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CaliforniaKid7
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 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: Pistol Offense |
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Sorry if this could go in another thread.
But anyway, what's your thoughts on us running some pistol offense next year?
Not as our primary offense but just a package and or wrinkle. Depending on if we keep Palmer it could have a big or small role.
In my opinion Pryor, McFadden, and Reece are greats parts to tide for a pistol Offense. Plus Jacoby and Moore. I hope we bein in a OC who isn't afraid to try new things and adapt to our playmakers.
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Chali21
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I think that we could cash in on the pistol offense but at the end of the day it can't be relied on full time or else we'd be like Miami a few years ago with the wildcat.
We also need to get a creative OC to draw it up for our guys. |
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CaliforniaKid7
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Chali21 wrote: | I think that we could cash in on the pistol offense but at the end of the day it can't be relied on full time or else we'd be like Miami a few years ago with the wildcat.
We also need to get a creative OC to draw it up for our guys. |
Why do people compare it to the Wildcat? They're nothing alike. You do know the Pistol uses a QB, right? It's not like we rely on McFadden to throw the ball. We can run most of our I formation plays our of it.
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Bo_Spice
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The 49ers have been using a variation of the pistol since Kapernick took over and it's been really successful.
The pistol is nothing like the wildcat.
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NCOUGHMAN
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| CaliforniaKid7 wrote: | | Chali21 wrote: | I think that we could cash in on the pistol offense but at the end of the day it can't be relied on full time or else we'd be like Miami a few years ago with the wildcat.
We also need to get a creative OC to draw it up for our guys. |
Why do people compare it to the Wildcat? They're nothing alike. You do know the Pistol uses a QB, right? It's not like we rely on McFadden to throw the ball. We can run most of our I formation plays our of it. |
which oc's know/run the pistol?
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Bo_Spice
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | which oc's know/run the pistol? |
Chris Ault created the pistol offense and recently stepped down at Nevada.
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CaliforniaKid7
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | CaliforniaKid7 wrote: | | Chali21 wrote: | I think that we could cash in on the pistol offense but at the end of the day it can't be relied on full time or else we'd be like Miami a few years ago with the wildcat.
We also need to get a creative OC to draw it up for our guys. |
Why do people compare it to the Wildcat? They're nothing alike. You do know the Pistol uses a QB, right? It's not like we rely on McFadden to throw the ball. We can run most of our I formation plays our of it. |
which oc's know/run the pistol? |
That what I want to know. I don't think there are any OC that we are looking at that know the Pistol.
In a perfect world, if we were going with TP next year, we bring In Chris Ault as an Offensive consultant or assist coach and let him teach TP and the OC how to use it effectively.
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ZoomWaffle
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| CaliforniaKid7 wrote: | | Chali21 wrote: | I think that we could cash in on the pistol offense but at the end of the day it can't be relied on full time or else we'd be like Miami a few years ago with the wildcat.
We also need to get a creative OC to draw it up for our guys. |
Why do people compare it to the Wildcat? They're nothing alike. You do know the Pistol uses a QB, right? It's not like we rely on McFadden to throw the ball. We can run most of our I formation plays our of it. |
Nobody is confusing the pistol with the wildact in terms of similarities- it's that both could be considered fads. At first, the Wildcat, Tebow, even Newton and their offense to an extent, were pretty successful because they've never been seen, therefore defenses were learning to defend them with one week to prepare. After seeing it for an entire season, DCs learn how to defend it and it becomes less effective. Although I feel the pistol is something that could work long term because unlike the wildcat, the pistol poses a real and ever present threat of a QB passing.
With that said, I would be ok with some pistol formations. I want any formation that will have McFadden, Goodson and Reece in the same backfield. All three can run, all three can catch, and if Pryor is at QB, that adds another wrinkle. I'm still not confident in Pryor being a starter, though. |
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NCOUGHMAN
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| Bo_Spice wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | which oc's know/run the pistol? |
Chris Ault created the pistol offense and recently stepped down at Nevada. |
didnt kaep go to nevada?
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CaliforniaKid7
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Bo_Spice wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | which oc's know/run the pistol? |
Chris Ault created the pistol offense and recently stepped down at Nevada. |
didnt kaep go to nevada? |
Yes sur
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big_palooka
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A yes. Let's run the recent gimmick offense or better yet, lets just go back to 5 years ago's gimmick and run the wildcat.
No gimmicks please! They all have a shelf life.
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Nodisrespect
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| Chris Ault sounds good but I'm not sure he created it. Warren moon and Jim Kelly ran it in the 90's. Maybe he innovated it. |
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Nodisrespect
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| big_palooka wrote: | A yes. Let's run the recent gimmick offense or better yet, lets just go back to 5 years ago's gimmick and run the wildca
No gimmicks please! They all have a shelf life. |
what about in combination? It could give defenses trouble in the interim while we train a qb .v. who still needs work.
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CaliforniaKid7
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| big_palooka wrote: | A yes. Let's run the recent gimmick offense or better yet, lets just go back to 5 years ago's gimmick and run the wildcat.
No gimmicks please! They all have a shelf life. |
Do people get that offenses can do more than one thing? We can have more thnks one playbook. It doesn't have to be pistol or bust.
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Bo_Spice
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| Nodisrespect wrote: | | Chris Ault sounds good but I'm not sure he created it. Warren moon and Jim Kelly ran it in the 90's. Maybe he innovated it. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_offense
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