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palmy50


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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justo wrote:
I feel like some people haven't seen Rodgers enough. Dude will truck you at that size. He's so freaking strong and compact for his height:weight. Sproles is more like a suped up, smaller, Reggie Bush IMO.


YUP, Rodgers is a much better comparison in terms of running style. Harris can "truck" ya also if he builds up a head of steam. Fact is, Rodgers also has the value in the passing game that makes him a clear value lean over Harris at this point.
In terms of Harris vs. Rodgers, Harris has a clear lean in burst and long speed, in my opinion, and I see him as overall the better and more dangerous runner. Harris has also showed glimpses of very impressive vision and patience, and then taking it when it's there.


I would give a lean to Harris on Rodgers in terms of pure running ability also. Has both more speed and power. Rodgers clear lean on Harris in the passing game makes him a very easy value lean in todays NFL for far more teams than not.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ray Rice would be an ideal fit in this team, in my opinion, and I see similarities. I prefer Rice to MJD, but they are of a similar mold, and I think Harris is cut from a similar cloth. For what its worth, J.Rodgers is as well, and he isn't on their level, and so ultimately, I see it as how you view the player himself more than I do the "type" of player in this case.

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.


You lost me a bit with that one. Rice is a much different type of player. Rice is a much better football player than athlete. Lives and dies with his instincts. About as complete as they come. No weak spots in Rice's game at all. Every bit as good inside as he is outside. Man is truly hell to gameplan for. Trust me!
backs of roughly similar size, speed, quickness, and power. All viewed as undersized by many evaluators, but really only because of their height. Rice is just the best of the lot. A special football player, but similar in terms of physical build and talents. Rice is a tad bigger actually, I think he's a legit 5'8 and about 210, where as Harris probably stands closer to 5'7 200, but my point was about the style, which I view as not entirely different, as shorter, stockier, laterally and vertically explosive runners.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope one understands there is a HUGE difference between talent and skill.........
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seems to me that as Harris has progressed in pass pro he has seen substantially more snaps over the past few weeks.

With MM, its the same old story at runningback. Pass protection is most important productivity in the running game is second. Harris brings the second piece to the table and is becoming the first piece.

In other words, I'm comfortable with Harris at back this year and moving into next year. However, if a gem falls in the draft or in FA that TT feels is an upgrade, I'm on board with that too.

It's very hard to hate on any individual has the backing of such a classy organization.
... He was only asked to block once last week, or at least that's all I counted...


I remember quite a few passing down plays where he was in the backfield and became the hot read as Aaron diagnosed the play. I consider that as big a part of pass pro as physically stopping a pass rusher. It serves a similar function - protect Aaron.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Curious question palmy. What do you consider Sproles and Rodgers? Do you consider them starting RBs? Those seem to be the molds most similar to Harris. Even though neither is a bell cow, I consider them both starters just because of how effective they are. I'd say our situation more closely resembles that of NO, with much less talent at the position.


In terms of reps and roster, neither is really a starter. There are other #1 options ahead of both.


Sproles led his team in offensive snaps by 60 over the next closest runningback while missing a few games with a broken hand. Rodgers finished 12 offensive snaps behind Turner but was seeing very little play to start the year. With a full offseason I can see Harris in those game molds and seeing close to 30-35% of the offensive snaps. Rodgers was at 44% and Sproles 40%.


I feel ya, but understand that those two bring games to the table that work for them to get those reps on those teams. Those two are on a different level than Harris right now in terms of passing/3rd down value. Harris might be on par with both in terms of pure running ability but has just flat out never been used the way those two have in the past and needs that development in the passing game if he is to truly shine in this Packers pass heavy system.


That in bold is what I'm talking about though. Harris has been in our system for what? 12 weeks roughly? If he had a full offseason with our team don't you think he could make gains in the passing game? Not enough to catch Rodgers/Sproles in that regard, but his run game lean surely helps. He came from the Jags (run heavy) and had a cup of coffee in Pitt. He hasn't had much time in our system at all. The kid has some wiggle and move in his game and seems willing to hit people not only running but in protection. Seems like he wants it too. I think he'll work hard because he knows selling cars isn't for him. I'm not saying he's going to become Sproles/Rodgers, just saying it wouldn't surprise me if he got similar amount of workload as them next year after a full offseason in our system.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny Woodhead -hands?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Curious question palmy. What do you consider Sproles and Rodgers? Do you consider them starting RBs? Those seem to be the molds most similar to Harris. Even though neither is a bell cow, I consider them both starters just because of how effective they are. I'd say our situation more closely resembles that of NO, with much less talent at the position.


