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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJpillz317 wrote:
He's a poor man's RGIII


Maybe a homeless man's RGIII
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Klomp wrote:
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i don't believe in "killing" Webb for his game the other night, and really don't understand those who feel it's certain he won't be on the team next year. he had an awful, awful game, there's no way to sugar coat it. but given that he's had better games in the past, shows to me he has those skills in him.


The more he's out there, the worse he looks.

In 2010, he had two games vs DET and PHI. Last year, he had two poor outings vs DET and CHI. Sure he brought us back in WAS game, but he only threw 5 passes.

How about this for a stat. In games Webb plays in, the Vikings are 4-12. A number of those are games he barely played, so I'll narrow it even further. When Webb attempts at least 10 passes, the Vikings are 1-5.


He wasn't poor at all against Detroit. He was 1 yard away from leading us back from a 21 point deficit. And those records you used aren't fair at all, either of them. If you're going to be honest, Joe Webb's record as a QB should be 2-4.
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I just don't understand the defense for one and the non defense of another.

people are funny critters.

what is absolute certainty to one, is massive doubt to another.


What's really pathetic is that we're having this meaningless debate over who has sucked more: our starting QB or his backup?

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What's really pathetic is that we're having this meaningless debate over who has sucked more: our starting QB or his backup?

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actually i think only a handful of people here think it's debatable. the "reasoning" used in the argument that Webb is better than Ponder is one of grasping at straws, and by far the majority of fans and analysts agree.
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I think that Webb should be converted back to the WR/return position. He has 4.4 speed which would rock for kickoff return's and eventually work his way into a receiver. A player can make a living off just being a very good return man and Webb shows that he can make people miss!


His height is a real hindrance to him being a return/runner. At 6-4, he just has too much height. If Webb was 6-1 or 6-2, it could be more viable.


That is a good point. With that said the NFL is seeing successes with players that in the past was not really known for such as the option QB. With the safety emphasis maybe a 6-4 return guy could work with that kind of speed /shrug. Very good point though vikingsrule Smile
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Frazier said it was too soon to say where Webb or third-stringer McLeod Bethel-Thompson will land on the 2013 depth chart. The Vikings' coaches and scouts are going through meetings about the roster through the end of the week.

Frazier: "It was a tough day for Joe. Tough day all the way around. Put in a tough situation, having to go start a playoff game in that environment against a good football team.

"We still have a lot of confidence in Joe. We understand the circumstances that he was placed in. He'll be a guy competing for that number two spot again next year, barring something that we may end up doing in our personnel meetings. But we're going to discuss Joe's position and every position."

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/No_doubt_on_Christian_Ponders_status_with_Vikings_Hes_our_starter010813
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FWIW here's the formations and mesh points of the zone reads you guys ran Saturday

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Preplay: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v11.png
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Mesh angel 2: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v14.png
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Preplay: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v21.png
Mesh angel 1: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v22.png
Mesh angel 2: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v23.png
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Preplay: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v31.png
Mesh angel 1: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v32.png
Mesh angel 2: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v33.png
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Preplay: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v41.png
Mesh angel 1: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v42.png
Mesh angel 2: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v43.png
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Preplay: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v51.png
Mesh angel 1: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v52.png
Mesh angel 2: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v53.png
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Preplay: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v61.png
Mesh angel 1: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/imaqban/v62.png
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particularly when he trips over a defender laying on the ground.

Matt Kalil's reaction was priceless.


lol@football knowledge...Noooo..i think the look on his face was that of defeat after getting tossed around by that tackle like a rag doll...no matter how bad a line is..the back is suppose to always be open..they had nothing to do with footwork..anyone that knows anything about football knows that.
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particularly when he trips over a defender laying on the ground.

Matt Kalil's reaction was priceless.


lol@football knowledge...Noooo..i think the look on his face was that of defeat after getting tossed around by that tackle like a rag doll...no matter how bad a line is..the back is suppose to always be open..they had nothing to do with footwork..anyone that knows anything about football knows that.


None of this post had really anything to do with the play VD was talking about. I am not sure what you are even trying to suggest.

Kalil did his part, Webb danced around the pocket and ran right into Clay Matthews, who was laying on the ground as he couldnt get around Kalil.
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Kalil did his part alright, he put Matthews on the GROUND! you can't ask for any better "block" than that, particularly since Kalil's internal clock told him he had engaged CMIII long enough that the pass would be on its way by then.

that's where the frustration came from.
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I think the play that DudeWhat?? is referring to is the strip sack in which Clay Matthews beat Kalil around the outside and then Joe Webb backed up right into a sack.

Matthews did beat Kalil off the ball but he recovered enough to push him around the pocket. Webb, instead of climbing the pocket, backed up right into him. He's trying to place the blame on Kalil when it's clearly on Joe Webb.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
I think the play that DudeWhat?? is referring to is the strip sack in which Clay Matthews beat Kalil around the outside and then Joe Webb backed up right into a sack.

Matthews did beat Kalil off the ball but he recovered enough to push him around the pocket. Webb, instead of climbing the pocket, backed up right into him. He's trying to place the blame on Kalil when it's clearly on Joe Webb.


That is what I figured, but even then, Webb did nothing to step up in the pocket as QBs should when he had a clear throwing lane. Most LTs will give up sacks in that situation simply because what Webb did was so fundamentally flawed, he left his LT out to dry.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
I think the play that DudeWhat?? is referring to is the strip sack in which Clay Matthews beat Kalil around the outside and then Joe Webb backed up right into a sack.

Matthews did beat Kalil off the ball but he recovered enough to push him around the pocket. Webb, instead of climbing the pocket, backed up right into him. He's trying to place the blame on Kalil when it's clearly on Joe Webb.


no..you move up in the pocket..but that was closed off..and like you said..as he moved backed..like he should have been doing..he feel over both Kahlil and Matthews..
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vikingsrule wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
I think the play that DudeWhat?? is referring to is the strip sack in which Clay Matthews beat Kalil around the outside and then Joe Webb backed up right into a sack.

Matthews did beat Kalil off the ball but he recovered enough to push him around the pocket. Webb, instead of climbing the pocket, backed up right into him. He's trying to place the blame on Kalil when it's clearly on Joe Webb.


That is what I figured, but even then, Webb did nothing to step up in the pocket as QBs should when he had a clear throwing lane. Most LTs will give up sacks in that situation simply because what Webb did was so fundamentally flawed, he left his LT out to dry.


What? There were no throwing lanes on that play..thats why he was backing up..

Why im going back and forth with vikings fans..last time you guys were in the playoffs ..who was the quaterback? lol..lets not even go there..because you just drafted him twice..only this time higher..

Damn i use to love yall in the 90's lol oh well..
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is there a full moon tonight or something...?
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