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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirk Gently wrote:
Point of order, Austin has NO signing bonus. That's the reason for the penalty, to begin with.


Pretty sure he did, we just chose to take the entirety of it year 1 - its technically an option how many years you want to spread it out over with a cap at 5 years. Atleast that's my understanding from research when they hit us with the penalty
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 2013 Salary Cap: "You Can't Handle The Truth!!!& Reply with quote

The_Slamman wrote:
Matts4313 wrote:
The_Slamman wrote:
So, who is going to be the first to create a scenario to get the Boys under the cap. I've been working on a couple. One is really extreme and one is fairly vanilla.


You said ~23M, right? I will spit ball this, as I am far from a cap guru.



The_Slamman wrote:
1. Tony Romo- 11.5 + $5.728 SB- $17.228M cap hit
Extend. 5 year, ~75Mil. Huge SB, but get his cap number down to ~12M this year - saving 5M

2. Brandon Carr- 14.3M + 2M SB- 16.3M cap hit
Convert salary to SB. Saving ~8M


4. Doug Free- 7M + 4.175 SB- 11.175 cap hit
Cut Savings - ~3M

5. Miles Austin- 6.732M + 1.57 SB- 8.302 cap hit
convert Salary to SB Savings ~4M

6. Jason Witten- $5.5M + 2.5M SB- 8M cap hit
Convert Salary to SB Savings ~3M

7. Jay Ratliff- 5M + 2M SB- 7M cap hit (It would cost cowboys $1m to cut Rat)
Convert salary to SB Savings 3M

8. Dan Connor- 3M + 1.350M= 4.350M cap hit
Cut. Savings 3M

9. Orlando Scandrick- 3.8M cap hit http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4702192/cowboys-face-tough-cap-situation-in-2013
Cut. Savings 3.8M?


16. Marcus Spears- 2M + 700K= 2.7M cap hit
17. Mackenzy Bernadeau- 1.75M + $812,500= 2,562,500 cap hit
Cut. Savings 3M


That creats ~35Mil in cap savings. Being ~23 over, that leaves us with about 12 Mil to play with.


I would keep some of the guys off of the street that have stepped up. They are cheap and scrappy little dudes. I would make 1 play at getting either an OL or OLB. Try to keep Spencer, but I wouldnt lose any sleep if he walks.


Props to Matts for taking the first stab at it. Here's some recent QB signings of similarly situated QBs...

Mike Vick- 5 yrs/ 80M with $7M signing bonus and $3M first year bonus. The base salary never goes under $10M in any year.

Peyton Manning- 5 yrs/ 96M with 0 SB. His salary never goes below $18M.

Mark Sanchez- 5 yrs/ 58M with $8M signing bonus

Drew Brees- 5 yrs/ 100,000,000 with $37M signing bonus; he has a base salary of $3M in year one and approximately $10M in years 2 and 3.

Ryan Fitzpatrick- 7 yrs/ 62M with 10M SB and 11M in other bonuses. I probably like the way his is structured the best. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/ryan-fitzpatrick/

Obviously, Romo will not get Drew Brees type money. But, he will get better than Sancez and Fitzpatrick money. Vick's contract seems about right in terms of overall money (maybe Romo would get more). But, I don't like the way Vick's is structured.


Its funny cuz Fitzpartrick, Vick and Sanchez suck and they get money.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
Dirk Gently wrote:
Point of order, Austin has NO signing bonus. That's the reason for the penalty, to begin with.


Pretty sure he did, we just chose to take the entirety of it year 1 - its technically an option how many years you want to spread it out over with a cap at 5 years. Atleast that's my understanding from research when they hit us with the penalty


Well, either way, it is not prorated. so we don't tack it on to 2013 (or any other year).

Big post in a moment.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caveat: I do not claim to be an expert, legal or otherwise, wrt the NFL Salary Cap.

But I offer an alternative version of the cap numbers (as resident optimist, I feel obliged to come up with the rosy version of the cap). The following is my (quite possibly incorrect) interpretation of the cowboys situation via Rotoworld contract details.

