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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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^Byrd won't hit FA.


I didn't think Donte Whitner would either. They most likely have to pick between franchising Levitre or Byrd.


Do you let a good Guard hit FA or an elite Safety?


Protect my QB and open holes for my RB, so I'd pick Levitre if I could only have 1. I don't think Byrd is elite. I don't think any safety in the league is elite any more. Just a few really good ones. But that Buffalo OL is trash and Levitre is their best one.


So your willing to pay top 5 OT money (The franchise tag for all OL is the same IIRC) over paying top 5 money for a top 3 safety? If so then your logic is flawed.

Levitre is a good player, Byrd is a great player.


My logic is about winning games, not winning the payroll. I'll pay Levitre top 5 OT money under the assumption I'm going to eventually sign him to a long term OG contract.
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EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
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Jeezla wrote:
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^Byrd won't hit FA.


I didn't think Donte Whitner would either. They most likely have to pick between franchising Levitre or Byrd.


Do you let a good Guard hit FA or an elite Safety?


Protect my QB and open holes for my RB, so I'd pick Levitre if I could only have 1. I don't think Byrd is elite. I don't think any safety in the league is elite any more. Just a few really good ones. But that Buffalo OL is trash and Levitre is their best one.


So your willing to pay top 5 OT money (The franchise tag for all OL is the same IIRC) over paying top 5 money for a top 3 safety? If so then your logic is flawed.

Levitre is a good player, Byrd is a great player.


My logic is about winning games, not winning the payroll. I'll pay Levitre top 5 OT money under the assumption I'm going to eventually sign him to a long term OG contract.


So your letting a great player (arguably the best S in football) and team leader, who would be cheaper, allowing you to add other good players, go for a good guard who would hurt your activity in free agency. Its easier to find a good guard than a great safety, we signed Evan Mathis to a deal for the veterans minimum 2 seasons ago, and have had the worst safety play in league history since Dawkins left. There are more good guards than great safeties, and if you have a great safety who might be the best in the NFL you don't let him walk for a good guard, that makes no sense.

Poor safety play can cause you games just as much as OL, look at how many times Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen bit on plays leaving wide open receivers over the top. The Colts won 11 games with an awful OL including 3 Eagles castoffs, they sucked so bad they couldn't make OUR OL.


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Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
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Jeezla wrote:
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^Byrd won't hit FA.


I didn't think Donte Whitner would either. They most likely have to pick between franchising Levitre or Byrd.


Do you let a good Guard hit FA or an elite Safety?


Protect my QB and open holes for my RB, so I'd pick Levitre if I could only have 1. I don't think Byrd is elite. I don't think any safety in the league is elite any more. Just a few really good ones. But that Buffalo OL is trash and Levitre is their best one.


So your willing to pay top 5 OT money (The franchise tag for all OL is the same IIRC) over paying top 5 money for a top 3 safety? If so then your logic is flawed.

Levitre is a good player, Byrd is a great player.


My logic is about winning games, not winning the payroll. I'll pay Levitre top 5 OT money under the assumption I'm going to eventually sign him to a long term OG contract.


So your letting a great player (arguably the best S in football) and team leader, who would be cheaper, allowing you to add other good players, go for a good guard who would hurt your activity in free agency. Its easier to find a good guard than a great safety, we signed Evan Mathis to a deal for the veterans minimum 2 seasons ago, and have had the worst safety play in league history since Dawkins left. There are more good guards than great safeties, and if you have a great safety who might be the best in the NFL you don't let him walk for a good guard, that makes no sense.


It's easier to win with good trenches than a good secondary. The Giants won 2 SB's without a great safety or CB's.
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Pretty sure Buffalo has enough cap to sign both.
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Yeah plus levitre is probably a better player at guard than byrd is at safety. I think the bills keep levitre and then I think byrd comes here because he knows chip kelly from oregon.
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Pretty sure Buffalo has enough cap to sign both.


