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| GrassyKnoll wrote: | | Many of you are falling into the Romo trap. He wows you with his statistics until it matters most. He lures you into thinking he is the guy by making great plays that few could make only to crush you with his stupid mistakes. These always seem to occur at the most critical times. It's just who he is & it's time that we realize & admit it. He's not what this team needs. |
He has 2 mistakes in critical times - a bobbled snap vs. SEA and an INT vs. WAS
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gofrogs
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | GrassyKnoll wrote: | | Many of you are falling into the Romo trap. He wows you with his statistics until it matters most. He lures you into thinking he is the guy by making great plays that few could make only to crush you with his stupid mistakes. These always seem to occur at the most critical times. It's just who he is & it's time that we realize & admit it. He's not what this team needs. |
He has 2 mistakes in critical times - a bobbled snap vs. SEA and an INT vs. WAS |
But he is 1-6 in win or go home scenarios. The guys got all the talent in the world but in the NFL if a head coach doesnt win he gets fired, if a GM doesnt field a contending team he gets fired (obviously this is a huge problem with Jerry being the GM but thats another thread), If a defensive back cant cover he gets cut, if a DE cants get a sack he gets cut. And in todays NFL if a QB cant win the win or go home games the team trys other QBs, except in Dallas. We continue to think he will change year to year but its the same thing. He is going to be our QB and he should be until a decent replacement can be groomed. I just think that expecting a Super Bowl from him is asking to much. Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years.
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MaddHatter
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| gofrogs wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | GrassyKnoll wrote: | | Many of you are falling into the Romo trap. He wows you with his statistics until it matters most. He lures you into thinking he is the guy by making great plays that few could make only to crush you with his stupid mistakes. These always seem to occur at the most critical times. It's just who he is & it's time that we realize & admit it. He's not what this team needs. |
He has 2 mistakes in critical times - a bobbled snap vs. SEA and an INT vs. WAS |
But his team is 1-6 in win or go home scenarios. The guys got all the talent in the world but in the NFL if a head coach doesnt win he gets fired, if a GM doesnt field a contending team he gets fired (obviously this is a huge problem with Jerry being the GM but thats another thread), If a defensive back cant cover he gets cut, if a DE cants get a sack he gets cut. And in todays NFL if a QB cant win the win or go home games the team trys other QBs, except in Dallas. We continue to think he will change year to year but its the same thing. He is going to be our QB and he should be until a decent replacement can be groomed. I just think that expecting a Super Bowl from him is asking to much. Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
So Atlanta's going to cut Ryan? Colts cut Peyton? Miami cut Marino?
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PincheJimmy
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | GrassyKnoll wrote: | | Many of you are falling into the Romo trap. He wows you with his statistics until it matters most. He lures you into thinking he is the guy by making great plays that few could make only to crush you with his stupid mistakes. These always seem to occur at the most critical times. It's just who he is & it's time that we realize & admit it. He's not what this team needs. |
He has 2 mistakes in critical times - a bobbled snap vs. SEA and an INT vs. WAS |
But his team is 1-6 in win or go home scenarios. The guys got all the talent in the world but in the NFL if a head coach doesnt win he gets fired, if a GM doesnt field a contending team he gets fired (obviously this is a huge problem with Jerry being the GM but thats another thread), If a defensive back cant cover he gets cut, if a DE cants get a sack he gets cut. And in todays NFL if a QB cant win the win or go home games the team trys other QBs, except in Dallas. We continue to think he will change year to year but its the same thing. He is going to be our QB and he should be until a decent replacement can be groomed. I just think that expecting a Super Bowl from him is asking to much. Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
So Atlanta's going to cut Ryan? Colts cut Peyton? Miami cut Marino? |
That's not Fair, those guys were 1st rd draft picks! Romo was an UDFA !!!! That's the only explanation I can come up with that. And Matty Ice gets a win this weekend!!!! |
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plan9misfit
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| GrassyKnoll wrote: | | Many of you are falling into the Romo trap. He wows you with his statistics until it matters most. He lures you into thinking he is the guy by making great plays that few could make only to crush you with his stupid mistakes. These always seem to occur at the most critical times. It's just who he is & it's time that we realize & admit it. He's not what this team needs. |
Remember who his idol was: Brett Favre. No player in the history of the league was better at heart and back breaking turnovers at the most inopportune time, so it shouldn't come as a shock that Romo is equally capable of the same (or similar) bonehead mistakes in those moments. He always finds a way to rip your heart out when you need him, and it usually comes just after he wows you with something amazing.
