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| JohnnyV wrote: | I can't imagine Keim and Michael hiring a guy with a near identical pedigree to Whiz.
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Well their personalities aren't identical listening to Arians on the radio. He's a complete 180 from Whiz. Maybe MB wants a different voice since the old message wasn't getting thru.
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stchamp98
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| DirtyDez wrote: | | JohnnyV wrote: | I can't imagine Keim and Michael hiring a guy with a near identical pedigree to Whiz.
Makes ZERO sense. |
Well their personalities aren't identical listening to Arians on the radio. He's a complete 180 from Whiz. Maybe MB wants a different voice since the old message wasn't getting thru. |
It'll be much the same message, however. Just a different messenger.
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| DirtyDez wrote: | | JohnnyV wrote: | I can't imagine Keim and Michael hiring a guy with a near identical pedigree to Whiz.
Makes ZERO sense. |
Well their personalities aren't identical listening to Arians on the radio. He's a complete 180 from Whiz. Maybe MB wants a different voice since the old message wasn't getting thru. |
New message same scheme is not making any difference here. The game is played on the field, Ken was fired because of poor offensive production. People here wanted Ken gone because he refused to adapt his scheme to the personnel. Now we are going to go out and hire a guy whose offensive philosophy is darn near identical to what Ken Whisenhunt ran.
That makes no sense at all.
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| AZPSquared wrote: | https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/292033476373393408
How Arians offense differs from Whiz |
Basically says I use the same offense, but with a smaller playbook, have added in a lot of screens found in the college game and I use a different verbiage.
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stchamp98
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| AZPSquared wrote: | https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/292033476373393408
How Arians offense differs from Whiz |
Changed the verbiage. Ok.
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | AZPSquared wrote: | https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/292033476373393408
How Arians offense differs from Whiz |
Changed the verbiage. Ok. |
yeah all i read is the terminology is different, but the scheme is the same.
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stchamp98
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| AZPSquared wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | AZPSquared wrote: | https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/292033476373393408
How Arians offense differs from Whiz |
Changed the verbiage. Ok. |
yeah all i read is the terminology is different, but the scheme is the same. |
Yup. All Arians says is he took a big play book and changed the route terms so to make it easier to read. That's fine, might even be legitimately helpful to the players but it's the same offensive scheme and design once the ball is snapped. It's the same route tree with the same 5-7 step drops and the same protections.
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | AZPSquared wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | AZPSquared wrote: | https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/292033476373393408
How Arians offense differs from Whiz |
Changed the verbiage. Ok. |
yeah all i read is the terminology is different, but the scheme is the same. |
Yup. All Arians says is he took a big play book and changed the route terms so to make it easier to read. That's fine, might even be legitimately helpful to the players but it's the same offensive scheme and design once the ball is snapped. It's the same route tree with the same 5-7 step drops and the same protections. |
The same one that the entire Cardinals fan base was screaming at Whis for not changing to suit the personnel.
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| khodder wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | AZPSquared wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | AZPSquared wrote: | https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/292033476373393408
How Arians offense differs from Whiz |
Changed the verbiage. Ok. |
yeah all i read is the terminology is different, but the scheme is the same. |
Yup. All Arians says is he took a big play book and changed the route terms so to make it easier to read. That's fine, might even be legitimately helpful to the players but it's the same offensive scheme and design once the ball is snapped. It's the same route tree with the same 5-7 step drops and the same protections. |
The same one that the entire Cardinals fan base was screaming at Whis for not changing to suit the personnel. |
The very same.
I don't hate it personally, it just takes a lot of moving parts to make it work. Rich Bartel kept talking about how the playbook is easy to learn and it may be but in terms of play design this is one of the most complex offensive systems in all of professional sports. It takes so much to make it work and it takes a very specific type of player. It's really hard to successfully put it together, IMHO.
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Per Dan Bickley: Jurecki is reporting that Horton wants out of AZ.
Story on AZCentral. It's Bickley, so take it for what it may be worth. |
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stchamp98
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Dan Bickley's a complete and utter moron and a hack writer to boot. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he finally got one right with this story.
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | Dan Bickley's a complete and utter moron and a hack writer to boot. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he finally got one right with this story. |
I don't care if he wants out, no way they can justify releasing him from his contract.
He will be here next year.
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| JohnnyV wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | Dan Bickley's a complete and utter moron and a hack writer to boot. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he finally got one right with this story. |
I don't care if he wants out, no way they can justify releasing him from his contract.
He will be here next year. |
I disagree. The last thing you want is a coaching rift and it's obvious we're headed toward one if this report true. Coaches backbiting each other will gut a team quicker than any roster problem could.
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