Romo-- His contract was six years, signing bonuses can only be prorated for 5 years, so his original signing bonus does not apply to 2013. However, the cowboys optioned his contract in 2011, converting most of his salary to signing bonus, which comes to 2.73m in 2011, 2012, and 2013. Romo's 2013 cap hit should be 11.5 + 2.7 = 14.2m (3m savings)

Ware-- His signing bonus counts, but the "other bonuses" are applicable to individual years, not amortized. Ware should be 5.5 + 4.9 + 0.5 = 10.9m (2.2m savings)


Free -- really unsure about this one, but it seems like his restructure this year was also an extension, so his added 4.8m is spread out over 5 years through 2016. I do not know if this also lets the cowboys pro-rate his original signing bonus over another year (it was initially a 4 yr contract) but I presume not. Free should be 7 + 3.535 = 10.535m (0.64m savings) This does, however, make him more expensive to cut.

Austin, as I said above, has zero pro-rated money. Austin should be 6.732m (1.57m savings)

Scandrick -- His signing bonus is incorrectly figured. His cap hit should be 2 + 1.18 = 3.18m (0.62m savings)

Sensebaugh -- His signing bonus is also incorrectly figured. His hit should be 3 + 0.8 = 3.8m (-0.05m savings)

Dez -- I come up with 870k signing bonus and 250k "other" bonus. Total Dez is 1.557 + .87 +.25 = 2.68m (0.92m savings)

Livings has no prorated signing bonus. His cap hit is simply 1.7m (0.7m savings)

Church -- His salary for 2013 is 823k. His signing bonus prorates to 500k/yr. Church's numbers are 0.823 + 0.5 = 1.323m (0.7m savings)

Lissemore has no proated bonus. His hit is 630k (0.412m savings)

Frampton is not under contract next year. (0.95m savings)

At this point, we're far enough along that I don't see any differences to involve significant numbers. Total savings on the happy, rosy, everything's fine side of the cap: 11.662m


That version brings us to within 11.5m of the cap. The built in restructure of Carr and re-signing Romo should get us there.

From there:
Free actually costs us to cut outright, but could save us 2.5m if we designate him for June 1. Ratliff saves us 2m if we designate him June 1. We can save 3m by cutting Dan Connor. Spears costs us 0.1m to cut, or saves us 0.95m if he's a June 1 designee. Bernadeau saves us 0.5m if designated for June 1, otherwise costs us almost 1m to cut. Ryan Cook saves us 1.1m. Lawrence Vickers saves us 1.2m. Nate Livings saves us 1.7m. Cutting Austin would save us 6.7m Cutting Weems and Kemp gets us nearly another million. Maybe Mcsurdy, too, depending on if we want to give him another look.

I would designate Free for June 1. Cut Weems, Kemp, Connor, Vickers, and Ryan Cook. With the ~8.7m left I would make Sims and Lemon basic offers (vet min or slightly above) and try to use the rest to re-sign Spencer (pretty sure we could get his 2013 cap number at $5-6m with a decent offer, especially if we guarantee a couple of years in addition to signing bonus). On the other hand, if we like Albright enough, we could let Spencer go and do something else with the cash.

If we feel particularly good about Costa, Kowalski, Arkin, or a draftee, I'd let Livings go, too. Get Millard or Hewitt in the draft for a FB, and make sure to draft linemen on both sides.

Oh, and I figured out who you left out-- Callaway, Bass, and Ronald Leary, all 480k next year. Throw Leary in up there with other interior o-line that might make Livings expendable.

Final possibility I mentioned elsewhere -- let Austin go and bring in Gregg Jennings, who a) has worked with Jimmy Robinson, and B) Garrett is on record as coveting. Could save some cash there.

Or, again, if we like Albright enough, let Spencer go and roll with Austin, Jennings, and Dez at WR. Hoo, boy. What a ruckus that would cause here, especially if we didn't sign any FA o-linemen.

Edited, because, looking a little more closely at things (beyond the name) Jennings might not be all that expensive--29, injured, and seemingly in decline. Be on the lookout for that one. Might be able to get him and Spencer both, depending on how creative we can get.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a scenario I've been working on. I'll look into this additional cap room Dirk mentioned and try to rework it in a way where we keep Miles Austin.

I've heard that the Salary Cap is going to be $121M. Assume that we are going to finish 2012 $4M below the cap. That amount would roll over and give us a new cap of $125M. Apply the Mara penalty and we're back down to $120M. I'll pass on the option to borrow the $3M from the 2014 cap, but I will do several restructures. I also see that we need to carry $5.71M for our 6 draft picks and $2M in dead money. So I need a cap on my veterans cap hits at $112.29M.

