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If that ship is on the helmet i'm changing teams..
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Nike has made some extremely awesome and extremely horrific uniforms. I honestly like the Seattle uniforms and wouldn't mind something like that or Minny. I will vomit if its 2 tone like Jacksonville or something stupid like that. I like the masculine logo we have now and even tho we don't have a rich history like GB we better not mess this logo up and make it look girly. Sapp seems to like it tho so maybe that's a good sign. The chrome grill thing makes me think we are gonna be the Oregon of the southeast and that would be sick.
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People do realize that it could be as simple as the Panthers switch was a couple years back. Just make it look a little more updated. I wouldn't read much into it until seeing it.
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NFL.com predicts Davin Joseph to have a very good chance of being cut due to his high salary and Donald Penn as a less likely chance but a solid possibility he will be asked to restructure. Pretty much what we all thought. Any idea who will be starting at RG or LG if Nicks can't return. Maybe a draft pick..
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Lil' Shorty wrote:
NFL.com predicts Davin Joseph to have a very good chance of being cut due to his high salary and Donald Penn as a less likely chance but a solid possibility he will be asked to restructure. Pretty much what we all thought. Any idea who will be starting at RG or LG if Nicks can't return. Maybe a draft pick..

Either Greg Robinson or Gabe Jackson
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djw4bucs wrote:
Lil' Shorty wrote:
NFL.com predicts Davin Joseph to have a very good chance of being cut due to his high salary and Donald Penn as a less likely chance but a solid possibility he will be asked to restructure. Pretty much what we all thought. Any idea who will be starting at RG or LG if Nicks can't return. Maybe a draft pick..

Either Greg Robinson or Gabe Jackson


Gabe Jackson round 2. I really like him. I just hope we don't go Cyril Richardson. He got bullied in all senior bowl aspects. Big guy but no power.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
djw4bucs wrote:
Lil' Shorty wrote:
NFL.com predicts Davin Joseph to have a very good chance of being cut due to his high salary and Donald Penn as a less likely chance but a solid possibility he will be asked to restructure. Pretty much what we all thought. Any idea who will be starting at RG or LG if Nicks can't return. Maybe a draft pick..

Either Greg Robinson or Gabe Jackson


Gabe Jackson round 2. I really like him. I just hope we don't go Cyril Richardson. He got bullied in all senior bowl aspects. Big guy but no power.

I wouldn't even take Cyril in the 4th maybe the 5th
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
djw4bucs wrote:
Lil' Shorty wrote:
NFL.com predicts Davin Joseph to have a very good chance of being cut due to his high salary and Donald Penn as a less likely chance but a solid possibility he will be asked to restructure. Pretty much what we all thought. Any idea who will be starting at RG or LG if Nicks can't return. Maybe a draft pick..

Either Greg Robinson or Gabe Jackson


Gabe Jackson round 2. I really like him. I just hope we don't go Cyril Richardson. He got bullied in all senior bowl aspects. Big guy but no power.

Yeah I'd be cool with that. I highly doubt Penn isn't our LT next year at a pay cut so there isn't a need to draft Robinson IMO. He is a T not a G. But if Teddy Manziel and Watkins were gone I'd take him. This is probably the deepest draft in 10 years and preticularily good at OL. With Tedford not seemingly valuing TEs as much as speed guys that can create space like Watkins or Cooks, granted Watkins is more of a #1 than Cooks, an OL seems more likely in the 2nd than a TE now. I'd be down with Gabe Jackson. I honestly really trust Licht's drafting ability so ill roll with what he does until he proves otherwise.
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I've been saying Jackson for some time now. At the top of the second we should be able to nail one of the top G prospects. I would like us to draft a C as well. Restructure Zuttah contract and have him and rookie battle it out. I'm not a fan of Zuttah but he would be great to have as a depth guy seeing as he could spot fill any of the three interior positions.

We have so much flexibility right now on our line. I know some around here are happy or think that our line isn't as bad as it seems but I would like a complete redo besides Dotson.

We could drop Penn and gain his $16m owed over the next two years. Draft Matthews or Robinson or move Dotson over to lt. We could ask him to redo his deal and dump Joseph this year and Nicks next year. I think it's nuts that we are paying Nicks, Zuttah and Joseph around $18m per year. We need to get younger, cheaper and more explosive if we want to take advantage of Doug Martin.
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deuces22wild wrote:
I've been saying Jackson for some time now. At the top of the second we should be able to nail one of the top G prospects. I would like us to draft a C as well. Restructure Zuttah contract and have him and rookie battle it out. I'm not a fan of Zuttah but he would be great to have as a depth guy seeing as he could spot fill any of the three interior positions.

