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Dropkick_pride


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
From the official roster. If a change was made 43 to 34

34 DE's
92 Rucker, Frostee DE 6-3 280 29 7 USC
98 Taylor, Phillip DL 6-3 335 24 2 Baylor
90 Winn, Billy DL 6-4 295 23 R Boise State
93 Hughes, John DT 6-2 320 24 R Cincinnati

34 NT's
67 Kitchen, Ishmaa'ily DL 6-1 330 24 R Kent State
71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 26 5 Iowa State

34 ILB's
52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 29 7 Maryland
59 Acho, Emmanuel LB 6-1 240 22 R Texas
51 Gocong, Chris LB 6-2 263 29 7 Cal Poly
50 Johnson, James-M. LB 6-1 240 23 R Nevada
94 Carder, Tank LB 6-2 240 23 R Texas Christian

34 OLB's
97 Sheard, Jabaal DL 6-2 255 23 2 Pittsburgh
91 Davis, Hall DL 6-4 270 25 1 LA-Lafayette
94 English, Auston DL 6-3 250 25 2 Oklahoma
96 Stephens, Emmanuel DL 6-3 255 25 2 Mississippi
65 Adams, Kendrick DL 6-5 250 24 R Louisiana State
64 Elmore, Ricky DL 6-5 255 24 1 Arizona

Look ma no new FA's or draft picks even.




might look good to you on paper, but I see a lot of practice squad and non-starting caliber players... plus who wont or cant transfer to the new system.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Gocong's best season was in the 34 as an inside linebacker.

I am on the side that says we need to stick with the 43, but the next person who says he cannot fit the 34 defense should lose all credibility IMO.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chris Gocong's best season was in the 34 as an inside linebacker.

I am on the side that says we need to stick with the 43, but the next person who says he cannot fit the 34 defense should lose all credibility IMO.


he cannot fit the 34 defense....




just kidding. haha He is one of the people I worry less about. And his best season is 2013 as a SAM in our 4-3.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chris Gocong's best season was in the 34 as an inside linebacker.

I am on the side that says we need to stick with the 43, but the next person who says he cannot fit the 34 defense should lose all credibility IMO.


Agreed on both points.

Well that was quick we agreed for once this year. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
From the official roster. If a change was made 43 to 34

34 DE's
92 Rucker, Frostee DE 6-3 280 29 7 USC
98 Taylor, Phillip DL 6-3 335 24 2 Baylor
90 Winn, Billy DL 6-4 295 23 R Boise State
93 Hughes, John DT 6-2 320 24 R Cincinnati

34 NT's
67 Kitchen, Ishmaa'ily DL 6-1 330 24 R Kent State
71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 26 5 Iowa State

34 ILB's
52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 29 7 Maryland
59 Acho, Emmanuel LB 6-1 240 22 R Texas
51 Gocong, Chris LB 6-2 263 29 7 Cal Poly
50 Johnson, James-M. LB 6-1 240 23 R Nevada
94 Carder, Tank LB 6-2 240 23 R Texas Christian

34 OLB's
97 Sheard, Jabaal DL 6-2 255 23 2 Pittsburgh
91 Davis, Hall DL 6-4 270 25 1 LA-Lafayette
94 English, Auston DL 6-3 250 25 2 Oklahoma
96 Stephens, Emmanuel DL 6-3 255 25 2 Mississippi
65 Adams, Kendrick DL 6-5 250 24 R Louisiana State
64 Elmore, Ricky DL 6-5 255 24 1 Arizona

Look ma no new FA's or draft picks even.


Phil Taylor is not a DE, The OLB group is flat out terrible and we lose 2 of our best young depth linebackers in Robertson and Fort in your scenario. Don't like it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dropkick_pride wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
From the official roster. If a change was made 43 to 34

34 DE's
92 Rucker, Frostee DE 6-3 280 29 7 USC
98 Taylor, Phillip DL 6-3 335 24 2 Baylor
90 Winn, Billy DL 6-4 295 23 R Boise State
93 Hughes, John DT 6-2 320 24 R Cincinnati

34 NT's
67 Kitchen, Ishmaa'ily DL 6-1 330 24 R Kent State
71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 26 5 Iowa State

34 ILB's
52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 29 7 Maryland
59 Acho, Emmanuel LB 6-1 240 22 R Texas
51 Gocong, Chris LB 6-2 263 29 7 Cal Poly
50 Johnson, James-M. LB 6-1 240 23 R Nevada
94 Carder, Tank LB 6-2 240 23 R Texas Christian

34 OLB's
97 Sheard, Jabaal DL 6-2 255 23 2 Pittsburgh
91 Davis, Hall DL 6-4 270 25 1 LA-Lafayette
94 English, Auston DL 6-3 250 25 2 Oklahoma
96 Stephens, Emmanuel DL 6-3 255 25 2 Mississippi
65 Adams, Kendrick DL 6-5 250 24 R Louisiana State
64 Elmore, Ricky DL 6-5 255 24 1 Arizona

Look ma no new FA's or draft picks even.




might look good to you on paper, but I see a lot of practice squad and non-starting caliber players... plus who wont or cant transfer to the new system.


