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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bucs restructure Jackson, Nicks contracts

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/43575/bucs-restructure-jackson-nicks-contracts

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The team restructured the contracts of wide receiver Vincent Jackson and guard Carl Nicks recently to free up about $18 million in 2013 cap space.

They now have $98 million committed toward a cap thatís expected to be slightly more than $120 million. But the Bucs can still increase their space. They can carry over remaining 2012 cap space to 2013


These are the type of moves that I love from Dom. He knows we won't be using the space for the rest of the year so take the hit this year and free up even more cap space for next year.


Plus you can add $7.5 million more to that when we cut Eric Wright.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458466-power-ranking-the-nfls-top-50-rookies-of-2012#/articles/1458466-power-ranking-the-nfls-top-50-rookies-of-2012/page/48

Barron, Martin and David all in the top 14.
Barron-14
David-7
Martin-6.

It was nice to see David AHEAD of Keuchly, and Martin 6 spots ahead of Richardson.

It's funny many compared Richardson to AP. But really, AP, is a rare prospect.
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http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/what-caused-bucs-to-finish-season-so-poorly/1268209

This is becoming nauseating the excuses. How about make a critical stop or make a critical completion to win the game? Not blame it on the head coach in trying to prepare you during the week, especially since the new CBA has many restrictions on padded practices and time alloted to practice during the week.

Certainly the coaching staff has faults (Sheridan and Cooper) which will be corrected, but just like the Florio anonymous sources, there still is some mutts on the team and organization that need to be escorted out of the building.
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ravishingone wrote:
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/what-caused-bucs-to-finish-season-so-poorly/1268209

This is becoming nauseating the excuses. How about make a critical stop or make a critical completion to win the game? Not blame it on the head coach in trying to prepare you during the week, especially since the new CBA has many restrictions on padded practices and time alloted to practice during the week.

Certainly the coaching staff has faults (Sheridan and Cooper) which will be corrected, but just like the Florio anonymous sources, there still is some mutts on the team and organization that need to be escorted out of the building.


I think the article is right though. Think back to the beginning of the year and how scrappy the defense was. They still let up yards, but the other team had to work for it. Now it's given up. Think back to how many times they talked about the work and conditioning at the beginning of the year... you don't think that is taking a toll now? Especially if it is still occurring? I do think they are overworked and I think the coaching staff has to work on how they organize practices. It's one of quite a few issues the team has, IMO.
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RoeKG wrote:
ravishingone wrote:
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/what-caused-bucs-to-finish-season-so-poorly/1268209

This is becoming nauseating the excuses. How about make a critical stop or make a critical completion to win the game? Not blame it on the head coach in trying to prepare you during the week, especially since the new CBA has many restrictions on padded practices and time alloted to practice during the week.

Certainly the coaching staff has faults (Sheridan and Cooper) which will be corrected, but just like the Florio anonymous sources, there still is some mutts on the team and organization that need to be escorted out of the building.


I think the article is right though. Think back to the beginning of the year and how scrappy the defense was. They still let up yards, but the other team had to work for it. Now it's given up. Think back to how many times they talked about the work and conditioning at the beginning of the year... you don't think that is taking a toll now? Especially if it is still occurring? I do think they are overworked and I think the coaching staff has to work on how they organize practices. It's one of quite a few issues the team has, IMO.


I think it's a bit of everything. Bad execution on the field.

I remember reading back during Mike Tomlin's first year in Pittsburgh, came in with the same approach as Schiano and they seemed to wear down and lost 1st ruond to the Jags in Playoffs. The next year, he "lightened" up a bit and they won a super bowl.

Schiano is learning and I think is going to be a great head coach. He just has that moxy, discipline, attitude, and guidance. Pure leader.

I think what has hurt him is, not 100% of the players of this team is what fits his style. question of certain players character after "coaches should return to college" quote.

I also think that Schiano, hired late in the ball game last offseason, didn't get his fair shot at his choice of assistants either. He was denied a few times bc teams already had their staff in tact.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
RoeKG wrote:
ravishingone wrote:
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/what-caused-bucs-to-finish-season-so-poorly/1268209

This is becoming nauseating the excuses. How about make a critical stop or make a critical completion to win the game? Not blame it on the head coach in trying to prepare you during the week, especially since the new CBA has many restrictions on padded practices and time alloted to practice during the week.

