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Superman(DH23)
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| WindyCity wrote: | | Playoffs 1 time in 6 years |
consistent record means more.
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| OneBadCat wrote: | | Ahah Okay first of all Gamble was lost to IR this year but when healthy he proved to be 2nd only to Revis last season. |
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GOGRIESE
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No one is doubting that he wants to win a SB Superman. The speculation comes in to play on whether he likes the direction of this team right now.
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Superman(DH23)
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| GOGRIESE wrote: | | No one is doubting that he wants to win a SB Superman. The speculation comes in to play on whether he likes the direction of this team right now. |
He's an educated man so I have to believe he thinks improving by 2 games is progression. His decision comes down to whether he believes that talent or coaching is the problem. He came in and w/ 1 real change on the roster got 2 more wins. There was a major talent gap when he took over he knows that. Here's the question I have for all the Lovie haters, if the Bears have even an AVERAGE OL do they win that 1 extra game they needed this year?
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| OneBadCat wrote: | | Ahah Okay first of all Gamble was lost to IR this year but when healthy he proved to be 2nd only to Revis last season. |
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Madmike90
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| WindyCity wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: | | Anyone who thinks that we met or didnt meet Emery's goals is blowing smoke. Speculation at its finest. |
Emery's goals were to start fast, collapse and miss the playoffs.
I would like to hope that our GM had higher expectations then simply going 10-6 beating up on crap teams. |
Emery stated he wanted to progress toward the goal of winning a championship when he was introduced to the media…are you honestly trying to say we haven’t progressed from where we were in 2011? |
We got better on defence and got worse on offences despite having better talent.
There are no participant ribbons in the NFL you either make the playoffs or you miss them.
Emery also stated that he thought this was a playoff team. |
And winning two more games on the season while scoring more points as a team and giving up less points as a team doesn't matter huh? |
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GOGRIESE
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: | | No one is doubting that he wants to win a SB Superman. The speculation comes in to play on whether he likes the direction of this team right now. |
He's an educated man so I have to believe he thinks improving by 2 games is progression. His decision comes down to whether he believes that talent or coaching is the problem. He came in and w/ 1 real change on the roster got 2 more wins. There was a major talent gap when he took over he knows that. Here's the question I have for all the Lovie haters, if the Bears have even an AVERAGE OL do they win that 1 extra game they needed this year? |
Thats exactly why this is going to be a tough decision. Both sides have good points.
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WindyCity
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Playoffs 1 time in 6 years |
consistent record means more. |
It absolutely doesn't, you don't win the Superbowl for going 10-6 you win it by making the playoffs.
You got to get in the tournament.
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Bearsfan9310
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: | | No one is doubting that he wants to win a SB Superman. The speculation comes in to play on whether he likes the direction of this team right now. |
He's an educated man so I have to believe he thinks improving by 2 games is progression. His decision comes down to whether he believes that talent or coaching is the problem. He came in and w/ 1 real change on the roster got 2 more wins. There was a major talent gap when he took over he knows that. Here's the question I have for all the Lovie haters, if the Bears have even an AVERAGE OL do they win that 1 extra game they needed this year? |
Yes they could have made the playoffs with an average OL. But think about the overall picture. We started 7-1 and MISSED the playoffs. Everyone talked about the Bears being Super Bowl contenders at 7-1 and now what? We collapsed. Play-calling has sucked. The offense has been predictable. We didn't win enough against good teams. Sure, 10-6 is a good record. But what about our hyped up 13-3 or 12-4? It didn't happen. |
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Superman(DH23)
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| WindyCity wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Playoffs 1 time in 6 years |
consistent record means more. |
It absolutely doesn't, you don't win the Supebowl for going 10-6 you win it by making the playoffs.
You got to get in the tournament. |
You become a consistent championship contender by winning 10+ games every year. Sure you might catch fire one year, but the GREAT teams in the NFL, you can book every year for 10+ games.
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| OneBadCat wrote: | | Ahah Okay first of all Gamble was lost to IR this year but when healthy he proved to be 2nd only to Revis last season. |
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topwop1
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I'm sure you all know my take by now on what should happen with Lovie. I just don't see how some of you can justify keeping a head coach that guided his team to miss the playoffs after starting the first half of the season 7-1and without any major injuries. It's pretty pathetic and embarrassing. Lovie Smith will never lead this team to a super bowl my friends. The longer they stick with him as head coach the more setback this team will be from reaching their goals.
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SLCbear
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| WindyCity wrote: | The conversation starts and ends with,
We have been to the playoffs 1 time in 6 years that is 16% of the time. |
If the team were dysfunctional, which it is not, then you look at replacing the top leader. We are weak on offense and strong everywhere else actually ......and certainly far from dycfunctional!!