  • Re-Sign Tony Romo to a long term deal that makes his 2013 cap hit $12M.
  • Re-Sign Anthony Spencer to a long term deal that makes his 2013 cap hit $8M.
  • Restructure Brandon Carr's contract by guaranteeing $10M of his base salary, making his 2013 cap hit drop by $7.5M down to $8.8M.
  • Restructure Ware's contract by guaranteeing $4.2M of his base salary, making his 2013 cap hit drop by $2.8M down to $9.42M.
  • Release Doug Free. His 2013 cap hit will be $4.175M
  • Trade Miles Austin for a 3rd round pick. His 2013 cap hit will be $1.57M.
  • Restructure Witten's contract by guaranteeing $4M of his base salary, dropping his 2013 cap hit by $3.2M down to $4.8M.
  • Restructure Ratliff's contract by guaranteeing $3.5M of his base salary, dropping his 2013 cap hit by $3M down to $4M.
  • Release Dan Connor. His 2013 cap hit will be $1.35M


New Cap Breakdown by Player
1. Tony Romo $12M
2. DeMarcus Ware $9.42M
3. Brandon Carr $8.8M
4. Anthony Spencer $8M
5. Jason Witten $4.8M
6. Jay Ratliff $4M
7. Orlando Scandrick $3.8M
8. Gerald Sensabaugh $3.75M
9. Morris Claiborne $3.7M
10. Dez Bryant $3.66M
11. Tyron Smith $3.41M
12. Kyle Orton $3.012M
13. Jason Hatcher $2.83M
14. Marcus Spears $2.7M
15. Mackenzy Bernadeau $2.56M
16. Nate Livings $2.4M
17. Barry Church $2.025M
18. Jeremy Parnell $1.36M
19. Lawrence Vickers $1.3M
20. Ryan Cook $1.25M

Dead Money
Free $4.175M
Austin $1.57M
Connor $1.35M

After 20 players and new dead money, we are at $91.872M

21. Bruce Carter $1.27M
22. Sean Lissemore $1.042M
23. Sean Lee $875K
24. Eric Frampton $950K
25. DeMarco Murray $811K
26. Danny McCray $685K
27. David Arkin $680K
28. Tyrone Crawford $624K
29. Kyle Wilber $590K
30. Dan Bailey $556K
31. Matt Johnson $555K
32. Dwayne Harris $555K
33. Kevin Kowalski $555K
34. Phillip Tanner $550K
35. Alex Albright $555K
36. James Hanna $506K
37. Caleb McSurdy $495K
38. Donovan Kemp $480K
39. Cole Beasley $480K
40. Lance Dunbar $480K
41. Darrian Weems $480K
42. Sterling Moore $480K

Thats $14.254M more for a total of $106.126, leaving me a little over $6M to sign a couple of free agents to fill out the roster.

The_Slamman wrote:
Here is the break down of each players 2013 cap hit.

2 things need to be pointed out: 1) I used Spotrac. Spotrac and Todd Archer are slightly different with Spotrac being slightly higher for a couple players, but for the most part the numbers are the same. 2) Todd Archer says that there are 44 players under contract, I can only find evidence of 43 players cap hits for 2013 (Im assuming the missing player is PROBABLY Josh Brent as Archer said 44 BEFORE Brent's DUI Manslaughter).

Keep in mind that only the top 51 salaries count against the salary cap.

2013 Salary Cap Breakdown By Player

1. Tony Romo- 11.5 + $5.728 SB- $17.228M cap hit
2. Brandon Carr- 14.3M + 2M SB- 16.3M cap hit
3. DeMarcus Ware- 5.5M + 5.3M SB + 1.418,750 other bonus- $12,221,750 cap hit
4. Doug Free- 7M + 4.175 SB- 11.175 cap hit
5. Miles Austin- 6.732M + 1.57 SB- 8.302 cap hit
6. Jason Witten- $5.5M + 2.5M SB- 8M cap hit
7. Jay Ratliff- 5M + 2M SB- 7M cap hit (It would cost cowboys $1m to cut Rat)
8. Dan Connor- 3M + 1.350M= 4.350M cap hit
9. Orlando Scandrick- 3.8M cap hit http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4702192/cowboys-face-tough-cap-situation-in-2013
10. Gerald Sensabaugh- 3M + 750K- 3.750M cap hit
11. Morris Claiborne- 1,129,296 + 2,567,182= 3,696,478 cap hit
12. Dez Bryant- 1,557,500 + 390K SB + 1,935,000 other bonus= 3.66M cap hit
13. Tyron Smith- 1,511,009 + 1,897,018= 3,408,027 cap hit
14. Kyle Orton- 1.35M + 1,666,667= 3,016,667 cap hit
15. Jason Hatcher- 2M + 833,333= 2,833,333 cap hit
16. Marcus Spears- 2M + 700K= 2.7M cap hit
17. Mackenzy Bernadeau- 1.75M + $812,500= 2,562,500 cap hit
18. Nate Livings- 1.7M + 700K= 2.4M cap hit
19. Barry Church*** (estimate) 1.4M + 625K= 2.025M cap hit http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/cowboys/2012/10/cowboys-reward-safety-barry-church-with-a-four-year-contract-extension.html
***Im assuming 3.8M in guarantees includes 1.4M base for 2013 + 2.5M SB
20. Jeremy Parnell- 1,023,088 + 333,333= 1,356,421 cap hit
21. Lawrence Vickers- 1.2M + 100K= 1.3M
22. Ryan Cook- 1,100,000 + 150K= 1,250M
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With the top 22 players accounted for, the Cowboys are already over the projected salary cap at $122,335,176

