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| What would you like Oakland to do at QB next season? |
| Start Palmer, develop Pryor |
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ZoomWaffle
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| RaidersAreOne wrote: | | This Chip Kelly hiring got me thinking. If he wants a mobile QB, this adds another team looking like a potential trading partner for Pryor. For those of you who are willing to develop him and say, trade him, what would you want in return? I for one want to keep him and would not trade him for anything less then a low 2nd. Sure its alot for an unproven backup, but trading him for a 3rd would just be a wash compared to where we drafted him. I would prefer to keep him as the potential QBOTF and use him in special packages if he is not ready to start next season. |
A common misconception about Chip Kelly is that he needs a mobile QB. He may want one, but then again I think most HCs without an established QB would like to have a QB with that added dimension. Since his time at Oregon, he has been able to adapt his offense and his gameplan to all of his players- QBs included. Masoli was a good runner and bad passer, so they ran more of an option. Thomas was a good passer but nothing special as a runner, so they passed more. Mariota is a good passer and good runner, so they ran a more balanced offense than with the previous QBs. Kelly is a bold and smart playcaller, but his real genius IMO is his ability to find what his players are best at, letting them do that, and getting the most out of them.
I dont think he will go out of his way for a mobile QB, especially not one as raw as Pryor. Kelly will do just fine with a good ol' fashioned pocket passer if thats what he's got.
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| La_Vader wrote: | | I wouldn't trade Pryor for any prospect in this years draft. Quote me on that |
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DOCLEW 28
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If Kelly came with an offer that included Foles I would junp at it.
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | If Kelly came with an offer that included Foles I would junp at it. |
Vick starting, Pryor waiting as 2nd string. Sounds good to me!!!
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Quote: |
you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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Django
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | Good theory. Will be interesting. When I found out Kelly went there, I was wondering how Foles would fit in. I'd take Foles for Pryor all day, every day. Kelly has first hand experience in watching Pryor also 4 years ago I believe it was.
DO IT!! |
Now THAT is something I'd be interested in. I wanted Foles as a developmental guy that draft but we didn't get him. |
It literally is the PERFECT scenario.
>Roll w/ Palmer until he's done
>Let Foles sit and learn for a year or two
> Implement a well groomed Foles
> QB for 5-7 years hopefully
> Happy Raider fans
I am crossing my fingers BIG TIME w/ this one especially more since Pryor had a pretty good game against Oregon that year. PLEASE let this happen. I knew the off-season would be exciting LOL. |
Pryor had his best game ever against Oregon didnt he?
Do it..
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Burgesskills
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Now THAT is something I'd be interested in. I wanted Foles as a developmental guy that draft but we didn't get him. |
Really? I've heard it all now. You guys dog Pryor all day every day, but we saw a much bigger preview of what Nick Foles could do...he looked awful.
Tagg what's all this talk about the Saints losing in the same breathe as Brees? I thought wins losses weren't the QB's responsibility (still sounds/looks dumb)? You're going to compare the Saints situation to the Raiders? Jackson was let go and replaced, Sean Payton was suspended. Brees running game was horrible and their defense is bad too. They throw the ball a lot. The int's he threw this year were terrible, to me even all the TD's don't make up for it, but he was still way more effective than Palmer and they won more games than us...
Palmer is not anything more than decent, face it. Comparing Palmer to a future HOF QB is laughable.... |
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Django
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| RaidersAreOne wrote: | | Django wrote: | | RaidersAreOne wrote: | | This Chip Kelly hiring got me thinking. If he wants a mobile QB, this adds another team looking like a potential trading partner for Pryor. For those of you who are willing to develop him and say, trade him, what would you want in return? I for one want to keep him and would not trade him for anything less then a low 2nd. Sure its alot for an unproven backup, but trading him for a 3rd would just be a wash compared to where we drafted him. I would prefer to keep him as the potential QBOTF and use him in special packages if he is not ready to start next season. |
Here ya go..
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8814504/nfl-terrelle-pryor-matt-flynn-quarterbacks-philadelphia-ealges-target-chip-kelly |
Cant read the good stuff since im not an "insider"... damn website. Wanna paste what they say? |
Was actually hoping somebody pasted it as well....At least the Pryor part.. |
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Burgesskills
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Brees 670 attempts 43 TD's and 19 Ints and his team won 7 games
Palmer 565 attempts 22 TD's and 14 Int's...4 wins.... |
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ZoomWaffle
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Burgesskills wrote: | Brees 670 attempts 43 TD's and 19 Ints and his team won 7 games
Palmer 565 attempts 22 TD's and 14 Int's...4 wins.... |
I'm confused what this is about. Brees is obviously better than Palmer, something nobody has ever argued, but if you are focusing on wins, at least acknowledge that the Saints roster and staff are much better than ours, too.