In terms of reps and roster, neither is really a starter. There are other #1 options ahead of both.


Sproles led his team in offensive snaps by 60 over the next closest runningback while missing a few games with a broken hand. Rodgers finished 12 offensive snaps behind Turner but was seeing very little play to start the year. With a full offseason I can see Harris in those game molds and seeing close to 30-35% of the offensive snaps. Rodgers was at 44% and Sproles 40%.


I feel ya, but understand that those two bring games to the table that work for them to get those reps on those teams. Those two are on a different level than Harris right now in terms of passing/3rd down value. Harris might be on par with both in terms of pure running ability but has just flat out never been used the way those two have in the past and needs that development in the passing game if he is to truly shine in this Packers pass heavy system.


That in bold is what I'm talking about though. Harris has been in our system for what? 12 weeks roughly? If he had a full offseason with our team don't you think he could make gains in the passing game? Not enough to catch Rodgers/Sproles in that regard, but his run game lean surely helps. He came from the Jags (run heavy) and had a cup of coffee in Pitt. He hasn't had much time in our system at all. The kid has some wiggle and move in his game and seems willing to hit people not only running but in protection. Seems like he wants it too. I think he'll work hard because he knows selling cars isn't for him. I'm not saying he's going to become Sproles/Rodgers, just saying it wouldn't surprise me if he got similar amount of workload as them next year after a full offseason in our system.


I'm not in a position to say Harris can't do anything. Fact is, Harris never been used that way. Man is a long ways off from it being second nature like it is for a Sproles or Rodgers. That feel comes with reps. No easy task learning that skill on the fly at the pro level. Look how long it too the Packers to groom Brandon Jackson there and that's a man with a very high football IQ that also new he lacked the running skills to last long in the league. Also far different practice rules under that CBA.

I'm not the type of cat that will tell ya one can't do something. But that's one I'll need to see first to believe.
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I called him Jumanji in class today, people had no idea what I was talking about. Embarassed Laughing
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Palmy you were saying our other guy we brought in, Johnny White reminded you of Harris. God i hope thats true, we could be good to go at RB if hes another Harris type once he gets all uninjured-like.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Palmy you were saying our other guy we brought in, Johnny White reminded you of Harris. God i hope thats true, we could be good to go at RB if hes another Harris type once he gets all uninjured-like.


We waived him from IR. He's no longer with us.
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Palmy you were saying our other guy we brought in, Johnny White reminded you of Harris. God i hope thats true, we could be good to go at RB if hes another Harris type once he gets all uninjured-like.


We waived him from IR. He's no longer with us.


Really? I thought he was an exclusive restricted free agent or something next year
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Palmy you were saying our other guy we brought in, Johnny White reminded you of Harris. God i hope thats true, we could be good to go at RB if hes another Harris type once he gets all uninjured-like.


We waived him from IR. He's no longer with us.


Really? I thought he was an exclusive restricted free agent or something next year

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Packers waived RB Johnny White from injured reserve.
White was sent to I.R. with a concussion earlier this month. He should clear waivers and become a free agent. A fifth-round pick of the Bills in 2011, White has been limited to 20 carries in 19 career games while also dealing with a number of head injuries. Thu, Dec 27, 2012 05:32:00 PM
Source: Adam Caplan on Twitter


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6649/johnny-white
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Danny Woodhead -hands?


Comparing him to Danny Woodhead. I think I can agree with this statement.
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Danny Woodhead -hands?


Comparing him to Danny Woodhead. I think I can agree with this statement.
Kendall Hunter (5'7, 199) may be an even better comparison. Source:
http://www.49ers.com/team/roster/Kendall-Hunter/85c4834c-c106-4bdc-a29f-a76f860b5097
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I've always said you either have it from day 1 at rb. Its just a natural poisition. Idk how everyone else feels different but Dujuan Harris has shown the most ability of any running backs we had in the past 3 years imo. Well maybe not Ryan Grant but he's much more versatile
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