What is making us weak on offense??
Staleness, its utter predictability, and the talent along the line! Lovie is not really responsible for any of these and led our team to a 10-6 finish (which could have easily turned out to be 12-4 if a couple of more plays fell our way)...
A couple of smart picks and a couple of smart FA adds, along with a smart OC hire can make this offense a top 10 unit ....to go along with its perenially dominant Defense and Special Teams! I'm worried that losing Lovie may even have the same effect, on this team, as losing Cutler ....Cutler hides alot of our weaknesses, as does Lovie Im sure; the locker room is always all about Lovie year in and year out!
Lovie has no business hiring, drafting or calling plays on Offense ...but he is absolutely one of the best at everything else a traditional HC is responsible for!
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WindyCity
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Playoffs 1 time in 6 years |
consistent record means more. |
It absolutely doesn't, you don't win the Supebowl for going 10-6 you win it by making the playoffs.
You got to get in the tournament. |
You become a consistent championship contender by winning 10+ games every year. Sure you might catch fire one year, but the GREAT teams in the NFL, you can book every year for 10+ games. |
Being a consistent 9-10 win team is not working for us is it?
Because we have been in the playoffs 1 time in 6 years is your answer to how it is working.
Great teams make the Playoffs and win Superbowls.
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DaMike
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| WindyCity wrote: | We have made the playoffs 1/6 seasons.
We have made the playoffs 33% of Lovie's years.
That is unacceptable. |
This team has never EVER made the playoffs with Brandon Marshall on the team. HE MUST GO! |
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WindyCity
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| DaMike wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | We have made the playoffs 1/6 seasons.
We have made the playoffs 33% of Lovie's years.
That is unacceptable. |
This team has never EVER made the playoffs with Brandon Marshall on the team. HE MUST GO! |
That doesn't address the argument so thank you for taking away from the conversation.
We went to the Superbowl in 2006 and some that point we have made the playoffs 1 time in the next 6 years that cannot be accepted.
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minvikingsfan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: The Off-Season has begun |
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| Sr7252 wrote: | So disappointing that we are out but it simply fuels reasoning for Lovie's departure or a push for a better Offensive Coordinator who will change the offensive culture in Chicago.
Lets hope so. For the record the Vikings will exit the first round..stupid Vikings. |
I understand your frustration but the Bears collapsed harder than any team this year. Yes, the Vikings won't win the Superbowl but they are a more formidable opponent than the Bears going to the playoffs. The Bears looked like a subpar NFL team the second half of the season and only got wins over struggling teams in the second half. I'm not hear to troll but when you suggest the Vikings have no chance, I'll come in and argue. Right now, the Vikings are a better team than the Bears.
Plus, this may be the best thing that happens to your team because it may cause your owners to wake up and fire Smith. Also, you guys you should get rid of Cutler and draft a real qb. |
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Superman(DH23)
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| Bearsfan9310 wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: | | No one is doubting that he wants to win a SB Superman. The speculation comes in to play on whether he likes the direction of this team right now. |
He's an educated man so I have to believe he thinks improving by 2 games is progression. His decision comes down to whether he believes that talent or coaching is the problem. He came in and w/ 1 real change on the roster got 2 more wins. There was a major talent gap when he took over he knows that. Here's the question I have for all the Lovie haters, if the Bears have even an AVERAGE OL do they win that 1 extra game they needed this year? |
Yes they could have made the playoffs with an average OL. But think about the overall picture. We started 7-1 and MISSED the playoffs. Everyone talked about the Bears being Super Bowl contenders at 7-1 and now what? We collapsed. Play-calling has sucked. The offense has been predictable. We didn't win enough against good teams. Sure, 10-6 is a good record. But what about our hyped up 13-3 or 12-4? It didn't happen. |
Play calling was horrendous, no doubt. I have been screaming from the top of my lungs that Tice needs to run the football. Let's not forget 2 things here tho, 1) Tice's hire was universally lauded. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY thought it was a bad decision. None of us had any clue that a run game coordinator, OL coach would simply refuse to run the football. 2) Tice was completely hamstrung by a bottom 3 OL this year.
If I'm making the decision I extend Lovie for 2 years, keep Tice in place. Fix the OL thru both FA and the draft. And make it known that Lovie has to get to the playoffs next year. If I'm Lovie I then tell Tice I expect #22 to touch the football 20-25 times a game and anything less is unacceptable. If we get 3 games in and it ain't happening, Tice you go back to OL coach and Bates takes over playcalling.
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