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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Steelers draft position Reply with quote

Anybody know what our draft position is looking like as of now?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe we're sitting at around 13th as of right now(no afternoon games). However, we will up at either 17th or 18th I believe after the afternoon games. Depends on Miami.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like were sitting at 15-16 at the moment, pending the St. Louis, Miami & Dallas outcomes. 17 or 18 looks likely.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth.....

http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.ca/

He says,

"The Giants and Cowboys already have eight with. Miami, St. Louis and New Orleans are sitting with seven wins.

All have better strength of schedules than the Steelers. So there's a chance the Steelers could win and still have the 14th pick at the end of the day."
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now the Steelers are picking #15 overall with a win today and New Orleans losing today (thereby jumping Pittsburgh as they finished 7-9).

If Miami loses we'll be drafting at #16.
If St. Louis loses we'll be drafting at #17.

Worst we can finish is #17 overall. Dallas has a significantly higher SOS than us going into tonight's game and won't factor in even at 8-8. It's either going to be 15, 16, or 17 dependent on St. Louis and Miami.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LTF wrote:
Right now the Steelers are picking #15 overall with a win today and New Orleans losing today (thereby jumping Pittsburgh as they finished 7-9).

If Miami loses we'll be drafting at #16.
If St. Louis loses we'll be drafting at #17.

Worst we can finish is #17 overall. Dallas has a significantly higher SOS than us going into tonight's game and won't factor in even at 8-8. It's either going to be 15, 16, or 17 dependent on St. Louis and Miami.


We will pick 17th unless the Rams win, then we will pick 16th.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would we have picked had we lost?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we win and rob ourselves of 4-5 spots, at the same time, increasing the Browns draft position by a spot.

I get that we should never root for a divisional rival "sweep", but 5 years from now, how many will remember we won today vs the impact of the player taken at 12/13 vice player taken at 16/17. That's all I'm saying.

Regardless, this year will "hopefully" be an anomoly that we are drafting from a non-playoff position. The cost of moving up for an impact player will be less than most years, so if the opportunity or need presents itself, this is the year Colbert should consider making a move up. We can't always expect a DD-type player drops to us.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghengis Graz wrote:
What would we have picked had we lost?


We would've jumped Carolina and Tampa Bay to be drafting #12 overall.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ward4HOF wrote:
I get that we should never root for a divisional rival "sweep", but 5 years from now, how many will remember we won today vs the impact of the player taken at 12/13 vice player taken at 16/17. That's all I'm saying.


No offense, but thats poor logic.

We pick lower than the Browns every single year and we are still better than them every single year.

Picking higher doesnt guarantee you anything.

And in this draft, there is really no true cant miss talent.

Also...last year, everyone thought we had no chance of DeCastro, and we ended up with him anyway.

Players fall, and drafting 4 spots later isnt likely to make a dramatic difference, if any at all.

I wouldve prefered to lose too since the win does nothing, but either way its not a huge deal. Its not like its the difference between the 16th pick and 2nd overall. In that case, that would be different.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who plays sports competitively, I can honestly say that I've never went into a game and said "well, this one doesn't matter".
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

honestly, this draft; lower or higher picks wouldn't really make any difference.

I personally rather see Charlie Batch plays, rest some key players for next year BUT in progress, play to win the game. We didn't do that, however we won, no sweep for the Browns.

few picks only makes our pick more certain and locking down on very few prospects compared to where it could have been multiple prospects.

We may miss out on some prospects similar to the year we drafted Timmons (Darrell Revis and Patrick Willis) but this year the draft class is very different, where it's more stretched due to superior depth of defensive talents where back in 2007 there were MORE prospects with elite potentials.

So the outcome may be noticed at first, but wouldn't be that much of difference (I.E. Dion Jordan goes to some team, we draft get Chase Thomas, will the outcome be that much of different at first sighting? no)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kysteeler wrote:
LTF wrote:
Right now the Steelers are picking #15 overall with a win today and New Orleans losing today (thereby jumping Pittsburgh as they finished 7-9).

If Miami loses we'll be drafting at #16.
If St. Louis loses we'll be drafting at #17.

Worst we can finish is #17 overall. Dallas has a significantly higher SOS than us going into tonight's game and won't factor in even at 8-8. It's either going to be 15, 16, or 17 dependent on St. Louis and Miami.


We will pick 17th unless the Rams win, then we will pick 16th.


Indeed the Steelers pick is officially #17.

It would be ironic if the Steelers use the #17 pick to possibly replace #17.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ward4HOF wrote:
how many will remember we won today vs the impact of the player taken at 12/13 vice player taken at 16/17. .


2004 draft - we took Ben at 1.11. Buffalo drafted at 1.13. They traded up from the 2nd round to draft JP Losman at 1.22. Think they take Ben instead of Lee Evans if he falls past us to 1.13?

some other notable (recent) draft picks

2005:
1.11 - DeMarcus Ware
1.12 - Shawne Merriman
1.17 - David Pollack
1.18 - Erasmus James

2006:
1.12 - Haloti Ngata
1.13 Kam Wimbley
1.16 - Jason Allen
1.17 - Chad Greenway
1.18 - Bobby Carpenter

2007:
1.11 - Patrick Willis
1.12 - Marshawn Lynch
1.14 - Darrelle Revis
1.16 - Justin Harrell
1.17 - Jarvis Moss
1.18 - Leon Hall

2008:
1.12 - Ryan Clady
1.18 - Joe Flacco (tee hee)

2009:
1.13 - Brian Orakpo
1.15 - Brian Cushing
1.16 - Larry English
1.18 - Robert Ayers

2010:
1.11 - Anthony Davis
1.14 - Earl Thomas
1.15 - Jason Pierre-Paul
1.17 - Mike Iupati
1.18 - Maurkice Pouncey (finally, the 1.18 is pretty good)

2011:
1.11 - JJ Watt
1.16 - Ryan Kerrigan
1.18 - Corey Liuget (again, pretty darn good, but JJ WATT!?!?!)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xjayex wrote:
As someone who plays sports competitively, I can honestly say that I've never went into a game and said "well, this one doesn't matter".


Im sure alot of people on here have played competitively at one point or another.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

No one is saying that they shouldve thrown the game....just that a win was nothing more than a morale and maybe personal victory, and that losing in the long run may have benefited the franchise more.
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