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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | MrDrew wrote: | | RainbowCarebear wrote: | | Give us your 1st and 2nd and you can have Joeckel. |
Why would anybody want a guy that's seriously flawed early in any draft? |
Just wondering Drew, what games do you think he showed these gigantic flaws in? I certainly see some, such as him letting guys into his body, but not all these ones you see. Also, it is funny, because others see more issue with Lewan's technique.  |
To be fair he accurately saw flaws a lot of folks didn't see in Jonathan Martin this time last year too - when many people were projecting Martin as a Top 10-15 pick.
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| The LBC wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | MrDrew wrote: | | RainbowCarebear wrote: | | Give us your 1st and 2nd and you can have Joeckel. |
Why would anybody want a guy that's seriously flawed early in any draft? |
Just wondering Drew, what games do you think he showed these gigantic flaws in? I certainly see some, such as him letting guys into his body, but not all these ones you see. Also, it is funny, because others see more issue with Lewan's technique. |
To be fair he accurately saw flaws a lot of folks didn't see in Jonathan Martin this time last year too - when many people were projecting Martin as a Top 10-15 pick. |
That is true. I was just wondering.
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| CalhounLambeau wrote: | I know Jared Gaither hasn't always been above board, but you try being almost 6'10" 350 pounds and play a sport you have to bend at the knees...back problems can be unbelievable to deal with...not to mention when it comes to back problems there are many instances where pain/conditions are unable to be determined/treated. Back problems are the worst.
Oh, and how as someone as terrible as Jaromey Clary been able to play so long? Unreal. |
Just one more reason AJ Smith is currently unemployed. |
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I've never seen this many Chargers fans in one thread.
Is there solid proof this guy is "loafing" it?
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| GeneralTso wrote: | I've never seen this many Chargers fans in one thread.
Is there solid proof this guy is "loafing" it? |
It really doesn't matter anymore. The locker room has completely turned on him. They obviously feel pretty strongly he is by some of the quotes in the article. No way you can keep a guy around that nobody trusts.
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| MrDrew wrote: | | GeneralTso wrote: | I've never seen this many Chargers fans in one thread.
Is there solid proof this guy is "loafing" it? |
It really doesn't matter anymore. The locker room has completely turned on him. They obviously feel pretty strongly he is by some of the quotes in the article. No way you can keep a guy around that nobody trusts. |
Got to figure it doesn't help that there's 4-5 of his former teammates (Jarret Johnson, Le'Ron McClain, Antwan Barnes, and Chris Carr were all with him on the Ravens; McClain and DeMorrio Williams were teammates of Gaither's on the Chiefs) currently on our roster.
The guy's had this reputation follow him to now 3 different teams and his reputation at Maryland was always that he "a great player... when he wants to play". I'd say where there's smoke, there's fire. He can go pound sand for all I care.
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | MrDrew wrote: | | RainbowCarebear wrote: | | Give us your 1st and 2nd and you can have Joeckel. |
Why would anybody want a guy that's seriously flawed early in any draft? |
Just wondering Drew, what games do you think he showed these gigantic flaws in? I certainly see some, such as him letting guys into his body, but not all these ones you see. Also, it is funny, because others see more issue with Lewan's technique. |
Letting guys into your body as an OT isn't necessarily a flaw.
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| jrry32 wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | MrDrew wrote: | | RainbowCarebear wrote: | | Give us your 1st and 2nd and you can have Joeckel. |
Why would anybody want a guy that's seriously flawed early in any draft? |
Just wondering Drew, what games do you think he showed these gigantic flaws in? I certainly see some, such as him letting guys into his body, but not all these ones you see. Also, it is funny, because others see more issue with Lewan's technique. |
Letting guys into your body as an OT isn't necessarily a flaw. |
No, but I see where he's coming from and I think CWood was right on with the (eventual) Michael Roos comparison.
Once Joeckel has the opportunity to gain "pro strength" (i.e. a pro-level S&C program for a year), it won't make as much a difference. He does make some technical errors (half the time they look like failed tactical gambles) where he forfeits the best position to gain proper leverage on his assignment for one that doesn't end up being the better. Roos ended up being able to account for that with an improve anchor and noticeably increased upper-body strength from Y1 to Y2 and Y3... along with being coached better on when to give that soft-shoulder and when not. It's going to depend on what OL coach Joeckel ends up with to determine whether or not he'll be able to follow the same path. Even then, I'd still like to see a "meaner" attitude from him.
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| CalhounLambeau wrote: | I know Jared Gaither hasn't always been above board, but you try being almost 6'10" 350 pounds and play a sport you have to bend at the knees...back problems can be unbelievable to deal with...not to mention when it comes to back problems there are many instances where pain/conditions are unable to be determined/treated. Back problems are the worst.
Oh, and how as someone as terrible as Jaromey Clary been able to play so long? Unreal. |
Gaither has access to some of the best doctors in the world -- and they haven't been able to find any sort of cause of the "pain" for years. The dude is lazy. It's incredible how his pain goes away when he needs a contract and comes back once it's signed. And with the Ravens his back was fine and dandy, he gets moved to RT and all of the sudden it's there.
The guy is a joke. All the talent and potential in the world, but doesn't want to work.
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | The guy is a joke. All the talent and potential in the world, but doesn't want to work. |
Always sad to see a players career fizzle out for this reason.
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While he is a big fella and that has to put pressure on his back and knees given his line of work, I have a feeling lack of want to play and work ethic are more of a factor here.
If he has this reputation already and the locker room turned on him, going to a different team is the most likely outcome but that stigma is going to follow him around for awhile.
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I think it means 1st round LT, which it should have meant that last year. That's good news for the offense, especially Rivers
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| YlionsY wrote: | While he is a big fella and that has to put pressure on his back and knees given his line of work, I have a feeling lack of want to play and work ethic are more of a factor here.
If he has this reputation already and the locker room turned on him, going to a different team is the most likely outcome but that stigma is going to follow him around for awhile. |
i agree with this. I think it's sad as well. He played at umd, I live 20 minutes from the campus and I remember most of us redskins fans wanted to sign him a few off seasons ago when the ravens have up on him because frankly, we didn't have any better options. There were a few who didn't because of his back and the reports that are coming out about his lack of motivation. So, I'm glad we didn't sign him. Of Course we got Jamaal Brown and his bad hip who's been nothing but a walking injury for two draft picks from the saints and we re-signed him to a new contract that is killing us right now, so in that way- maybe Gaither would have been the better option. 
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| jrry32 wrote: | | Letting guys into your body as an OT isn't necessarily a flaw. |
Ummm... What?
Letting guys into your body as an OT is one of the worst things you can do. You give up all leverage. A guy that lets DL into his body is getting pushed backwards.
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| YlionsY wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | The guy is a joke. All the talent and potential in the world, but doesn't want to work. |
Always sad to see a players career fizzle out for this reason. |
I don't think it is sad. It is a shame the guy didn't want to work a little. Dude was really good without trying much, if he actually cared he could have been downright dominant.
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