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Boda


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now that Winfield has moved on does anyone have any interest in possibly bringing in Charles Woodson to play NCB for a year? I know he is another former Packer but I think he could actually be a good fit and he would/should bring the leadership that will be missed from Winfield.
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Boda wrote:
So now that Winfield has moved on does anyone have any interest in possibly bringing in Charles Woodson to play NCB for a year? I know he is another former Packer but I think he could actually be a good fit and he would/should bring the leadership that will be missed from Winfield.


Id rather go after Marcus Trufant.
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Maybe we go after CB early, and move Robinson to NCB?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
Boda wrote:
So now that Winfield has moved on does anyone have any interest in possibly bringing in Charles Woodson to play NCB for a year? I know he is another former Packer but I think he could actually be a good fit and he would/should bring the leadership that will be missed from Winfield.


Id rather go after Marcus Trufant.

I wouldn't mind Trufant as a replacement & he is younger than Woodson but I personally think for a 1 yr fix as reguardless if we signed either of these 2 players we would still likely have to address CB somewhere in the draft. I just feel Woodson is the better fit for 1 year though I could be wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe we go after CB early, and move Robinson to NCB?


This is what I see as likely. Grab a first or second rd CB, and have an open competition at outside CB between that rookie and Robinson. AJ Jefferson and the loser of that competition would then battle for the nickel and dime spots.

If a veteran like Trufant is added, they can be penciled in as either the nickel or dime.Ideally, you would then draft a mid round CB and carry six, with Robert Blanton or Mistral Raymond being a "flex" CB/S hyrbid on game day since 6 CBs wont be active.

LCB Cook
RCB 1st or 2nd rd pick
NCB Trufant or Robinson
DCB Robinson or Trufant
CB #5 Jefferson
CB #6 4th or 5th rd pick
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corner is a rep based position. I don't see how they would be able to have a suitable position battle for the outside and then kick the loser inside. That player would be behind the curve. It also shouldn't be assumed that any rookie drafted to be an outside corner can, or should, make the shift inside. It's a completely different skill set.

To me, that sort of decision should be made at the beginning of camp. Either draft an outside corner and kick Robinson inside or draft a slot corner and keep Josh on the outside.
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Corner is a rep based position. I don't see how they would be able to have a suitable position battle for the outside and then kick the loser inside. That player would be behind the curve. It also shouldn't be assumed that any rookie drafted to be an outside corner can, or should, make the shift inside. It's a completely different skill set.

To me, that sort of decision should be made at the beginning of camp. Either draft an outside corner and kick Robinson inside or draft a slot corner and keep Josh on the outside.


If you pencil one player into one specific spot, they become one dimensional. MN needs to avoid this with its DBs and plenty of teams train there CBs to be able to play inside and out. It baffles me why the Vikings arent doing this.

It does take a different skill set, agreed, but if you dont give you CBs reps at both spots, you're setting yourself up to have very poor depth. Bottom line, Robinson needs to learn both spots. Any rookie CB needs to learn both spots. Once a starter is established, that is when you then let them focus on their primary position. Probably the second or third preseason game i would imagine.

I dont advocate creating one dimensional backups/potential starters. There are too few roster spots to have specialists at every backup spot. Every team's 4th and 5th CB needs to be able to play inside and out, this is reality of the NFL and if Robinson is moved to #4 because MN signs Trufant and drafts a rookie early, he will have far more value to this team if he can step in as starter on the outside and play dime.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a younger player I would prefer they get used to one spot first. I also don't know of many teams that have more than one of their corners play inside and out (one of the starters kicking inside on nickel situations ex. Winfield).

Maybe Robinson is that guy that is our starting outside corner and then kicks inside when the other rookie comes in. It's just my preference that a young player doesn't have too much added to his plate too quick. They begin to think too much and play slower because of it.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
With a younger player I would prefer they get used to one spot first. I also don't know of many teams that have more than one of their corners play inside and out (one of the starters kicking inside on nickel situations ex. Winfield).

Maybe Robinson is that guy that is our starting outside corner and then kicks inside when the other rookie comes in. It's just my preference that a young player doesn't have too much added to his plate too quick. They begin to think too much and play slower because of it.


I understand this line of thinking, the downside is if you get a young player to focused in on one spot and they struggle at that spot, like Robinson last year, you have a player who ultimately has little value to the team. Robinson did struggle at outside, but he very well could have been a good dime CB for this team if he had gotten more reps.

Now if you draft a CB in round 1 or 2, you would certainly want to let them focus on the outside spot as the ideal starter, in which case Robinson would have more value if he learned two roles.
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Needed a CB before this.....now they really do.
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I really think the staff wants Robinson to develop and start, so I don't think we draft a guy in rounds 1 or 2, but 3 and 4 for some competition sounds more likely to me.
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I really think the staff wants Robinson to develop and start, so I don't think we draft a guy in rounds 1 or 2, but 3 and 4 for some competition sounds more likely to me.


Given Cook's unreliability to remain on the field, and the fact he is in a contract season, Robinson very well could be developed to start (eventually) in addition to an early pick at Cb.

Regardless, its essential to have three starting caliber CBs anyway, so i dont see an issue adding a CB in rd 1 or 2. CB is just as big of a need as DT, but id still prioritize MLB and WR as bigger needs than those two.
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vikingsrule wrote:
Zephiel wrote:
I really think the staff wants Robinson to develop and start, so I don't think we draft a guy in rounds 1 or 2, but 3 and 4 for some competition sounds more likely to me.


Given Cook's unreliability to remain on the field, and the fact he is in a contract season, Robinson very well could be developed to start (eventually) in addition to an early pick at Cb.

Regardless, its essential to have three starting caliber CBs anyway, so i dont see an issue adding a CB in rd 1 or 2. CB is just as big of a need as DT, but id still prioritize MLB and WR as bigger needs than those two.


IMO running a Cover 2 places more importance on drafting a LB or DT over a CB
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Klomp wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Zephiel wrote:
I really think the staff wants Robinson to develop and start, so I don't think we draft a guy in rounds 1 or 2, but 3 and 4 for some competition sounds more likely to me.


Given Cook's unreliability to remain on the field, and the fact he is in a contract season, Robinson very well could be developed to start (eventually) in addition to an early pick at Cb.

Regardless, its essential to have three starting caliber CBs anyway, so i dont see an issue adding a CB in rd 1 or 2. CB is just as big of a need as DT, but id still prioritize MLB and WR as bigger needs than those two.


IMO running a Cover 2 places more importance on drafting a LB or DT over a CB


Very good point. For the most part, Cover 2 corners are interchangeable. The Bears are a great example. They have consistently been great on defense despite playing musical chairs at the position. In large part to stellar linebacker play and getting after the QB, which is what I believe the Vikings should focus on.
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