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| The_Slamman wrote: | | It's like we are in a win now mentality with lose now personnel. |
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plan9misfit
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| gofrogs wrote: | | Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
Mike Glennon is a nice prospect, too.
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| The_Slamman wrote: | | It's like we are in a win now mentality with lose now personnel. |
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PincheJimmy
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
Mike Glennon is a nice prospect, too. |
Will Glennon be there in the 3rd rd? |
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plan9misfit
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| PincheJimmy wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
Mike Glennon is a nice prospect, too. |
Will Glennon be there in the 3rd rd? |
Given the way NFL teams reach at QBs due to the rookie wage scale? Who knows. I think he'd be a great pick in the 3rd round if he's still there, that's for sure. Part of me thinks a team will reach for him in the 1st round due to the lack of viable QB prospects this year. And with Glennon's incredible size and strength, I think it may wow scouts enough to overdraft him even though he's really not first round talent.
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gofrogs
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | GrassyKnoll wrote: | | Many of you are falling into the Romo trap. He wows you with his statistics until it matters most. He lures you into thinking he is the guy by making great plays that few could make only to crush you with his stupid mistakes. These always seem to occur at the most critical times. It's just who he is & it's time that we realize & admit it. He's not what this team needs. |
He has 2 mistakes in critical times - a bobbled snap vs. SEA and an INT vs. WAS |
But his team is 1-6 in win or go home scenarios. The guys got all the talent in the world but in the NFL if a head coach doesnt win he gets fired, if a GM doesnt field a contending team he gets fired (obviously this is a huge problem with Jerry being the GM but thats another thread), If a defensive back cant cover he gets cut, if a DE cants get a sack he gets cut. And in todays NFL if a QB cant win the win or go home games the team trys other QBs, except in Dallas. We continue to think he will change year to year but its the same thing. He is going to be our QB and he should be until a decent replacement can be groomed. I just think that expecting a Super Bowl from him is asking to much. Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
So Atlanta's going to cut Ryan? Colts cut Peyton? Miami cut Marino? |
Marino made it a Super Bowl his first year and the NFL was completely different in the 80's than it is now, hence the term "in todays NFL", If Matt Ryan continues to fail in the big games and his team loses a win or go home games and/or misses the playoffs every year for 7 years then yes they will move on, no doubt. Manning had 2 AFC championship game appearances and a Super Bowl championship in his first 7 season. And dont forget if not for a missed field goal as time expired they would have beat the Steelers and played the Seahawks and also the league had to "change" pass interferance after that game in New England where they were tackling Harrison with the ball still in the air. In his first 7 seasons as a starter (he didnt get 3 years to learn the NFL game like Romo did) Manning was 8-5 in win or go home games with a championship. Since then he is 3-4 with one of those coming in the Super Bowl.
Why does everyone compare Romo to these QBs? Especially Manning, hes got skins on the wall. Marino played 80% of his career before free agency so it was a completely different game and league back then. Ryan has been in the league 5 years (again another guy that didnt learn the game for 3 years he had to win from day 1) He hasnt had a chance to play this years playoffs so as of right now he has 4 seasons in which he could've had a win or go home game and he is 0-3. And if he loses this year and then over the next 2 years goes 1-2 in those games, he would then be where Romo is right now.
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gofrogs
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
Mike Glennon is a nice prospect, too. |
Oh I love Glennon, but he looks like a Andy Ried guy to me, I think Reid takes him with the 33rd pick.
