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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:21 am    Post subject: 2013 NFL Draft Thread Reply with quote



I thought we should have one main thread for everyone to talk about potential picks for us, or for anyone.

Bowl season is in swing, and in here would be a good place to discuss how players are playing.

I guess we can post mocks in here as well, or whatever you want.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

from another thread:

adam9 wrote:
devils1854 wrote:
I've had Okafor as a late 1st guy for a while. I doubt this one game will alter that much with the depth at DE this draft

43 DE(my rankings)
1.DaMontre Moore-Texas A&M(top 5 overall)
2.Sam Montgomery-LSU(top 10)
3.Barkevious Mingo-LSU(top 20)
4.Alex Okafor-Texas(top 25)
5.Bjoern Werner-Florida State(top 25)
6.Dion Jordan-Oregon(top 35)
7.Ezekiel Ansah-BYU(top 35)

At least a couple of those guys will be available with our pick.

This looks right but I hear the stock is dropping on Montgomery. Not too sure why.. Anzah seems like a guy TD would draft. The good thing is I think after those first 2-3, the next 4 don't have much of a drop off. Jordan, Anzah, and Mingo are all almost on JPP's athletic level IMO.


I don't understand it with Montgomery. He had almost identical seasons in 2011 and 2012. He might have the most upside of any DE. I've never heard of him being a discipline problem, maybe could have better work ethic, but that's not a huge deal.

I could see Okafor being a TD pick. 4 year starter. High character. High production. Maybe not quite the upside of a couple other guys.

I'm worried about one real year of production for Ansah, and I don't quite think the JPP comparison that some are throwing around, is accurate. I think he should go to a 34 team. I think he'll grow into a 5 tech, ending up somewhere around 290-295.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im going to post my top 32 prospects. Its early, so this can change quite a bit.

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1.Jarvis Jones/OLB/Georgia
2.Star Lotulelei/DT/Utah
3.Luke Joeckel/OT/Texas A&M
4.DaMontre Moore/DE-OLB/Texas A&M
5.Dee Millner/CB/Alabama
6.Sam Montgomery/DE/LSU
7.Tyler Wilson/QB/Arkansas
8.Alec Ogletree/ILB/Georgia
9.Sheldon Richardson/DT/Missouri
10.Taylor Lewan/OT/Michigan
11.Chance Warmack/OG/Alabama
12.Jonathan Hankins/DT/Ohio State
13.Jonathan Banks/CB/Mississippi State
14.Keenan Allen/WR/California
15.Jake Matthews/OT/Texas A&M
16.Barkevious Mingo/OLB-DE/LSU
17.Terrence Williams/WR/Baylor
18.Eric Fisher/OT/Central Michigan
19.Mike Glennon/QB/North Carolina State
20.Jonathan Cooper/OG/North Carolina
21.Xavier Rhodes/CB/Florida State
22.Justin Hunter/WR/Tennessee
23.Manti Te'o/ILB/Notre Dame
24.John Jenkins/DT/Georgia
25.Geno Smith/QB/West Virginia
26.Alex Okafor/DE/Texas
27.Bjoren Werner/DE-OLB/Florida State
28.DeAndre Hopkins/WR/Clemson
29.Barrett Jones/OG-C/Alabama
30.Cordarrelle Patterson/WR/Tennessee
31.Eddie Lacy/RB/Alabama
32.Giovani Bernard/RB/North Carolina

Just Missed:
Dion Jordan, Ezekiel Ansah, Jordan Poyer

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for making this thread. Thought I'd put my input on a few guys we could take with our first couple of picks. In no particular order:

1. DE Alex Okafor, Texas - As most of you know this guy just lit it up in his bowl game. As a Texas fan I've gotten a four year taste of the guy and he's been nothing but impressive. The guy is crazy fast off the line and has even more power than people think. Also, he's gotten better every year of his collegiate career.

Career Stats (Unofficial): 51 Games Played (32 starts), 170 Tackles (87 Solo), 32 Tackles for loss, 22 Sacks, 7 Forced Fumbles, 54 QB pressures.

2. DE Ezekiel Ansah, BYU - One thing I've noticed while watching this guy is that he simply never gives up. He's a very good athlete for his size and I wouldn't be surprised if he is off the board by our pick. However, as Devil mentioned he doesn't have a ton of experience in football (I think he started playing his senior year of HS), which is not a huge deal IMO.

Career Stats (Unofficial): 31 Games Played, 72 Tackles (39 Solo), 13 Tackles for loss, 4.5 Sacks, 1 Interceptions, 1 Forced Fumbles.

3. DE Dion Jordan, Oregon - Now this guy is a total stud. Absolute freak athlete and IMO has the highest upside of all the players you'll see on my list. One thing I love to see on film is a DE catching RBs from behind. Not to mention the guy is 6'7 241 lbs.