We have so much flexibility right now on our line. I know some around here are happy or think that our line isn't as bad as it seems but I would like a complete redo besides Dotson.

We could drop Penn and gain his $16m owed over the next two years. Draft Matthews or Robinson or move Dotson over to lt. We could ask him to redo his deal and dump Joseph this year and Nicks next year. I think it's nuts that we are paying Nicks, Zuttah and Joseph around $18m per year. We need to get younger, cheaper and more explosive if we want to take advantage of Doug Martin.

Personally I'd still love to grab Alex Mack for our C and pay him around $7-$8 per. Since Banner is no longer in Cleveland I think there is a much greater chance he stays but we do have his old OL coach. If we go value with all our other signings and see the need to revamp our OL over the next two years, Mack has to be considered by Licht. Our owners would be on board after the past few seasons I would think and as a GM you don't just write a player off cuz be won't be super cheap.

I say cut Joseph and draft his replacement then sign Mack to be the C. Give Nicks one more season to see if he can be healthy or even play again at a reduced salary and start thinking about Penn's future. I don't wanna go all OL like you suggested deuces cuz IMO we need some offensive playmakers. I'd take care of the weakest links this year and then the other two positions next year.
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Eh I'm not willing to pay Mack that cash. He's a definite upgrade over Zuttah but Zuttah was solid. Not great but not terrible. It's not a huge need.

I still am not comfortable just riding with glennon. He hasn't proved he could make enough plays to win ball games.

I'll post my updated mock draft and off season before free agency starts.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
Eh I'm not willing to pay Mack that cash. He's a definite upgrade over Zuttah but Zuttah was solid. Not great but not terrible. It's not a huge need.

I still am not comfortable just riding with glennon. He hasn't proved he could make enough plays to win ball games.

I'll post my updated mock draft and off season before free agency starts.


Zuttah is TERRIBLE! Not a huge need?? He is the weakest link on our o-line....it made me sick at times how we were unable to get a run game going all game because the A gap would get blown tf up.

I been screaming for a new Center for 3 seasons now.

He is an average guard but a bad Center
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I wouldn't mind drafting a guard in round 2, but a big hell no to drafting a tackle round 1 and then a guard round 2. If even one of them is anything but a top player, the draft becomes a bit of a waste at the top. No impact players whatsoever.
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Lil' Shorty wrote:
deuces22wild wrote:
I've been saying Jackson for some time now. At the top of the second we should be able to nail one of the top G prospects. I would like us to draft a C as well. Restructure Zuttah contract and have him and rookie battle it out. I'm not a fan of Zuttah but he would be great to have as a depth guy seeing as he could spot fill any of the three interior positions.

We have so much flexibility right now on our line. I know some around here are happy or think that our line isn't as bad as it seems but I would like a complete redo besides Dotson.

We could drop Penn and gain his $16m owed over the next two years. Draft Matthews or Robinson or move Dotson over to lt. We could ask him to redo his deal and dump Joseph this year and Nicks next year. I think it's nuts that we are paying Nicks, Zuttah and Joseph around $18m per year. We need to get younger, cheaper and more explosive if we want to take advantage of Doug Martin.

Personally I'd still love to grab Alex Mack for our C and pay him around $7-$8 per. Since Banner is no longer in Cleveland I think there is a much greater chance he stays but we do have his old OL coach. If we go value with all our other signings and see the need to revamp our OL over the next two years, Mack has to be considered by Licht. Our owners would be on board after the past few seasons I would think and as a GM you don't just write a player off cuz be won't be super cheap.

I say cut Joseph and draft his replacement then sign Mack to be the C. Give Nicks one more season to see if he can be healthy or even play again at a reduced salary and start thinking about Penn's future. I don't wanna go all OL like you suggested deuces cuz IMO we need some offensive playmakers. I'd take care of the weakest links this year and then the other two positions next year.


Oh I don't think the line will get whiped out in one offseason but over the next two I think would be a smart move.

If Hardy isn't avaliable Mack is the next guy in line for me. Cut Joseph ($6M this year and a total of $27 until 2017) and redo Penn's deal. Bring his number down $1 or so and use the money saved to go after Mack. Draft Jackson in the second and we now go into camp with Penn - Nicks (if he can't go we have Zuttah as a filler) - Mack - Jackson - Dotson. That's a huge upgrade from what we currently have and don't have to spend a dime of fa money to get there.

Next year see how Penn does and we still have the option of either drafting a lt or moving Dotsn over to lt and drafting a rt or let it ride for Penns last season. If Nicks doesn't return to his all world form cut him and gain $6 next offseason and $8 the season after and use that towards locking up David. Draft a G again in the 2nd or 3rd round. Bam our line is cheap, young and they get to grow together.