But do they both want to return? Or do you think they are ready for a change of scenery after being stuck in football limbo? I'm not saying they will come here- because we suck, but I don't think both guys chomp at the bit to return to the Bills.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
^Byrd won't hit FA.


I didn't think Donte Whitner would either. They most likely have to pick between franchising Levitre or Byrd.


Do you let a good Guard hit FA or an elite Safety?


Protect my QB and open holes for my RB, so I'd pick Levitre if I could only have 1. I don't think Byrd is elite. I don't think any safety in the league is elite any more. Just a few really good ones. But that Buffalo OL is trash and Levitre is their best one.


So your willing to pay top 5 OT money (The franchise tag for all OL is the same IIRC) over paying top 5 money for a top 3 safety? If so then your logic is flawed.

Levitre is a good player, Byrd is a great player.


My logic is about winning games, not winning the payroll. I'll pay Levitre top 5 OT money under the assumption I'm going to eventually sign him to a long term OG contract.


So your letting a great player (arguably the best S in football) and team leader, who would be cheaper, allowing you to add other good players, go for a good guard who would hurt your activity in free agency. Its easier to find a good guard than a great safety, we signed Evan Mathis to a deal for the veterans minimum 2 seasons ago, and have had the worst safety play in league history since Dawkins left. There are more good guards than great safeties, and if you have a great safety who might be the best in the NFL you don't let him walk for a good guard, that makes no sense.


It's easier to win with good trenches than a good secondary. The Giants won 2 SB's without a great safety or CB's.


Correct me if I'm wrong, weren't Kenny Phillips, Antrell Rolle, Coey Webster, Aaron Ross, Prince Amukamara, and Terrell Thomas all first or second round selections while in their first superbowl with a 5th round pick at LT, an undrafted LG and C, and a 3rd round RT.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah plus levitre is probably a better player at guard than byrd is at safety. I think the bills keep levitre and then I think byrd comes here because he knows chip kelly from oregon.


I think you just want him here, but Byrd might be the best safety in football, Levitre is a good guard.
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Yeah plus levitre is probably a better player at guard than byrd is at safety. I think the bills keep levitre and then I think byrd comes here because he knows chip kelly from oregon.


This is irrelevant to the discussion but when we first drafted Nate Allen I could have sworn the commentators said he was from Oregon so I was all cheery because Jarius Byrd lead all rookies in INTs with like 8? But then when I got Madden and it said he was from USF I got really REALLY sad.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
^Byrd won't hit FA.


I didn't think Donte Whitner would either. They most likely have to pick between franchising Levitre or Byrd.


Do you let a good Guard hit FA or an elite Safety?


Protect my QB and open holes for my RB, so I'd pick Levitre if I could only have 1. I don't think Byrd is elite. I don't think any safety in the league is elite any more. Just a few really good ones. But that Buffalo OL is trash and Levitre is their best one.


So your willing to pay top 5 OT money (The franchise tag for all OL is the same IIRC) over paying top 5 money for a top 3 safety? If so then your logic is flawed.

Levitre is a good player, Byrd is a great player.


My logic is about winning games, not winning the payroll. I'll pay Levitre top 5 OT money under the assumption I'm going to eventually sign him to a long term OG contract.


So your letting a great player (arguably the best S in football) and team leader, who would be cheaper, allowing you to add other good players, go for a good guard who would hurt your activity in free agency. Its easier to find a good guard than a great safety, we signed Evan Mathis to a deal for the veterans minimum 2 seasons ago, and have had the worst safety play in league history since Dawkins left. There are more good guards than great safeties, and if you have a great safety who might be the best in the NFL you don't let him walk for a good guard, that makes no sense.


It's easier to win with good trenches than a good secondary. The Giants won 2 SB's without a great safety or CB's.


Correct me if I'm wrong, weren't Kenny Phillips, Antrell Rolle, Coey Webster, Aaron Ross, Prince Amukamara, and Terrell Thomas all first or second round selections while in their first superbowl with a 5th round pick at LT, an undrafted LG and C, and a 3rd round RT.


