He is a game manager and when the game is on the line or we need a momentum drive to keep us alive, he stalls, he fails, he gives the game away.


There are maybe 5 QBs in the league that I trust to take a game over. If that is your standard you are almost always going to be disappointed.

The thing is we have seen him lead drives. He played great in the 4th to get us back in it. On the FG drive to end the first half he made great throws. That gave us momentum going into half time (which you say he always fails)

I personally have no problem with a game manager. That is still better than 2/3rds of the league who either have QBs that can't do a thing or make bonehead play after bonehead play like a Cutler.

You seem to think these QBs that can carry everything grow on trees. Where are we getting it. Yates is not even close and this draft is horrible. I'm fine taking a flyer on a guy like Bray in the 3rd and if he shows something looking at him in 2014. But there definitely no better option than Schaub for us next year.

If the defense is even remotely competent in this game we win.


If you had a guess, which DEFENSE enforced more 3 and outs?


Irrelevant stat is irrelvant.

Are you really going to claim that this defense that gave up 41 points had basically no pressure and no turnovers played well?


Im gonna state, that our offnese had the ball more and continued to do nothing, got into the redzone quite often and continued to do nothing, Im gonna state that the defense gave up a td amking it 24-13, the offense then went 3 and out, the defense then mustered a great 3 and out, then the offense drove down the field, like they do, got near the red zone and Schaub threw an ugly interception that turned that game upside down....he is terrible and can ruin games with stupid mistakes.....are you gonna argue he played well because he checked down every other throw and put up a few yards? Is that all that matters to you, stat padding?


He moved the offense. They put up 28 points. That matters to me.

3 drives do not define the game.

Would you complain about Peyton Manning. He through a bad INT that lost them the game.

The offense kept us in the game. The defense couldn't get off the field when it needed to. After we got it to 10 and needed the stop they twice didn't get off the field on 3rd down the FG and about 1:00 on the clock effectively ended the game.

If he forced it down field and it was intercepted then you'd scream bloody murder, and he through it down field plenty today.

The offense succeeded more times when it needed to, than the defense did when it needed to.


Schaub did nothing to get our first 13 points, and the last 2 TDs came in garbage time after we were down 3 touchdowns.....don't give me that crap


He did nothing to get the 3 before half?

And you can say 3 td's all you want. it was a 10 point game with 5:30 to go. We were very much in the game.
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mse - I hear you. I really do.

Let me ask you honestly. Do you BELIEVE Matt Schuab could lead this team to the Super Bowl or do you HOPE he can?

I think most of us HOPE he can, but the reality is substantially against that.

The way that Matt Schaub plays in "games that matter" has not inspired confidence. Other teams even seem to know that they do not need to fear us when the "game matters".

Is that all on Matt Schaub? Not all of it. Has he got us this far? Absolutely. Is in the top half of QB's in the league? Absolutely. Does he feel (or play) like a QB who can win you a SB? Not so much.

Our defense did play well enough to keep us in the game. But the offense BLEW several chances to take advantage. Watch the game again and just be honest.


Great points but I have to ask, to anybody, when was the last time a team gave up 40+ points and won the game? Defense wins games.
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mse - I hear you. I really do.

Let me ask you honestly. Do you BELIEVE Matt Schuab could lead this team to the Super Bowl or do you HOPE he can?

I think most of us HOPE he can, but the reality is substantially against that.

The way that Matt Schaub plays in "games that matter" has not inspired confidence. Other teams even seem to know that they do not need to fear us when the "game matters".

Is that all on Matt Schaub? Not all of it. Has he got us this far? Absolutely. Is in the top half of QB's in the league? Absolutely. Does he feel (or play) like a QB who can win you a SB? Not so much.

Our defense did play well enough to keep us in the game. But the offense BLEW several chances to take advantage. Watch the game again and just be honest.


I believe he can 100%.

Here's the thing. You say he is in the top half of the league but then question his ability to win a SB. That makes a pretty small list of team capable of winning.

That last paragraph is wrong. 41 points is not playing well enough for anything. Did the offense blow some chances? Sure. The defense blew a lot more chances. Not the least of which was the last drive and their inability to get off the field. The offense did enough to keep us in it. Not the defense.
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Amazing Andre....I'm in your corner, I agree with what you're saying about Schaub, I've been in your shoes on statements about our QB (D.Carr) You can pull up my posts and you'll see, This forum can be tough to prove your point, I'm just saying I know what your talking about, and 100% back you.
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mse - I hear you. I really do.

Let me ask you honestly. Do you BELIEVE Matt Schuab could lead this team to the Super Bowl or do you HOPE he can?

I think most of us HOPE he can, but the reality is substantially against that.

The way that Matt Schaub plays in "games that matter" has not inspired confidence. Other teams even seem to know that they do not need to fear us when the "game matters".

Is that all on Matt Schaub? Not all of it. Has he got us this far? Absolutely. Is in the top half of QB's in the league? Absolutely. Does he feel (or play) like a QB who can win you a SB? Not so much.

Our defense did play well enough to keep us in the game. But the offense BLEW several chances to take advantage. Watch the game again and just be honest.


Great points but I have to ask, to anybody, when was the last time a team gave up 40+ points and won the game? Defense wins games.


Fair enough biggio - but it's the Patriots! You know they have an offense for the a$$. So you have to be able to punch with them. If we get up, he Pats have to pass. Our defense is built to play from the front - not from behind against repeat Super Bowl contenders.

I will give you that our D looked out of sync when the Pats went hurry up. (1) That's on the players to get their heads in the game; (2) the D Coordinator (our beloved Wade) has to be quicker (3) We missed Cush. Plain & simple. He makes the calls and fires up the D. But our D did play well enough to keep us in the game. BUT THE OFFENSE CANNOT HAVE TO's and HAS TO COMPLETE OPPORTUNITIES. The offense didn't do that.
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