Certainly the coaching staff has faults (Sheridan and Cooper) which will be corrected, but just like the Florio anonymous sources, there still is some mutts on the team and organization that need to be escorted out of the building.


I think the article is right though. Think back to the beginning of the year and how scrappy the defense was. They still let up yards, but the other team had to work for it. Now it's given up. Think back to how many times they talked about the work and conditioning at the beginning of the year... you don't think that is taking a toll now? Especially if it is still occurring? I do think they are overworked and I think the coaching staff has to work on how they organize practices. It's one of quite a few issues the team has, IMO.


I think it's a bit of everything. Bad execution on the field.

I remember reading back during Mike Tomlin's first year in Pittsburgh, came in with the same approach as Schiano and they seemed to wear down and lost 1st ruond to the Jags in Playoffs. The next year, he "lightened" up a bit and they won a super bowl.

Schiano is learning and I think is going to be a great head coach. He just has that moxy, discipline, attitude, and guidance. Pure leader.

I think what has hurt him is, not 100% of the players of this team is what fits his style. question of certain players character after "coaches should return to college" quote.

I also think that Schiano, hired late in the ball game last offseason, didn't get his fair shot at his choice of assistants either. He was denied a few times bc teams already had their staff in tact.


I agree. I really hope we improve the coaching staff and the secondary, see this DL as a whole and get to see Nicks and Joseph out there. I hope all that helps Freeman have a great year and we become a playoff team. I am sick of saying we are 1 year away from seeing what we've been waiting for.
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RoeKG wrote:
ravishingone wrote:
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/what-caused-bucs-to-finish-season-so-poorly/1268209

This is becoming nauseating the excuses. How about make a critical stop or make a critical completion to win the game? Not blame it on the head coach in trying to prepare you during the week, especially since the new CBA has many restrictions on padded practices and time alloted to practice during the week.

Certainly the coaching staff has faults (Sheridan and Cooper) which will be corrected, but just like the Florio anonymous sources, there still is some mutts on the team and organization that need to be escorted out of the building.


I think the article is right though. Think back to the beginning of the year and how scrappy the defense was. They still let up yards, but the other team had to work for it. Now it's given up. Think back to how many times they talked about the work and conditioning at the beginning of the year... you don't think that is taking a toll now? Especially if it is still occurring? I do think they are overworked and I think the coaching staff has to work on how they organize practices. It's one of quite a few issues the team has, IMO.


I am going to respectfully disagree with your opinion for a couple of reasons. First, during this five game losing streak, the Falcons game came down to the last minute and if Barth's kick isn't short or if Gorrer doesn't give up the easy slant to White on third down near the two minute warning, that game could have been very different. The Eagles game came down to one play, Gorrer needs to hold onto the ball when it hits him in the hands. I don't believe the mental errors of Freeman's ints or Foster leaving Hendricks uncovered on a 80 yard TD can be attributed to fatigue (especially on Foster since it was the first snap of the second half).

In my opinion, this team has very good talent at the starter level. However, as key injuries have mounted (Nicks and Clayborn) and stupid suspensions (Talib and Wright) have shown inadequate depth on the roster. Certainly guys like McCoy and Bennett have taken a lot of snaps and haven't played a full 16 game schedule as starters, so fatigue could play a part. I don't believe the coach's practice schedule through the week has stopped this team from winning the last 5 weeks. At most, I feel it would be a small factor.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of things I noticed changing in Schiano:

Pre-season, Parker fumbled, Schiano was in his ear. Later in the season, Martin, who fumbled for the 1st time, came over and calmed him down.

Leonard Johnson getting beat by Julio Jones for a long TD: You see him throughly explaining him, because he was running toe to toe with him, but Jones is just surperior athlete and Johnson just didn't turn around.

He's learning a lot. I do agree, I think some of the team is mentally exhausted, especially the rookies, because well they're not use to this, regardless of the shape they're in. 17 weeks is new to them. And this happens every team.
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ravishingone wrote:
RoeKG wrote:
ravishingone wrote:
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/what-caused-bucs-to-finish-season-so-poorly/1268209

This is becoming nauseating the excuses. How about make a critical stop or make a critical completion to win the game? Not blame it on the head coach in trying to prepare you during the week, especially since the new CBA has many restrictions on padded practices and time alloted to practice during the week.