23. Bruce Carter- 766,327 + 507,500 SB= 1,273,827 cap hit
24. Sean Lissemore- 630K + 412,150= 1,042,150 cap hit
25. Sean Lee- 575,000 + 300K= 875K cap hit
26. Eric Frampton- 950K= 950K cap hit
27. DeMarco Murray- $620,313 + 165,500 + 25,000= 810,813 cap hit
28. David Arkin- 555K + 125K= 680K cap hit
29. Tyrone Crawford- 480K + 143,813= 623,813 cap hit
30. Kyle Wilber- 480K + 109,800= 589,800 cap hit
31. Dan Bailey- 555,833= 555,833 cap hit
32. Matt Johnson- 480K + 75,146= 555,146 cap hit
33. Dwayne Harris- 555,000= 555K cap hit
34. Kevin Kowalski- 555K= 555K cap hit
35. Phillip Tanner- 550K= 550K cap hit
36. Alex Albright- 555K= 555K cap hit
37. James Hanna- 480K + 26,213= 506,213 cap hit
38. Caleb McSurdy- 480K + 14,850 SB= 494,850 cap hit
39. Donovan Kemp- 480K= 480K cap hit
40. Cole Beasley- 480K= 480K cap hit
41. Lance Dunbar- 480K= 480K cap hit
42. Darrian Weems- 480K= 480K cap hit
43. Sterling Moore- Amount unknown (vet minimum would be 480K)

EDIT

44. Danny McCray- is a RFA. The vet minimum would be $685K) http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/25/minimum-salaries-shoot-up-under-new-deal/
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Total for 43 players is estimated to be $136,457,621 and with Danny McCray receiving a minimum RFA tender would be $137,142,621


With McCray, Dallas needs to add 9 players (6 players will be added in the draft and I'm projecting the same rookie pool as last year), account for $5M cap penalty, and remaining dead money (such as TNew). The Cowboys rookie pool for 2012 was $5.71M.

Assuming the rookie poll for 2013 will be substantially the same as 2012, this is what the Cowboys 2013 cap situation looks like right now

$137,142,621 (43 players currently under contract + 1 RFA w/ minimum tender [McCray])
+
$5.71M rookie pool (this brings us up to 50 players with 6 draft picks [at least])
+
$5M cap penalty
+
$2M dead money of TNew
+
$390K for the 51st player who I'm projecting to be an UDFA (Cowboys still need 2 other players to fill roster but they do NOT count against salary cap)
=
$150,242,621

Additional Considerations

Dallas can barrow $3M from a future cap and I believe they can roll over current money under the cap to next year which is between $3-4M. At a minimum, approximately $23,000,000 needs to be shaved from the above salaries or $33,000,000 if we want to franchise tag Anthony Spencer again. But, I don't think we should be too quick to assume Dallas would want to borrow $3M from the future for THIS YEAR. Why? Next year's cap also looks really bad. And, we have some huge signings around the corner... Sean Lee next year and Dez Bryant and Demarco Murray the following year.

Now that we know what the actual numbers are for each player, let's use this thread to play with those number to get under the salary. I encourage everybody to be creative.








PS. I DID put a lot of work and time into this. Whoever is the GM for FFMD, feel free to use these numbers as I've done a lot of the homework for you already.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A once hilarious man has been reduced to making unfunny movie references in thread titles... what happened to you Slam, you used to be cool. No wonder I was crowned funniest man in the forum.

