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ZoomWaffle


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lechler is a fan favorite, long-time Raider, and a great punter, but this is without a doubt the right time to move on. 1) He costs 3 x as much as your average punter- and double most of the the good ones 2) We have a good punter waiting on the IR/PS to take over. Punter is absolutely an important position, but considering we need help at so many areas that have a larger impact on the game, it would be extremely unwise to resign Lechler at the cost of signing a starting G, T, DT, DE, LB, or CB- because thats what we would sacrifice by keeping him. Lechler is great, I hate to see him go, but the time is right. A rebuilding team cant afford to pay a punter $4M a year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone else excited by how athletic he is as well? He will be a threat for an abundance of fake punts in critical situations.

As great as Lechler has been, $4m is too much for a punter. We are making some good moves in the right direction.


Generally punters aren't used as the fakes in a fake punt. If he gets licked then you are down a punter for the rest of the game.

Normally its the personal protector.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

91jmay wrote:
Dat Raider wrote:
Anyone else excited by how athletic he is as well? He will be a threat for an abundance of fake punts in critical situations.

As great as Lechler has been, $4m is too much for a punter. We are making some good moves in the right direction.


Generally punters aren't used as the fakes in a fake punt. If he gets licked then you are down a punter for the rest of the game.

Normally its the personal protector.


True, aside from fake punt passes, in which case Lechler might be the best in the biz for that, seeing as he is a former QB.
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#RaiderNation go follow the latest addition to the silver and black my boy @JohnnyJonesIII.


Jones is a DT who was on the Packers PS at some point.
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#RaiderNation go follow the latest addition to the silver and black my boy @JohnnyJonesIII.


Jones is a DT who was on the Packers PS at some point.


Interesting. 6'4 321lbs was on injured reserve this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="OakRaiders3828"]King is OBSESSED with punting the football. I have no doubts that he'll improve. So he shanked a punt in pre season action as a rookie? What's the difference between that and a rookie WR dropping a pass, or a rookie CB getting burnt? They get a pass, it happens. He showed enough potential to get an opportunity to battle it out for the starting spot.[/quote]

Based on what exactly? How would anyone know that. Laughing Laughing
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[quote="OakRaiders3828"]King is OBSESSED with punting the football. I have no doubts that he'll improve. So he shanked a punt in pre season action as a rookie? What's the difference between that and a rookie WR dropping a pass, or a rookie CB getting burnt? They get a pass, it happens. He showed enough potential to get an opportunity to battle it out for the starting spot.


Based on what exactly? How would anyone know that. Laughing Laughing[/quote]

Articles I read when we signed him. I'll post links when I'm out of work.
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Not to mention in his interview when he said at college he'd go sneak on to the field and punt until he got tired while everyone else was partying, and I read some other article about him getting up at sunrise or being up until midnight just practicing punting because he loves it so much. It shows too, I've never seen someone so excited over a pre season punt lol. He says it's a stress reliever.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZoomWaffle wrote:
Lechler is a fan favorite, long-time Raider, and a great punter, but this is without a doubt the right time to move on. 1) He costs 3 x as much as your average punter- and double most of the the good ones 2) We have a good punter waiting on the IR/PS to take over. Punter is absolutely an important position, but considering we need help at so many areas that have a larger impact on the game, it would be extremely unwise to resign Lechler at the cost of signing a starting G, T, DT, DE, LB, or CB- because thats what we would sacrifice by keeping him. Lechler is great, I hate to see him go, but the time is right. A rebuilding team cant afford to pay a punter $4M a year.


This, great post!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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#RaiderNation go follow the latest addition to the silver and black my boy @JohnnyJonesIII.


Jones is a DT who was on the Packers PS at some point.


Can he be the smarter version of Travis Ivey?
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RaiderX wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
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Brandian Ross ‏@BrandianRoss
#RaiderNation go follow the latest addition to the silver and black my boy @JohnnyJonesIII.


Jones is a DT who was on the Packers PS at some point.


Can he be the smarter version of Travis Ivey?


Laughing

what ever happened to T.I.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCOUGHMAN wrote:
RaiderX wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
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Brandian Ross ‏@BrandianRoss
#RaiderNation go follow the latest addition to the silver and black my boy @JohnnyJonesIII.


Jones is a DT who was on the Packers PS at some point.


Can he be the smarter version of Travis Ivey?


Laughing

what ever happened to T.I.


Not sure. But K. Heard has been getting playing time and didnt look half bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Big leg but he also hit some awful ones in preseason. Lechler has had a down year though, is 37 and we need the cap space.

If he came back at around half his current deal I'd be all in but $4 million per is to much loot.


No coming back, time to move on.
King looked in preseason just like Lechler looked all season long this year. Big inconsistent leg lacking any other skills such as directional kicking.


Lechler had knee surgery in the offseason. It clearly effected him.

Raider fans want King because of 'swagger'. I loath the fact that 'swagger' has become a qualifying attribute for fans to fall in love with.


I want him because he's younger, won't cost 4 million, and showed good potential.


Exactly. I don't think swagger has anything to do with anything at this point. If we can sign a DT or CB with the money we save on Lechler not being back then that is more important than anything else.
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Can anyone name the starting punter for the last five super bowl winners without googling it?


Weatherford, Mastay, Morstead, Sepulveda, Feagles, Hunter Smith

I think I have them Can't remember if Feagles was with the Giants still in '08.

But we get the point. You don't pay 4 million for a punter. That's Davis's doing.

But it's hard to land a consistent kicker/punter in this game. They slump and it can be ugly at times.


You get an improved defense and the punter thing is moot.
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