Career Stats (Unofficial/Before Bowl Game): 33 Games Played, 77 Tackles (47 Solo), 18.5 Tackles for loss, 9.5 Sacks, 1 Forced Fumbles.

4. RB Giovani Bernard, UNC - Strong, fast, and agile. This guy can play ball. Probably the best RB in this class and i would love to have him. He almost always falls forward which is always a good thing. Also is a great receiver with 47 catches for 490 yards and 5 touchdowns on the year. This is a guy we could bring in and would be an immediate upgrade without a doubt.

Career Stats (Before Bowl Games): 23 Games Played, 423 Carries, 2481 Yards, 5.9 YPC, 25 Rushing TDs, 92 Receptions, 852 Yards, 9.3 YPR, 6 Receiving TDs.

5. RB Stefan Taylor, Stanford - If we could somehow snag this guy in the 2nd I'd be ecstatic. He could very well end up being the best RB in this draft class. Lots of power behind this guy and him playing in a pro style offense doesn't hurt. I like his vision a lot and seems to break a lot of tackles (especially arm tackles). I just wish he he had a bit more top end speed. But honestly I think he's a very underrated prospect.

Career Stats (Before Bowl Game): 52 Games Played, 823 carries, 4212 Yards, 5.1 YPC, 39 Rushing TDs, 94 Receptions, 761 Yards, 8.1 YPR, 5 Receiving TDs.

6. RB Joseph Randle, Oklahoma State - Another underrated prospect IMO. He had a bit of a production drop off from his Sophomore year to his Junior year. He still put up some great numbers in a very good conference. The guy has CRAZY wiggle. Probably one of the most agile guys in college football right now. He should continue to be a walking highlight reel on Sundays. He will most likely be available in the late 2nd.

Career Stats (Before Bowl Game): 38 Games Played, 547 Carries, 3019 Yards, 5.5 YPC 40 Rushing TDs, 108 Receptions, 917 Yards, 8.5 YPR, 3 Receiving TDs.

Keep in mind this is just a few guy I would like to go after. I'll most likely add more soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

devils1854 wrote:
from another thread:

adam9 wrote:
devils1854 wrote:
I've had Okafor as a late 1st guy for a while. I doubt this one game will alter that much with the depth at DE this draft

43 DE(my rankings)
1.DaMontre Moore-Texas A&M(top 5 overall)
2.Sam Montgomery-LSU(top 10)
3.Barkevious Mingo-LSU(top 20)
4.Alex Okafor-Texas(top 25)
5.Bjoern Werner-Florida State(top 25)
6.Dion Jordan-Oregon(top 35)
7.Ezekiel Ansah-BYU(top 35)

At least a couple of those guys will be available with our pick.

This looks right but I hear the stock is dropping on Montgomery. Not too sure why.. Anzah seems like a guy TD would draft. The good thing is I think after those first 2-3, the next 4 don't have much of a drop off. Jordan, Anzah, and Mingo are all almost on JPP's athletic level IMO.


I don't understand it with Montgomery. He had almost identical seasons in 2011 and 2012. He might have the most upside of any DE. I've never heard of him being a discipline problem, maybe could have better work ethic, but that's not a huge deal.

I could see Okafor being a TD pick. 4 year starter. High character. High production. Maybe not quite the upside of a couple other guys.

I'm worried about one real year of production for Ansah, and I don't quite think the JPP comparison that some are throwing around, is accurate. I think he should go to a 34 team. I think he'll grow into a 5 tech, ending up somewhere around 290-295.

Yeah I like Sam too, although he apparently isn't "committed" to football completely. I do like how Sam plays the game though.

Anzah to me has a boom/bust factor and honestly Jordan does too. Really like Okafor and Anzah of those 7.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since i do not watch College Football i will be listening to you guys thoroughly.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you guys think we need to draft an offensive lineman?

Our current situation at O-line could play out as so (assuming the loss of Todd McClure)

1. Baker-Blalock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

2. Holmes-Blalock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

3. Baker-Blalock-Konz-Clabo-Holmes

If we draft a guy, I would hope for a pretty big guard and move Konz to center. I'm also very big on going after a guy like Jake Long in free agency and moving Holmes to right tackle and sliding Clabo to guard where he would shine.

Thoughts?
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Willthethrill_H wrote:
Do you guys think we need to draft an offensive lineman?

Our current situation at O-line could play out as so (assuming the loss of Todd McClure)

1. Baker-Blalock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

2. Holmes-Blalock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

3. Baker-Blalock-Konz-Clabo-Holmes

If we draft a guy, I would hope for a pretty big guard and move Konz to center. I'm also very big on going after a guy like Jake Long in free agency and moving Holmes to right tackle and sliding Clabo to guard where he would shine.

Thoughts?