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Django wrote: |
Pryor had his best game ever against Oregon didnt he?
Do it.. |
I do believe he did. I really hope this happens and this team has taught me whenever I really hope something happens, it doesnt' happen......
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Quote: |
you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Burgesskills wrote: | Brees 670 attempts 43 TD's and 19 Ints and his team won 7 games
Palmer 565 attempts 22 TD's and 14 Int's...4 wins.... |
I'm confused what this is about. Brees is obviously better than Palmer, something nobody has ever argued, but if you are focusing on wins, at least acknowledge that the Saints roster and staff are much better than ours, too. |
More wasted keystrokes LOL
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Quote: |
you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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Chali21
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Burgesskills wrote: | Brees 670 attempts 43 TD's and 19 Ints and his team won 7 games
Palmer 565 attempts 22 TD's and 14 Int's...4 wins.... |
I'm confused what this is about. Brees is obviously better than Palmer, something nobody has ever argued, but if you are focusing on wins, at least acknowledge that the Saints roster and staff are much better than ours, too. |
Bress also scored 21 more TDs that's 126 more points..imagine how many more games we win scoring those TDs.. |
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holyghost
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Chali21 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Burgesskills wrote: | Brees 670 attempts 43 TD's and 19 Ints and his team won 7 games
Palmer 565 attempts 22 TD's and 14 Int's...4 wins.... |
I'm confused what this is about. Brees is obviously better than Palmer, something nobody has ever argued, but if you are focusing on wins, at least acknowledge that the Saints roster and staff are much better than ours, too. |
Bress also scored 21 more TDs that's 126 more points..imagine how many more games we win scoring those TDs.. |
Now I am confused and I must say this argument has descended into entire stupidity.
Brees >>> Palmer. Who here doesn't already know and accept this? |
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Dessie
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| holyghost wrote: | | Chali21 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Burgesskills wrote: | Brees 670 attempts 43 TD's and 19 Ints and his team won 7 games
Palmer 565 attempts 22 TD's and 14 Int's...4 wins.... |
I'm confused what this is about. Brees is obviously better than Palmer, something nobody has ever argued, but if you are focusing on wins, at least acknowledge that the Saints roster and staff are much better than ours, too. |
Bress also scored 21 more TDs that's 126 more points..imagine how many more games we win scoring those TDs.. |
Now I am confused and I must say this argument has descended into entire stupidity.
Brees >>> Palmer. Who here doesn't already know and accept this? |
Think we must be reading it wrong as Burgesskills is a postive poster.
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In my opinion they are a joke. In the last ten years there drafts sucked. |
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NickButera
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Dessie wrote: | | holyghost wrote: | | Chali21 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Burgesskills wrote: | Brees 670 attempts 43 TD's and 19 Ints and his team won 7 games
Palmer 565 attempts 22 TD's and 14 Int's...4 wins.... |
I'm confused what this is about. Brees is obviously better than Palmer, something nobody has ever argued, but if you are focusing on wins, at least acknowledge that the Saints roster and staff are much better than ours, too. |
Bress also scored 21 more TDs that's 126 more points..imagine how many more games we win scoring those TDs.. |
Now I am confused and I must say this argument has descended into entire stupidity.
Brees >>> Palmer. Who here doesn't already know and accept this? |
Think we must be reading it wrong as Burgesskills is a postive poster. |
When I read it, the first thing I thought of was; Wow, here's an elite QB who has the ability to put his team on his back, and threw for double the amount of TD's as Palmer did.... and their team still could only come up with a below mediocre 7 wins and were never in the playoff picture once this season.
What I got from it was the disconnect between QB stats/play and a teams win total. But I don't know for sure what he was trying to say 
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Baggabonez
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| ESPN Insider wrote: | | Terrelle Pryor: In no way does he appear ready to be a full-time NFL starter. Not at all, in fact. But he could be a nice developmental prospect, and is there a team in the NFL more desperate for draft picks than the Raiders? Even if they don't want Pryor to start, the Eagles should make a call to Reggie McKenzie to assess his cost. It's hard to think of a system where Pryor would have a better chance to succeed. |
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