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KamTrus20
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| Entropy wrote: | | KamTrus20 wrote: | Chris Gocong's best season was in the 34 as an inside linebacker.
I am on the side that says we need to stick with the 43, but the next person who says he cannot fit the 34 defense should lose all credibility IMO. |
I agree Kam. The problem is DQ, who has shown he can't play either ILB position in the 3-4. |
I think DQ is overrated in a 43 so yeah I would hate him in a 34.
Like I said I am on the 43 side of the arguement. I was just definding my guy Gocong who a lot of Browns fans don't really appreciate or understand how good he actually has been here. So many act like he is a crap linebacker and some even wanted him cut for the longest time. Now he is hurt and every acts like he has no future.
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I would rather get kicked in the nuts by a horse than go back to the 3-4.
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Dropkick_pride
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This is just all opinion of course... Im not trying bust your balls  Just offering a counter viewpoint.
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34 DE's
93 Hughes, John DT 6-2 320 24 R Cincinnati
90 Winn, Billy DL 6-4 295 23 R Boise State
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34 NT's
71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 26 5 Iowa State
98 Taylor, Phillip DL 6-3 335 24 2 Baylor
34 ILB's
52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 29 7 Maryland
-- (and I think he should be playing 43 WILL, dont like him as a 34 ILB)
51 Gocong, Chris LB 6-2 263 29 7 Cal Poly
50 Johnson, James-M. LB 6-1 240 23 R Nevada
94 Carder, Tank LB 6-2 240 23 R Texas Christian
34 OLB's
97 Sheard, Jabaal DL 6-2 255 23 2 Pittsburgh
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Rucker - dont think can translate successfully.
Kitchen - I dont believe he can be the primary rotation player at NT for that many snaps, and that forces Hughes into the N position even if he can play beside Rubin.
Acho - cut/PS
Davis, English, Stephens, Adams, Elmore - none are quality players, and I do not think any should even be #2s on the depth chart at OLB.
In the end I think the team would need a couple 3-4 DEs and a whole lot of help at OLB... and pray that Sheard and everyone else can all successfully translate.
I think the strength of this team is the DL, not the LBs... that does not suit switching to a 3-4.
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ditchdigger
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | From the official roster. If a change was made 43 to 34
34 DE's
92 Rucker, Frostee DE 6-3 280 29 7 USC
98 Taylor, Phillip DL 6-3 335 24 2 Baylor
90 Winn, Billy DL 6-4 295 23 R Boise State
93 Hughes, John DT 6-2 320 24 R Cincinnati
34 NT's
67 Kitchen, Ishmaa'ily DL 6-1 330 24 R Kent State
71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 26 5 Iowa State
34 ILB's
52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 29 7 Maryland
59 Acho, Emmanuel LB 6-1 240 22 R Texas
51 Gocong, Chris LB 6-2 263 29 7 Cal Poly
50 Johnson, James-M. LB 6-1 240 23 R Nevada
94 Carder, Tank LB 6-2 240 23 R Texas Christian
34 OLB's
97 Sheard, Jabaal DL 6-2 255 23 2 Pittsburgh
91 Davis, Hall DL 6-4 270 25 1 LA-Lafayette
94 English, Auston DL 6-3 250 25 2 Oklahoma
96 Stephens, Emmanuel DL 6-3 255 25 2 Mississippi
65 Adams, Kendrick DL 6-5 250 24 R Louisiana State
64 Elmore, Ricky DL 6-5 255 24 1 Arizona
Look ma no new FA's or draft picks even. |
Now just wave your magic wand, and they will all immediately perform at the same -or higher - level in the system they weren't signed or drafted to play in. The two years of concepts, responsibilities and trust built all go back to square one.
Hopefully the men in charge of the decision aren't as naive. |
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candyman93
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| ditchdigger wrote: | | The two years of concepts, responsibilities and trust built all go back to square one. |
what do you think is going to happen once we get a new d coordinator?
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| candyman93 wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | The two years of concepts, responsibilities and trust built all go back to square one. |
what do you think is going to happen once we get a new d coordinator? |
but but but....... it's not fair to use logic against ditch
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Entropy
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| candyman93 wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | The two years of concepts, responsibilities and trust built all go back to square one. |
what do you think is going to happen once we get a new d coordinator? |
Well, if he's a 4-3 DC, he wont ask the players to play positions they have zero experience playing.
If he's a 3-4 DC, he will.
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DawgSoldier
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| Entropy wrote: | | candyman93 wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | The two years of concepts, responsibilities and trust built all go back to square one. |
what do you think is going to happen once we get a new d coordinator? |
Well, if he's a 4-3 DC, he wont ask the players to play positions they have zero experience playing.
If he's a 3-4 DC, he will. |
they have run a 3 man line in a lot of passing situations this year. So Zero is little low on the experiance skill.
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | candyman93 wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | The two years of concepts, responsibilities and trust built all go back to square one. |
what do you think is going to happen once we get a new d coordinator? |
Well, if he's a 4-3 DC, he wont ask the players to play positions they have zero experience playing.
If he's a 3-4 DC, he will. |
they have run a 3 man line in a lot of passing situations this year. So Zero is little low on the experiance skill. |
We run a 3 man line in prevent, it's entirely different.
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| Entropy wrote: | | bulldog wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | Dropkick_pride wrote: | omg not this again.... 
some are just too thick headed. |
Yes, the thick-headed ignore points that contradict them and misdirect with comments about the individuals making the points instead of the points themselves.
There are 4 gaps between the tackles, right?
There are 3 linemen right?
Someone is playing 2 gaps right? |
The gap system refers to the DEs.
In either 34 system, the NT is responsible for both A gaps. |
Except for the site he gave me as proof of this "one gap" 34, had the RDE playing 2 gaps. |
I don't know what site your talking about, I must have missed that conversation.
But the DE can play either gap. But in the one gap system, the DE will only play one at a time. "shooting the gap" type, like HOU and SF.
in a 2 gap, the DE is responsible for maintaining his spot and controlling the OL and the gaps on either side every play. "staying at home"
Its very difficult to find DE's to fit the 2 gap 23 system, the Crennel tried to install here.
A one gap system would be much easier to install, but take a good play calling coach.
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first pick next year this probably the weekest year for linebackers in ten years.
also we would have to give away are 4-3 lineman |
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ditchdigger
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| candyman93 wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | The two years of concepts, responsibilities and trust built all go back to square one. |
what do you think is going to happen once we get a new d coordinator? |
Jauron is still with the team, and likely will continue to be. There is no need to completely overhaul this defense.
If a 4-3 is still ran, many of the concepts and responsibilities will remain the same. It's not a wholesale change like switching to a 3-4.
Unless someone produces that magic trick that makes 4-3 players just as good in a 3-4. If that's the case, by all means tinker away with something that ain't broke. |
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| ditchdigger wrote: | | candyman93 wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | The two years of concepts, responsibilities and trust built all go back to square one. |
what do you think is going to happen once we get a new d coordinator? |
Jauron is still with the team, and likely will continue to be. There is no need to completely overhaul this defense.
If a 4-3 is still ran, many of the concepts and responsibilities will remain the same. It's not a wholesale change like switching to a 3-4.
Unless someone produces that magic trick that makes 4-3 players just as good in a 3-4. If that's the case, by all means tinker away with something that ain't broke. |
it's called a hybrid
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| Quote: | | and likely will continue to be |
Based on what?
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