Certainly the coaching staff has faults (Sheridan and Cooper) which will be corrected, but just like the Florio anonymous sources, there still is some mutts on the team and organization that need to be escorted out of the building.


I think the article is right though. Think back to the beginning of the year and how scrappy the defense was. They still let up yards, but the other team had to work for it. Now it's given up. Think back to how many times they talked about the work and conditioning at the beginning of the year... you don't think that is taking a toll now? Especially if it is still occurring? I do think they are overworked and I think the coaching staff has to work on how they organize practices. It's one of quite a few issues the team has, IMO.


I am going to respectfully disagree with your opinion for a couple of reasons. First, during this five game losing streak, the Falcons game came down to the last minute and if Barth's kick isn't short or if Gorrer doesn't give up the easy slant to White on third down near the two minute warning, that game could have been very different. The Eagles game came down to one play, Gorrer needs to hold onto the ball when it hits him in the hands. I don't believe the mental errors of Freeman's ints or Foster leaving Hendricks uncovered on a 80 yard TD can be attributed to fatigue (especially on Foster since it was the first snap of the second half).

In my opinion, this team has very good talent at the starter level. However, as key injuries have mounted (Nicks and Clayborn) and stupid suspensions (Talib and Wright) have shown inadequate depth on the roster. Certainly guys like McCoy and Bennett have taken a lot of snaps and haven't played a full 16 game schedule as starters, so fatigue could play a part. I don't believe the coach's practice schedule through the week has stopped this team from winning the last 5 weeks. At most, I feel it would be a small factor.


I never said it was the root cause of the 5 game losing streak, it just seems to be a factor. I also don't think that this just started happening, I think that this has been an issue since shortly after the bye week.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RoeKG wrote:
ravishingone wrote:
RoeKG wrote:
ravishingone wrote:
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/what-caused-bucs-to-finish-season-so-poorly/1268209

This is becoming nauseating the excuses. How about make a critical stop or make a critical completion to win the game? Not blame it on the head coach in trying to prepare you during the week, especially since the new CBA has many restrictions on padded practices and time alloted to practice during the week.

Certainly the coaching staff has faults (Sheridan and Cooper) which will be corrected, but just like the Florio anonymous sources, there still is some mutts on the team and organization that need to be escorted out of the building.


I think the article is right though. Think back to the beginning of the year and how scrappy the defense was. They still let up yards, but the other team had to work for it. Now it's given up. Think back to how many times they talked about the work and conditioning at the beginning of the year... you don't think that is taking a toll now? Especially if it is still occurring? I do think they are overworked and I think the coaching staff has to work on how they organize practices. It's one of quite a few issues the team has, IMO.


I am going to respectfully disagree with your opinion for a couple of reasons. First, during this five game losing streak, the Falcons game came down to the last minute and if Barth's kick isn't short or if Gorrer doesn't give up the easy slant to White on third down near the two minute warning, that game could have been very different. The Eagles game came down to one play, Gorrer needs to hold onto the ball when it hits him in the hands. I don't believe the mental errors of Freeman's ints or Foster leaving Hendricks uncovered on a 80 yard TD can be attributed to fatigue (especially on Foster since it was the first snap of the second half).

In my opinion, this team has very good talent at the starter level. However, as key injuries have mounted (Nicks and Clayborn) and stupid suspensions (Talib and Wright) have shown inadequate depth on the roster. Certainly guys like McCoy and Bennett have taken a lot of snaps and haven't played a full 16 game schedule as starters, so fatigue could play a part. I don't believe the coach's practice schedule through the week has stopped this team from winning the last 5 weeks. At most, I feel it would be a small factor.


I never said it was the root cause of the 5 game losing streak, it just seems to be a factor. I also don't think that this just started happening, I think that this has been an issue since shortly after the bye week.


Okay, but does Rick Stroud write an article like this if the club isn't in a 5 game losing streak? If they're 8-7 the article probably reflects a demanding coach who is getting the most out of a roster that has taken on significant injuries.

To your point, "yes" I do believe Coach Schiano will do some self-evaluation in the offseason and make changes in various sections of his coaching.
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I am going to respectfully disagree with your opinion for a couple of reasons. First, during this five game losing streak, the Falcons game came down to the last minute and if Barth's kick isn't short or if Gorrer doesn't give up the easy slant to White on third down near the two minute warning, that game could have been very different.


