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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vike daddy wrote:

the progress on the stadium is...

** expected revenue from e-tabs has been much lower than expected. some say it will never amount to the expected amount, some say it will take more time to be able to.
** some legislators are proposing to tax items now that they promised in the past not to (sports memorabila, luxury suites, tickets).
** one legislator attempted to put the stadium bill on hold.
** designs plans to be unveiled next month.


Wrigley $500M renovation - with no taxpayer funds - approved yesterday;

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2013/04/15/chicago-cubs-500-million-dollar-wrigley-renovation/2083463/

They would give Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts the ability to renovate the second-oldest park in the major leagues, boost business and perhaps make baseball's most infamous losers competitive again.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel hailed what the two sides called a "framework" agreement in a joint statement issued Sunday night, noting that it includes no taxpayer funding.

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Seems like that was relatively easy to do. No new taxes. Boosted business, which is the primary goal of Ricketts / Cubs.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purplexing wrote:
Seems like that was relatively easy to do. No new taxes. Boosted business, which is the primary goal of Ricketts / Cubs.


I didn't realize that the Metrodome is a national icon like Wrigley Field...
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Any comparison between Wrigley Field and Metrodome is ridiculous. That's equivalent to comparing the Liberty Bell to the bell at Long John Silver's.
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nor was there anything in that article that stated the process was "relatively easy" as claimed, or not.
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disaacs wrote:
Any comparison between Wrigley Field and Metrodome is ridiculous. That's equivalent to comparing the Liberty Bell to the bell at Long John Silver's.


Has anyone tried to fix the Liberty Bell?
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nor was there anything in that article that stated the process was "relatively easy" as claimed, or not.


It's relatively easy to imply the process in Chicago was relatively easy to get politicians to approve real estate improvements that they don't have to ask taxpayers to subsidize.

What, other than independent audits of the projections, would be difficult about politicians approving an improved stadium that is projected to increase revenues, thus tax revenue to the city and state?
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Klomp wrote:
Purplexing wrote:
Seems like that was relatively easy to do. No new taxes. Boosted business, which is the primary goal of Ricketts / Cubs.


I didn't realize that the Metrodome is a national icon like Wrigley Field...


I don't think either is a national icon. Nor is Candlestick Park, which is being replaced by a $1.2B stadium at Santa Clara, which will be funded 90% / 10% by the team / city.

I don't understand the relevance of 'national icon'.

But, in case I missed something pertinent about 'national icons', Yankee stadium (the one that Ruth built) was as close to a national icon as any sports stadium could be, but it was replaced recently, rather than renovated.
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Purplexing wrote:
It's relatively easy to imply the process in Chicago was relatively easy to get politicians to approve real estate improvements that they don't have to ask taxpayers to subsidize.

i don't think Wrigley Field is owned by the people of Illinois. and if no tax dollars are used for its renovation-to-be, then why are politicians involved in any decision about it anyway? the article never stated anything like that.

i think you like to manufacture things out of thin air (and call it an implication) to support your points of view.

but this is just babbling anyway, the situations with Wrigley Field and the MetroDome are very different, as others have pointed out.

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so you don't have a good counter-example.

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