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NoFlyZone
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| gofrogs wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | GrassyKnoll wrote: | | Many of you are falling into the Romo trap. He wows you with his statistics until it matters most. He lures you into thinking he is the guy by making great plays that few could make only to crush you with his stupid mistakes. These always seem to occur at the most critical times. It's just who he is & it's time that we realize & admit it. He's not what this team needs. |
He has 2 mistakes in critical times - a bobbled snap vs. SEA and an INT vs. WAS |
But his team is 1-6 in win or go home scenarios. The guys got all the talent in the world but in the NFL if a head coach doesnt win he gets fired, if a GM doesnt field a contending team he gets fired (obviously this is a huge problem with Jerry being the GM but thats another thread), If a defensive back cant cover he gets cut, if a DE cants get a sack he gets cut. And in todays NFL if a QB cant win the win or go home games the team trys other QBs, except in Dallas. We continue to think he will change year to year but its the same thing. He is going to be our QB and he should be until a decent replacement can be groomed. I just think that expecting a Super Bowl from him is asking to much. Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
So Atlanta's going to cut Ryan? Colts cut Peyton? Miami cut Marino? |
Marino made it a Super Bowl his first year and the NFL was completely different in the 80's than it is now, hence the term "in todays NFL", If Matt Ryan continues to fail in the big games and his team loses a win or go home games and/or misses the playoffs every year for 7 years then yes they will move on, no doubt. Manning had 2 AFC championship game appearances and a Super Bowl championship in his first 7 season. And dont forget if not for a missed field goal as time expired they would have beat the Steelers and played the Seahawks and also the league had to "change" pass interferance after that game in New England where they were tackling Harrison with the ball still in the air. In his first 7 seasons as a starter (he didnt get 3 years to learn the NFL game like Romo did) Manning was 8-5 in win or go home games with a championship. Since then he is 3-4 with one of those coming in the Super Bowl.
Why does everyone compare Romo to these QBs? Especially Manning, hes got skins on the wall. Marino played 80% of his career before free agency so it was a completely different game and league back then. Ryan has been in the league 5 years (again another guy that didnt learn the game for 3 years he had to win from day 1) He hasnt had a chance to play this years playoffs so as of right now he has 4 seasons in which he could've had a win or go home game and he is 0-3. And if he loses this year and then over the next 2 years goes 1-2 in those games, he would then be where Romo is right now. |
Romo carries this team on his back. There isn't a good quarterback in the NFL who has to deal with what Romo has to deal with, completely different situation than what Matt Ryan deals with in Atlanta, or what Manning dealt with in his early years with the Colts.
Not sure if you watched the game vs Washington, but they lost that game because Romo got ZERO help. None of the receivers were ever getting open, even in one on one man coverage. Not even Dez or Witten. The Redskin's blitz was getting home almost every single time, there was nothing the O-line or backs could do to stop it. Romo was under heavy pressure the entire night. There is a reason why he had broken ribs heading into half time. I don't care what quarterback you put behind center in that game (Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees), they would have lost. Romo needed a miracle to be able to pull something off offensively in that game.. because there was seriously nothing there to help him whatsoever. He simply ran out of magic. Can you really fault him?
This has been the case in almost every do or die situation for Romo, excluding the 06' playoff loss to Seattle. Lets not be so naive to think that Romo has been the big issue in these games. The team has simply been dead in every single one of these matchups, hanging Romo out to dry. Replace Romo with any quarterback in the NFL in these situations, would not have changed a single thing. I don't care what Romo's record is. Getting rid of the sole guy on your team that gives you a shot to win any game is NOT the answer. All the Cowboys can do is to keep working on the players they decide to put around him.