That game didn't come down to one play. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you. Our offense missed too many chances. Inside the 5, the goal line stand with poor play calling. Other drives, Freeman not seeing open Wrs or missing open WRs.
The drive where Barth missed the Long FG attempt: Free over threw a wide open Underwood that would have been a 1st down. It wasn't just a few plays.

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The Eagles game came down to one play, Gorrer needs to hold onto the ball when it hits him in the hands.


This is 100% false. Our defense did their job the whole game. Our offense was seriously, flat. If it wasn't for a botched punt on their own 4 yard line, I don't know if the game would have been close. Our defense got a ton of the blame for that last second loss, but Freeman was terrible the entire game throwing for 189 yards and 40 % completion.

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I don't believe the mental errors of Freeman's ints or Foster leaving Hendricks uncovered on a 80 yard TD can be attributed to fatigue (especially on Foster since it was the first snap of the second half).


That 80 yard TD was actually a missed assignment/Communication on Lavonte David. Easy rookie mistake, which happens.

Freeman? I've said enough.

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In my opinion, this team has very good talent at the starter level. However, as key injuries have mounted (Nicks and Clayborn) and stupid suspensions (Talib and Wright) have shown inadequate depth on the roster. Certainly guys like McCoy and Bennett have taken a lot of snaps and haven't played a full 16 game schedule as starters, so fatigue could play a part. I don't believe the coach's practice schedule through the week has stopped this team from winning the last 5 weeks. At most, I feel it would be a small factor.


I agree, we lack depth. McCoy led all dlinemen in snaps and really, Gibson and Miller are run stuffers.

Clayborn, is a question mark in my opinion. His knee injury was pretty serious, and watching him from last year and 1st 3 games this year, he's very strong at the point of attack, but I question his pass rush moves. He can push the pocket, but he doesn't have the speed and moves to get around the OT.

I believe we have good depth along the offensive line. Our secondary, I think Johnson and Gaitor are very good depth. 3 and 4 CBs. Just not starting caliber.

Tailb and Wright, well, just terrible teamates to screw their Teammates and coaches over.
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When asked in his PC of whether or not Josh Freeman was the long term answer at qb schiano said he was a good qb but he hasn't gone back to evaluate that yet. Kinda danced around the question.

Te fact he didn't give a "yes" shows they are not confident in freeman.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
When asked in his PC of whether or not Josh Freeman was the long term answer at qb schiano said he was a good qb but he hasn't gone back to evaluate that yet. Kinda danced around the question.

Te fact he didn't give a "yes" shows they are not confident in freeman.

I know that you don't like Freeman, but you are trying too hard now Laughing

I watched the PC live too. He explained that he has a process and that he needs to evaluate everyone and everything, including himself. He didn't give a "yes" for himself when he was asked the very same question. I guess that means he's not confident in himself...

After explaining his process he said that he believes in competition at every position because it brings the best out of players. He also said that he really likes Josh Freeman and that he sees him winning multiple superbowls in the NFL.
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DaRealdeal wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
When asked in his PC of whether or not Josh Freeman was the long term answer at qb schiano said he was a good qb but he hasn't gone back to evaluate that yet. Kinda danced around the question.

Te fact he didn't give a "yes" shows they are not confident in freeman.

I know that you don't like Freeman, but you are trying too hard now Laughing

I watched the PC live too. He explained that he has a process and that he needs to evaluate everyone and everything, including himself. He didn't give a "yes" for himself when he was asked the very same question. I guess that means he's not confident in himself...

After explaining his process he said that he believes in competition at every position because it brings the best out of players. He also said that he really likes Josh Freeman and that he sees him winning multiple superbowls in the NFL.


Thing is over the 5 game struggle he said along with Dom and sully all said tey had the up most confidence he is their qb long term.

Thought u would like to hear that. Te fact he said competition knows that we are going to be bringing in a qb to compete.
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The only thing that I got from the PC is that that was a bit of a surprise is that Sheridan and Cooper won't be fired today. It's going to take Schiano & Co. a while to determine how they would like to proceed.

Competition is good across the board.

I'm hearing rumors that Lovie Smith might get fired today. I don't know if he would take a demotion, but I'd love him back in Tampa.

EDIT - Seems like the Bears have officially fired Lovie Smith.

http://twitter.com/RapSheet/statuses/285773351094452225

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