Yes, but like I said at the bottom, that is without free agency and the Draft to supplement the D.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
From the official roster. If a change was made 43 to 34

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Look ma no new FA's or draft picks even.


Phil Taylor is not a DE, The OLB group is flat out terrible and we lose 2 of our best young depth linebackers in Robertson and Fort in your scenario. Don't like it.


Yes, depending upon how you look at it the Browns have 3 NTs and only 3 DEs...

Im not even sure Sheard would make a good OLB.... and the rest plain suck.

I am a firm believer that the strength of the current defense is the DL. The strength of the 3-4 is the LBs.... This move does not favor this team.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could make the transition. I just don't see a reason to rock the boat if we don't have to. Talent generally transcends scheme. But the problem as I see it is guys who are fringe who can be made better by scheme may be lost in the move.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
From the official roster. If a change was made 43 to 34

...

Look ma no new FA's or draft picks even.


might look good to you on paper, but I see a lot of practice squad and non-starting caliber players... plus who wont or cant transfer to the new system.


Yes, but like I said at the bottom, that is without free agency and the Draft to supplement the D.


Just looks like it creates more problems than it solves to me....

It only takes one or two of those players to drop in production or worse fail in the transition and this defense takes yet another step back.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
From the official roster. If a change was made 43 to 34

34 DE's
92 Rucker, Frostee DE 6-3 280 29 7 USC
98 Taylor, Phillip DL 6-3 335 24 2 Baylor
90 Winn, Billy DL 6-4 295 23 R Boise State
93 Hughes, John DT 6-2 320 24 R Cincinnati

34 NT's
67 Kitchen, Ishmaa'ily DL 6-1 330 24 R Kent State
71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 26 5 Iowa State

34 ILB's
52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 29 7 Maryland
59 Acho, Emmanuel LB 6-1 240 22 R Texas
51 Gocong, Chris LB 6-2 263 29 7 Cal Poly
50 Johnson, James-M. LB 6-1 240 23 R Nevada
94 Carder, Tank LB 6-2 240 23 R Texas Christian

34 OLB's
97 Sheard, Jabaal DL 6-2 255 23 2 Pittsburgh
91 Davis, Hall DL 6-4 270 25 1 LA-Lafayette
94 English, Auston DL 6-3 250 25 2 Oklahoma
96 Stephens, Emmanuel DL 6-3 255 25 2 Mississippi
65 Adams, Kendrick DL 6-5 250 24 R Louisiana State
64 Elmore, Ricky DL 6-5 255 24 1 Arizona

Look ma no new FA's or draft picks even.


Phil Taylor is not a DE, The OLB group is flat out terrible and we lose 2 of our best young depth linebackers in Robertson and Fort in your scenario. Don't like it.


You don't like it because you don't think Taylor can play 34 DE Ngata style and the Browns would lose possibly 2 udfa so so 43 LB's that possibly make the transition? Really?

Were going to have a new DC most likely anyways and folks are gonna get lost in the shuffle. IF fort and Robinson are the only roster casulties we will be lucky.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Phil Taylor is not a DE, The OLB group is flat out terrible and we lose 2 of our best young depth linebackers in Robertson and Fort in your scenario. Don't like it.


Exactly. Taylor is not athletic enough to play outside, even when we put Rogers there a little bit it wasn't successful. Too many NT's, no established OLB's.

We are a couple pieces away on defense in the 4-3, it would be such a waste switching back.
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I don't like it because it drastically hurts the depth of the defense and takes away one of the best players strenghts.

The best scheme for this team is 43 by a country mile.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You don't like it because you don't think Taylor can play 34 DE Ngata style and the Browns would lose possibly 2 udfa so so 43 LB's that possibly make the transition.


Ngata is an exception, not a rule.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
I don't like it because it drastically hurts the depth of the defense and takes away one of the best players strenghts.

The best scheme for this team is 43 by a country mile.


it didn't say it wasn't. I just said a switch to the 34 could be done realitively easy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
Chris Gocong's best season was in the 34 as an inside linebacker.

I am on the side that says we need to stick with the 43, but the next person who says he cannot fit the 34 defense should lose all credibility IMO.


I agree Kam. The problem is DQ, who has shown he can't play either ILB position in the 3-4.
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