Who cares where they were drafted? You are either good or you aren't.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ninjapirate wrote:
Yeah plus levitre is probably a better player at guard than byrd is at safety. I think the bills keep levitre and then I think byrd comes here because he knows chip kelly from oregon.


I think you just want him here, but Byrd might be the best safety in football, Levitre is a good guard.


SO they have the best safety in football and still totally suck on D? Wonder if it's because...they don't win in the trenches!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
ninjapirate wrote:
Yeah plus levitre is probably a better player at guard than byrd is at safety. I think the bills keep levitre and then I think byrd comes here because he knows chip kelly from oregon.


I think you just want him here, but Byrd might be the best safety in football, Levitre is a good guard.


SO they have the best safety in football and still totally suck on D? Wonder if it's because...they don't win in the trenches!


Hm, they also have a ton of talent on the DL, so the trenches must not matter either...

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Who cares where they were drafted? You are either good or you aren't.


Proof you can find good guards easier than you can find great safeties, keeping a good player by letting a great impact player go is dumb.

Also, Phillips is a very good safety and Rolle is a damn good playmaker in the back end who is versatile enough to play the slot or line up over tight ends due to his time at corner. To say or insinuate they aren't good players is simply untrue.

With everyone back healthy (Peters, Herremans, Kelce) our 4 best lineman (including Mathis) were taken after the 2nd. Meanwhile we haven't been able to add a good safety since Dawkins.


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EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
ninjapirate wrote:
Yeah plus levitre is probably a better player at guard than byrd is at safety. I think the bills keep levitre and then I think byrd comes here because he knows chip kelly from oregon.


I think you just want him here, but Byrd might be the best safety in football, Levitre is a good guard.


SO they have the best safety in football and still totally suck on D? Wonder if it's because...they don't win in the trenches!


Hm, they also have a ton of talent on the DL, so the trenches must not matter either...

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Who cares where they were drafted? You are either good or you aren't.


Proof you can find good guards easier than you can find great safeties, keeping a good player by letting a great impact player go is dumb.

Also, Phillips is a very good safety and Rolle is a damn good playmaker in the back end who is versatile enough to play the slot or line up over tight ends due to his time at corner. To say or insinuate they aren't good players is simply untrue.


Phillips is not that good. Rolle is inconsistent. To say they are good players simply isn't true. They are good when the DL pressure is good.
And "Good talent" isn't the same as "good player".
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
ninjapirate wrote:
Yeah plus levitre is probably a better player at guard than byrd is at safety. I think the bills keep levitre and then I think byrd comes here because he knows chip kelly from oregon.


I think you just want him here, but Byrd might be the best safety in football, Levitre is a good guard.


SO they have the best safety in football and still totally suck on D? Wonder if it's because...they don't win in the trenches!


Hm, they also have a ton of talent on the DL, so the trenches must not matter either...

Quote:
Who cares where they were drafted? You are either good or you aren't.


Proof you can find good guards easier than you can find great safeties, keeping a good player by letting a great impact player go is dumb.

Also, Phillips is a very good safety and Rolle is a damn good playmaker in the back end who is versatile enough to play the slot or line up over tight ends due to his time at corner. To say or insinuate they aren't good players is simply untrue.


Phillips is not that good. Rolle is inconsistent. To say they are good players simply isn't true. They are good when the DL pressure is good.
And "Good talent" isn't the same as "good player".


Phillips went from good, but he's not that good to not good to good when he has a pass rush. That might be the most condecending thing ever. Also, Levitre is good, but not that good. It doesn't make sense from a financial point of view or a football point of view to tag Levitre over Byrd.
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Yeah plus levitre is probably a better player at guard than byrd is at safety. I think the bills keep levitre and then I think byrd comes here because he knows chip kelly from oregon.


I think you just want him here, but Byrd might be the best safety in football, Levitre is a good guard.



Well byrd is the only great fa I think we'd have a chance at.
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