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Yibbyl


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some historical data...

2004
OC - Pittsburgh (Cowher was HC)
Whis called 63.3% running plays / 36.7% passing plays (Roethlisberger was a rookie)
W/L Record: 15 - 1
Lost to Patriots in AFC Championship

2005
OC - Pittsburgh (Cowher was HC)
Whis called 59.2% running plays / 40.8% passing plays
W/L Record: 11 - 5
Won Super Bowl

2006
OC - Pittsburgh (Cowher was HC)
Whis called 47.3% running plays / 52.7% passing plays
W/L Record: 8 - 8
Did not make playoffs

As you can see, Whis has run offenses that relied more on the running game than what he has utilized here, so it certainly should not be a foreign idea to him! Now, of course, the success the Steelers had or didn't have did not rest solely on Whis' playcalling. However, it's not hard to imagine that running the ball more than the ~39% he's averaged as HC of the Cards might just be an effective way to: 1) Keep opposing D's guessing, 2) Limit the opposition's scoring chances vs. our D, and 3) Close out a game when we actually do get a lead!

Unfortunately, given the significant chance that Whis remains HC, it feels like about all I can do is pray that someone reminds Whis of his past success with a more frequently used rushing attack and hope he takes the hint.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cusi10 wrote:
per jurecki three teams already dont background checks on horton and will start making visits as of tuesday.

A whiz decision needs to be made monday afternoon.


1. That's not what the report says. The report says he COULD start making visits quote "as early as Tuesday". Nothing it that report said he "will" make visits Tuesday.
2. Even if he does make a visit Tuesday, so what? He's not getting hired Tuesday...

There's no reason to rush a Whiz decision. There's no deadline here, we've got time to think this through.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll bite my tongue on some of the comments made here.


Will be very happy to have Whiz back if he does indeed stay. All we need is a QB worth a damn and we're in playoffs.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

x0x wrote:
I'll bite my tongue on some of the comments made here.


Will be very happy to have Whiz back if he does indeed stay. All we need is a QB worth a damn and we're in playoffs.


i agree. but which qb do you identify as worth a damn cause i have a hard time getting behind one. If im backing any one its trading back into the first round for mike glennon after taking a tackle at 7
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Speculation is also, per Jurecki, that Todd Haley may be a name to watch if he can get a release from deal in Pittsburgh.
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21m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

@jinkered Turner would be great as OC. Would also open the door possibly for Alex Smith, who had success with Turner in SF.
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25m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Jurecki says that Cards will 'try' to sign 'high profile' offensive coordinator. Norv Turner's name has come up.
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Jurecki also says if Whiz unwilling to give up control, Keim/Bidwill will decide whether to keep him.
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27m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Jurecki says that the Bidwills to expect Miller, Grimm to leave, request Whiz to give up control.
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Mike Jurecki on Sports Night says that Rod Graves to be reassigned within organization. Keim likely to be promoted.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iRobot wrote:
Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Speculation is also, per Jurecki, that Todd Haley may be a name to watch if he can get a release from deal in Pittsburgh.
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21m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

@jinkered Turner would be great as OC. Would also open the door possibly for Alex Smith, who had success with Turner in SF.
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25m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Jurecki says that Cards will 'try' to sign 'high profile' offensive coordinator. Norv Turner's name has come up.
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26m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Jurecki also says if Whiz unwilling to give up control, Keim/Bidwill will decide whether to keep him.
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27m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Jurecki says that the Bidwills to expect Miller, Grimm to leave, request Whiz to give up control.
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28m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Mike Jurecki on Sports Night says that Rod Graves to be reassigned within organization. Keim likely to be promoted.


Yup I just watched that and Jurecki said that Horton 'WILL" be visiting on the east coast Tuesday so Champ we do need to move quickly. If whiz doesnt want to make any changes then let him go promote Ray and see about brining haley or turner in here.

Lets get this done.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would ignore that Turner and Alex smith comment bcuz if you look at the season that Alex and Norv were together you'd see that Alex was average or below average and the 9ers finished 7-9. Stretch to say Alex Smith door opens with turner as oc
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was talking about Whiz only offering Haley/Arians the WR coach jobs. Good thing they declined. Both got OC jobs shortly after...

As for Alex & Norv, their top 3 recievers were Antonio Bryant, Arnaz Battle and Eric Johnson so I'm not taking much from that season.
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IMO, Alex Smith ends up with the Jets. Very similar mold as the 9ers, team wise
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cusi10 wrote:
iRobot wrote:
Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Speculation is also, per Jurecki, that Todd Haley may be a name to watch if he can get a release from deal in Pittsburgh.
Expand
21m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

@jinkered Turner would be great as OC. Would also open the door possibly for Alex Smith, who had success with Turner in SF.
View conversation
25m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Jurecki says that Cards will 'try' to sign 'high profile' offensive coordinator. Norv Turner's name has come up.
Expand
26m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Jurecki also says if Whiz unwilling to give up control, Keim/Bidwill will decide whether to keep him.
Expand
27m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Jurecki says that the Bidwills to expect Miller, Grimm to leave, request Whiz to give up control.
Expand
28m Revenge of the Birds Revenge of the Birds ‏@revengeofbirds

Mike Jurecki on Sports Night says that Rod Graves to be reassigned within organization. Keim likely to be promoted.


Yup I just watched that and Jurecki said that Horton 'WILL" be visiting on the east coast Tuesday so Champ we do need to move quickly..


No we don't!!! For the 2nd time, he's not getting hired Tuesday...There is no rush to this AT ALL.

Besides that, the report says he's interviewing on the East Coast. The only East Coast team with a vacancy is Philadelphia and per Schefter, he's not even a top 5 candidate over there. He'd just be fulfilling their Rooney Rule requirements.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Cardinals fired HC Ken Whisenhunt. Up to 7 HCs today.
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There it is boys, Whiz is out. I'll always be thankful for that Super Bowl run in 2008, I'll ALWAYS be thankful for that. Kurt, Larry and Whiz, they did it. I'll never forget it, till the day I kick the bucket but it was time. I said it 3 months ago, it was time.

Wish Whiz the best of luck wherever he ends up.
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Team needed to do this.
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stchamp98 wrote:
There it is boys, Whiz is out. I'll always be thankful for that Super Bowl run in 2008, I'll ALWAYS be thankful for that. Kurt, Larry and Whiz, they did it. I'll never forget it, till the day I kick the bucket but it was time. I said it 3 months ago, it was time.

Wish Whiz the best of luck wherever he ends up.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outta get a Ken appreciation tribute going. Guy was first class and put us on the national map.

Will always be thankful. Goodbye Ken.
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