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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DOCLEW 28 wrote:
I just wish we could have not waited til the end of the season to see more from both of them. The run blocking wasn't too bad but the pass pro left something to be desired. With a full offseason aand preseason we sholc be able to find one guy to fill in at the RG spot. Hell, maybe one of them beats out Briesel. Who knows.

Bottom line, we need one of them to show something so we don't have to worry about filling yet another spot this offseason with someone from the outside.

Agree, they should have seen extended time a lot earlier. Still at least they have SOME film to be reviewed now.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?


Probably not. Get ready to listen to the McKenzie haters running rampant.
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big_palooka wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?


Probably not. Get ready to listen to the McKenzie haters running rampant.


Is Bergstrom really a crucial key to our success? Not even top 20 as far as issues or players go, so whatever happens to him is not very relevant.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

holyghost wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?


Probably not. Get ready to listen to the McKenzie haters running rampant.


Is Bergstrom really a crucial key to our success? Not even top 20 as far as issues or players go, so whatever happens to him is not very relevant.

Agreed. Nobody is gonna hate on McKenzie for a 3rd round pick. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

holyghost wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?


Probably not. Get ready to listen to the McKenzie haters running rampant.


Is Bergstrom really a crucial key to our success? Not even top 20 as far as issues or players go, so whatever happens to him is not very relevant.


Trust me. The McKenzie haters will make sure it's a big deal. Laughing Laughing If every pick isn't a star as a rookie, he deserves to be fired, period.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RaisinBran wrote:
holyghost wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?


Probably not. Get ready to listen to the McKenzie haters running rampant.


Is Bergstrom really a crucial key to our success? Not even top 20 as far as issues or players go, so whatever happens to him is not very relevant.

Agreed. Nobody is gonna hate on McKenzie for a 3rd round pick. Laughing


People already have, but who knows, maybe berg is a beast in either system Wink
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OakRaiders3828 wrote:
RaisinBran wrote:
holyghost wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?


Probably not. Get ready to listen to the McKenzie haters running rampant.


Is Bergstrom really a crucial key to our success? Not even top 20 as far as issues or players go, so whatever happens to him is not very relevant.

Agreed. Nobody is gonna hate on McKenzie for a 3rd round pick. Laughing


People already have, but who knows, maybe berg is a beast in either system Wink


He's 26. McKenzie wasted a 3rd round pick on a 26 year old Olineman. He should be an all pro at 26 like others his age. And he can't even start!! #teamfirereggie
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
Trust me. The McKenzie haters will make sure it's a big deal. Laughing Laughing If every pick isn't a star as a rookie, he deserves to be fired, period.


I've noticed you using the straw man argument a lot lately, it's getting old.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not a Mckenzie hater but Berg was our 1st pick in the draft and he had an extra day to think about it, and now the could be useless and there were gems to still be had. Vontaze Burfict looks like he would have been worth a 3rd round pick now, guy had 1st round talent.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?


Probably not. Get ready to listen to the McKenzie haters running rampant.


I think he could he's just too slow for the Zone but in PBS that's not a big concern.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raidr4life wrote:
Im not a Mckenzie hater but Berg was our 1st pick in the draft and he had an extra day to think about it, and now the could be useless and there were gems to still be had. Vontaze Burfict looks like he would have been worth a 3rd round pick now, guy had 1st round talent.


Even the team Burfict ended up on didn't deem him worthy of a pick in any round. Can't hate on McKenzie for that one unless you're intent on hating on all GMs and scouts in the whole league.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the very little we've seen from Bergstrom, I've noticed that he plays way too upright. He doesn't look too strong either, but that's hard to tell in ZBS where strength can be masked.

He could very well be a useless player/wasted pick, but I think people put too high expectations for him due to his age & the fact that he was our 1st pick in the draft. 3rd round picks don't pan out as much as people think they do. At the time, we truley lacked OL depth, so it's understandable why the pick was made.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

macklemore wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Trust me. The McKenzie haters will make sure it's a big deal. Laughing Laughing If every pick isn't a star as a rookie, he deserves to be fired, period.


I've noticed you using the straw man argument a lot lately, it's getting old.


I love studying argument fallacies. Good one.
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big_palooka wrote:
OakRaiders3828 wrote:
RaisinBran wrote:
holyghost wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
I wonder what the heck is gonna happen to Berg now that the ZBS is gone (hopefully). Does he have what it takes to play in a PBS?


Probably not. Get ready to listen to the McKenzie haters running rampant.


Is Bergstrom really a crucial key to our success? Not even top 20 as far as issues or players go, so whatever happens to him is not very relevant.

Agreed. Nobody is gonna hate on McKenzie for a 3rd round pick. Laughing


People already have, but who knows, maybe berg is a beast in either system Wink


He's 26. McKenzie wasted a 3rd round pick on a 26 year old Olineman. He should be an all pro at 26 like others his age. And he can't even start!! #teamfirereggie


I'm definitely not a Mckenzie hater but I absolutely hated the Bergstrom pick instantly. I gave McKenzie a pass on this one as I don't think he had his scouting aces in place, which better not be the case now. I also believe Bergs is in part the reason Wiz 1.0 is no longer on the staff.
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