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marky_b27
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| TRUTH wrote: | | RollEagles wrote: | I agree that if one coaching regime drafted 2 guards in 3 years in the first round, it would seem a little suspect.
But our situation is very different. The precious coaching regime took a big swing and miss with Danny Watkins. We don't know if Mathis is a fit for the new offense. Based upon whether he is or not, guard could become a need.
Beggars can't be choosers. Our offensive line needs at least 1 new player. It can be solved with either a guard or tackle. Herremans is a manageable tackle. Regardless, I don't know how much of a role Mathis or Herremans will have once we are out of the rebuilding phase. |
The OL is not the end all be all for success. Look at Cleveland, they have one of the best lines in the game, and Green Bay gave up the most sacks this year.
One great OL, with average surrounding players 5-11
One average OL, with great surrounding players 11-5
You have to build your line, but there are more important needs. |
And the big difference between those two - a franchise QB. That's why that should be #1 on our list.
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Bednarik60
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| marky_b27 wrote: | | While interior linemen are becoming more important, we just don't need to draft one for the sake of it to start immediately. |
Specially when you have a overwhelming lack of quality ball handled and defenders who are suppose to stop those who are handling the ball.
That would be embarrassing.  And i dont care where other guards have been taken in the 1st round, when you are roster is garbage , guards dont win you football games.
Get guys who can get open and catch the ball or guys who stop guys from catch it.. or keep pushing for a playoff caliber defensive line to make everything in the back 7 work more smoothly/natural. Still think it makes more sense to go free agency here and i think they will, if its not a RG or RT they could look at a Center to.
Anything in the 1st -2nd rounds but a guard center kicker RB and i would even put tackle there unless a cream my jort talent was sitting in front of us in the 2nd round.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| RollEagles wrote: | I agree that if one coaching regime drafted 2 guards in 3 years in the first round, it would seem a little suspect.
But our situation is very different. The precious coaching regime took a big swing and miss with Danny Watkins. We don't know if Mathis is a fit for the new offense. Based upon whether he is or not, guard could become a need.
Beggars can't be choosers. Our offensive line needs at least 1 new player. It can be solved with either a guard or tackle. Herremans is a manageable tackle. Regardless, I don't know how much of a role Mathis or Herremans will have once we are out of the rebuilding phase. |
We can't just replace Mathis with a rookie, that'd be foolish. We shouldn't replace the few starters who played well with rookies just because we're rebuilding, that would set us back even more.
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Remixxxxxxx
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| Quote: | | Anything in the 1st -2nd rounds but a guard center kicker RB and i would even put tackle there unless a cream my jort talent was sitting in front of us in the 2nd round. |
If we're taking a guard in the first two rounds, he better be able to swing out to tackle as well, that's why I love Dallas Thomas so much. He has the ability to play four spots on the offensive line.
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marky_b27
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In my opinion, I think center needs more consideration that guard.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| marky_b27 wrote: | | In my opinion, I think center needs more consideration that guard. |
lets just take Warmack, Fluker and Barrett Jones. Run 30+ times per game.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| marky_b27 wrote: | | In my opinion, I think center needs more consideration that guard. |
I wouldn't go that far, but it certainly still is a question mark
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I think that most people are forgetting that the most important attribute of an offensive line is chemistry and continuity. Sure, its nice to have 5 studs across the board, but without chemistry and cohesiveness you got nothin but 5 guys who play for themselves and aren't on the same page with the guys directly to their right and left and don't achieve the intangible success that's essential to an elite offensive line unit. Our shambled o-line at the end of this season was playing with the same low quality players all year long. Why were they looking better and better at year's end? Continuity and chemistry. Its almost the only thing that matters on an OL.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Eagles_808 wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | | In my opinion, I think center needs more consideration that guard. |
lets just take Warmack, Fluker and Barrett Jones. Run 30+ times per game. |
I'd put my money on Travis Frederick over Barret Jones. |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | Anything in the 1st -2nd rounds but a guard center kicker RB and i would even put tackle there unless a cream my jort talent was sitting in front of us in the 2nd round. |
If we're taking a guard in the first two rounds, he better be able to swing out to tackle as well, that's why I love Dallas Thomas so much. He has the ability to play four spots on the offensive line. |
I would be pretty happy with Thomas with our second round pick.
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| Hammertime52 wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | | In my opinion, I think center needs more consideration that guard. |
I wouldn't go that far, but it certainly still is a question mark |
Its just not a position you take for granted anymore. Nose Tackles and Under Tackles are much bigger, quicker and skilled, as well with more unique defensive alignments through out the league and more passing through the league, the center iss being called on more then ever to be one of the smartest guys on the field, keeping communication of blitz/stunt diagnosing high and active, with QB and Centers seem to need to be more on the same page so its becoming more one of the positions like QB where a coach/OC wants to go and get "his guy" at center.
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Rank the SEC Safeties
Bacarri Rambo
Robert Lester
Matt Elam
DJ Swearinger
Eric Reid
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| Dr. Philly wrote: | Rank the SEC Safeties
Bacarri Rambo
Robert Lester
Matt Elam
DJ Swearinger
Eric Reid |
1. Elam /pick #20-32
2. Reid /pick #25-40
3. Swearinger /pick# 35-50
4. Lester the Molester /pick #40-62
5. Rambo /pick #60 -90
Swearinger and Lester might even be better then Reid right now but that dude is stacked and and shows huge potential.
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So Brandon Williams DT from Missouri Southern State U.
You guys know who else is from MSST?.....You guessed it.
James Thrash.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| oland11 wrote: | So Brandon Williams DT from Missouri Southern State U.
You guys know who else is from MSST?.....You guessed it.
James Thrash. |
Therefore he must be phenomenal |
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