This gm thing is actually really easy Cool

Oh ya about Mack...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/19/alex-mack-wont-talk-to-browns-until-he-returns-from-rio/

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Mack’s agent Marv Demoff told Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com that no discussions will take place until Mack returns from a humanitarian trip to Rio de Janeiro at the end of the month. There have not been any talks with the Browns since the sides couldn’t come to an agreement in October with planned January conversations put on hold as the Browns searched for a coach.

That search was followed by this month’s upheaval in the front office and Demoff said Mack wants to get a feel for the new regime before making a call. Demoff said all of the changes aren’t a dealbreaker for Mack, although he was close to former offensive line coach George Warhop and liked former head coach Rob Chudzinski.

Mack’s return date leaves little time for the new brass to meet with Mack and get a deal done before the 72-hour window for players to negotiate with other teams opens up on March 8, which may lead to a remake of Blame It On Rio in Cleveland this offseason.


We have his buddy, we have the money, we have the warm weather he was used to in Cal, we have solid vets around him in Penn, Dotson, Nicks.
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deuces22wild wrote:
Lil' Shorty wrote:
deuces22wild wrote:
I've been saying Jackson for some time now. At the top of the second we should be able to nail one of the top G prospects. I would like us to draft a C as well. Restructure Zuttah contract and have him and rookie battle it out. I'm not a fan of Zuttah but he would be great to have as a depth guy seeing as he could spot fill any of the three interior positions.

We have so much flexibility right now on our line. I know some around here are happy or think that our line isn't as bad as it seems but I would like a complete redo besides Dotson.

We could drop Penn and gain his $16m owed over the next two years. Draft Matthews or Robinson or move Dotson over to lt. We could ask him to redo his deal and dump Joseph this year and Nicks next year. I think it's nuts that we are paying Nicks, Zuttah and Joseph around $18m per year. We need to get younger, cheaper and more explosive if we want to take advantage of Doug Martin.

Personally I'd still love to grab Alex Mack for our C and pay him around $7-$8 per. Since Banner is no longer in Cleveland I think there is a much greater chance he stays but we do have his old OL coach. If we go value with all our other signings and see the need to revamp our OL over the next two years, Mack has to be considered by Licht. Our owners would be on board after the past few seasons I would think and as a GM you don't just write a player off cuz be won't be super cheap.

I say cut Joseph and draft his replacement then sign Mack to be the C. Give Nicks one more season to see if he can be healthy or even play again at a reduced salary and start thinking about Penn's future. I don't wanna go all OL like you suggested deuces cuz IMO we need some offensive playmakers. I'd take care of the weakest links this year and then the other two positions next year.


Oh I don't think the line will get whiped out in one offseason but over the next two I think would be a smart move.

If Hardy isn't avaliable Mack is the next guy in line for me. Cut Joseph ($6M this year and a total of $27 until 2017) and redo Penn's deal. Bring his number down $1 or so and use the money saved to go after Mack. Draft Jackson in the second and we now go into camp with Penn - Nicks (if he can't go we have Zuttah as a filler) - Mack - Jackson - Dotson. That's a huge upgrade from what we currently have and don't have to spend a dime of fa money to get there.

Next year see how Penn does and we still have the option of either drafting a lt or moving Dotsn over to lt and drafting a rt or let it ride for Penns last season. If Nicks doesn't return to his all world form cut him and gain $6 next offseason and $8 the season after and use that towards locking up David. Draft a G again in the 2nd or 3rd round. Bam our line is cheap, young and they get to grow together.

This gm thing is actually really easy Cool

Oh ya about Mack...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/19/alex-mack-wont-talk-to-browns-until-he-returns-from-rio/

Quote:
Mack’s agent Marv Demoff told Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com that no discussions will take place until Mack returns from a humanitarian trip to Rio de Janeiro at the end of the month. There have not been any talks with the Browns since the sides couldn’t come to an agreement in October with planned January conversations put on hold as the Browns searched for a coach.

That search was followed by this month’s upheaval in the front office and Demoff said Mack wants to get a feel for the new regime before making a call. Demoff said all of the changes aren’t a dealbreaker for Mack, although he was close to former offensive line coach George Warhop and liked former head coach Rob Chudzinski.

Mack’s return date leaves little time for the new brass to meet with Mack and get a deal done before the 72-hour window for players to negotiate with other teams opens up on March 8, which may lead to a remake of Blame It On Rio in Cleveland this offseason.


We have his buddy, we have the money, we have the warm weather he was used to in Cal, we have solid vets around him in Penn, Dotson, Nicks.

Yes Please to Mack Cool
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