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| gofrogs wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
Mike Glennon is a nice prospect, too. |
Oh I love Glennon, but he looks like a Andy Ried guy to me, I think Reid takes him with the 33rd pick. |
Did you watch him in the Music City Bowl? He looked worse than almost anything Romo ever did. He will be a coach killer. I don't want him anywhere near Valley Ranch. |
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PincheJimmy
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| NoFlyZone wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | gofrogs wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | GrassyKnoll wrote: | | Many of you are falling into the Romo trap. He wows you with his statistics until it matters most. He lures you into thinking he is the guy by making great plays that few could make only to crush you with his stupid mistakes. These always seem to occur at the most critical times. It's just who he is & it's time that we realize & admit it. He's not what this team needs. |
He has 2 mistakes in critical times - a bobbled snap vs. SEA and an INT vs. WAS |
But his team is 1-6 in win or go home scenarios. The guys got all the talent in the world but in the NFL if a head coach doesnt win he gets fired, if a GM doesnt field a contending team he gets fired (obviously this is a huge problem with Jerry being the GM but thats another thread), If a defensive back cant cover he gets cut, if a DE cants get a sack he gets cut. And in todays NFL if a QB cant win the win or go home games the team trys other QBs, except in Dallas. We continue to think he will change year to year but its the same thing. He is going to be our QB and he should be until a decent replacement can be groomed. I just think that expecting a Super Bowl from him is asking to much. Id love to get a guy like Nassib and get him ready to take over in a couple of years. |
So Atlanta's going to cut Ryan? Colts cut Peyton? Miami cut Marino? |
Marino made it a Super Bowl his first year and the NFL was completely different in the 80's than it is now, hence the term "in todays NFL", If Matt Ryan continues to fail in the big games and his team loses a win or go home games and/or misses the playoffs every year for 7 years then yes they will move on, no doubt. Manning had 2 AFC championship game appearances and a Super Bowl championship in his first 7 season. And dont forget if not for a missed field goal as time expired they would have beat the Steelers and played the Seahawks and also the league had to "change" pass interferance after that game in New England where they were tackling Harrison with the ball still in the air. In his first 7 seasons as a starter (he didnt get 3 years to learn the NFL game like Romo did) Manning was 8-5 in win or go home games with a championship. Since then he is 3-4 with one of those coming in the Super Bowl.
Why does everyone compare Romo to these QBs? Especially Manning, hes got skins on the wall. Marino played 80% of his career before free agency so it was a completely different game and league back then. Ryan has been in the league 5 years (again another guy that didnt learn the game for 3 years he had to win from day 1) He hasnt had a chance to play this years playoffs so as of right now he has 4 seasons in which he could've had a win or go home game and he is 0-3. And if he loses this year and then over the next 2 years goes 1-2 in those games, he would then be where Romo is right now. |
Romo carries this team on his back. There isn't a good quarterback in the NFL who has to deal with what Romo has to deal with, completely different situation than what Matt Ryan deals with in Atlanta, or what Manning dealt with in his early years with the Colts.
Not sure if you watched the game vs Washington, but they lost that game because Romo got ZERO help. None of the receivers were ever getting open, even in one on one man coverage. Not even Dez or Witten. The Redskin's blitz was getting home almost every single time, there was nothing the O-line or backs could do to stop it. Romo was under heavy pressure the entire night. There is a reason why he had broken ribs heading into half time. I don't care what quarterback you put behind center in that game (Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees), they would have lost. Romo needed a miracle to be able to pull something off offensively in that game.. because there was seriously nothing there to help him whatsoever. He simply ran out of magic. Can you really fault him?
This has been the case in almost every do or die situation for Romo, excluding the 06' playoff loss to Seattle. Lets not be so naive to think that Romo has been the big issue in these games. The team has simply been dead in every single one of these matchups, hanging Romo out to dry. Replace Romo with any quarterback in the NFL in these situations, would not have changed a single thing. I don't care what Romo's record is. Getting rid of the sole guy on your team that gives you a shot to win any game is NOT the answer. All the Cowboys can do is to keep working on the players they decide to put around him. |
I totally agree but let's say Ariz comes to you n says we give you a 1st this year and another next year, would you do it??? |
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plan9misfit
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| PincheJimmy wrote: | | I totally agree but let's say Ariz comes to you n says we give you a 1st this year and another next year, would you do it??? |
Seeing that this year's pick would be 7th overall and next year's would likely be in the 15-20 range, yes, I'd do it and not think twice about it.
And my strategy would be this: see if Jarvis Jones falls. If he doesn't, trade down and select Jonathan Jenkins and Chance Warmack in the 1st, Sharrif Floyd in the second, and look for a QB in the 3rd.
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| AJ McCarron looked like Tom Brady last night, there is our answer. Draft his line this year, next year draft him in rnd 1. |
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