We've drafted too many linemen that haven't panned out, or were still waiting for them to make an impact. Adding a rookie linemen to a line that MIGHT feature Hawley/Konz/Holmes is just asking for trouble. If we add a lineman, it has to be a vet.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam9 wrote:
devils1854 wrote:
from another thread:

adam9 wrote:
devils1854 wrote:
I've had Okafor as a late 1st guy for a while. I doubt this one game will alter that much with the depth at DE this draft

43 DE(my rankings)
1.DaMontre Moore-Texas A&M(top 5 overall)
2.Sam Montgomery-LSU(top 10)
3.Barkevious Mingo-LSU(top 20)
4.Alex Okafor-Texas(top 25)
5.Bjoern Werner-Florida State(top 25)
6.Dion Jordan-Oregon(top 35)
7.Ezekiel Ansah-BYU(top 35)

At least a couple of those guys will be available with our pick.

This looks right but I hear the stock is dropping on Montgomery. Not too sure why.. Anzah seems like a guy TD would draft. The good thing is I think after those first 2-3, the next 4 don't have much of a drop off. Jordan, Anzah, and Mingo are all almost on JPP's athletic level IMO.


I don't understand it with Montgomery. He had almost identical seasons in 2011 and 2012. He might have the most upside of any DE. I've never heard of him being a discipline problem, maybe could have better work ethic, but that's not a huge deal.

I could see Okafor being a TD pick. 4 year starter. High character. High production. Maybe not quite the upside of a couple other guys.

I'm worried about one real year of production for Ansah, and I don't quite think the JPP comparison that some are throwing around, is accurate. I think he should go to a 34 team. I think he'll grow into a 5 tech, ending up somewhere around 290-295.

Yeah I like Sam too, although he apparently isn't "committed" to football completely. I do like how Sam plays the game though.

Anzah to me has a boom/bust factor and honestly Jordan does too. Really like Okafor and Anzah of those 7.


If we are looking for a 1st rd DE to make an immediate impact , then we should stay away from Ansah or Jordan. IF either pans out, it's going to be in year two or later IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

devils1854 wrote:
Willthethrill_H wrote:
Do you guys think we need to draft an offensive lineman?

Our current situation at O-line could play out as so (assuming the loss of Todd McClure)

1. Baker-Blalock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

2. Holmes-Blalock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

3. Baker-Blalock-Konz-Clabo-Holmes

If we draft a guy, I would hope for a pretty big guard and move Konz to center. I'm also very big on going after a guy like Jake Long in free agency and moving Holmes to right tackle and sliding Clabo to guard where he would shine.

Thoughts?


We've drafted too many linemen that haven't panned out, or were still waiting for them to make an impact. Adding a rookie linemen to a line that MIGHT feature Hawley/Konz/Holmes is just asking for trouble. If we add a lineman, it has to be a vet.


That's a fair assessment. Any ideas on who might be a good target? My personal favorite is Long if he's available, but its possible the contract that would be required to get him off the free agent market would be too big.
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Willthethrill_H wrote:
devils1854 wrote:
Willthethrill_H wrote:
Do you guys think we need to draft an offensive lineman?

Our current situation at O-line could play out as so (assuming the loss of Todd McClure)

1. Baker-Blalock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

2. Holmes-Blalock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

3. Baker-Blalock-Konz-Clabo-Holmes

If we draft a guy, I would hope for a pretty big guard and move Konz to center. I'm also very big on going after a guy like Jake Long in free agency and moving Holmes to right tackle and sliding Clabo to guard where he would shine.

Thoughts?


We've drafted too many linemen that haven't panned out, or were still waiting for them to make an impact. Adding a rookie linemen to a line that MIGHT feature Hawley/Konz/Holmes is just asking for trouble. If we add a lineman, it has to be a vet.


That's a fair assessment. Any ideas on who might be a good target? My personal favorite is Long if he's available, but its possible the contract that would be required to get him off the free agent market would be too big.


I doubt we bring any big names in. We drafted Holmes for the future, and if Baker isn't resigned, then he will probably slide into the LT spot. We could bring in a cheap vet to challenge him, but the dreams of Jake Long or Ryan Clady aren't going to come true.

Holmes-Blaylock-Hawley-Konz-Clabo

That will probably be the OL next year IMO
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we need to sign a LT and TE in FA and draft everything else. pretty much BPA (except WR and QB)
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For anyone watching the Rose Bowl, who has impressed you the most so far of the draft prospects? Ball, Taylor, or Ertz? I really like the way Ball has been running but they all have looked nice.
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Willthethrill_H wrote:
For anyone watching the Rose Bowl, who has impressed you the most so far of the draft prospects? Ball, Taylor, or Ertz? I really like the way Ball has been running but they all have looked nice.

Out of those 3 Ertz is at the top of my wish list. Taylor or Ball would be great 3rd round picks. Ertz would be a nice 2nd-3rd round pickup. All would be swell for the right price.
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honestly, Sam Montgomery is garbage. So is Mingo. Monty has a lot of issues off the field.
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