Nice work on the numbers though, i bookmarked it for the late winter festivus on here.
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I was looking at Ahmad Brooks's contract. His 2012 hit was $2.75 million. He and Spencer are the same age and play the same position. I'd have to think we can get Spencer in for a $5m first year hit without too much trouble.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: 2013 Salary Cap: "You Can't Handle The Truth!!!& Reply with quote

Gonna try it Slam's way:

1. Tony Romo- 11.5 + $5.728 SB- $17.228M cap hit
Sign for 5 years, 75m, 30m signing bonus. Salary (cap hit) 2013 - 1m (9.7m), 2014 - 8m (14m), 2015 - 10m (16m), 2016 - 12m (18m), 2017 - 14m (20m) Guarantee through 2014 ( total guaranteed 39m )
Savings - 7.5m


2. Brandon Carr- 14.3M + 2M SB- 16.3M cap hit
Convert 12m salary to signing bonus. 2013 cap hit 7.3m
Savings - 9m


4. Doug Free- 7M + 4.175 SB- 11.175 cap hit
designate as post June 1 cut. Signing bonus remaining 9m. 2013 impact, 4.5m
Savings, 6.675m


5. Miles Austin- 6.732M
Austin's signing bonus was not prorated.
Savings, 1.57m


8. Dan Connor- 3M + 1.350M= 4.350M cap hit
Cut.
Savings - 3m


9. Orlando Scandrick- 3.8M cap hit
Actual cap hit, 3.2m
Savings - 0.6m


17. Mackenzy Bernadeau- 1.75M + $812,500= 2,562,500 cap hit
Designate as post June 1. remaining singing bonus, 2.43m. 2013 impact. 1.22m
savings - 1.34m


18. Nate Livings- 1.7M + 700K= 2.4M cap hit
Actual cap hit, 1.7m (guaranteed money is not a signing bonus)
savings - 0.7m


19. Barry Church*** (estimate) 1.4M + 625K= 2.025M cap hit
Actual cap hit 0.823m + 0.5m signing bonus = 1.323
savings - 0.72m


21. Lawrence Vickers- 1.2M + 100K= 1.3M
Cut.
Savings - 1.2m


22. Ryan Cook- 1,100,000 + 150K= 1,250M
Cut.
Savings - 1.1m


26. Eric Frampton- 950K= 950K cap hit
Cut (not actually signed for 2013).
Savings - 0.95m


35. Phillip Tanner- 550K= 550K cap hit
Cut.
Savings - 0.55m


39. Donovan Kemp- 480K= 480K cap hit
Cut.
Savings - 0.48k


42. Darrian Weems- 480K= 480K cap hit
Cut.
Saving - 0.48m


43. Sterling Moore- Amount unknown (vet minimum would be 480K)
actual contract 0.555m. I keep him.
Savings - -0.075m


Total Savings: 35.79m

That leaves us ~12.8m to play with.

I get Lemon and Sims back cheaply (about 1.5 with Sims getting the Vet Min Benefit), re-sign Spencer to a 5 year deal That is essentially like Ahmad Brooks's deal, except drop year 6 off the end and add it as signing bonus. That puts Spencer in at just under 5m hit for 2013.

That leaves us 6.3m. Levitre? Jennings? William Moore? Andre Smith?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirk Gently wrote:
Point of order, Austin has NO signing bonus. That's the reason for the penalty, to begin with.


Dirk, while it is true that Miles initial contract had NO signing bonus, you missed that Miles did restructure his second year contract to reduce his cap hit. Miles base salary for 2011 became the veteran minimum and they prorated 7.85M over the next 5 years of the contract. That is why you'll see that my numbers for Miles include a SB.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/

Cutting or trading Miles would great about 4.7M in dead money if done before June 1st. But, it would still result in a nearly a $4M cap savings.
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Again, I'll look to cap the veterans at $112.29M. I made some of the changes Dirk suggested.

  • Re-Sign Tony Romo to a long term deal that makes his 2013 cap hit $12M.
  • Re-Sign Anthony Spencer to a long term deal that makes his 2013 cap hit $5M.
  • Restructure Brandon Carr's contract by guaranteeing $10M of his base salary, making his 2013 cap hit drop by $7.5M down to $8.8M.
  • Restructure Ware's contract by guaranteeing $4.2M of his base salary, making his 2013 cap hit drop by $2.8M down to $9.42M.
  • Release Doug Free. His 2013 cap hit will be $4.175M
  • Restructure Miles Austin's contract by guaranteeing $5.2M of his base salary, making his 2013 cap hit drop by $3.9M down to $2.832M.
  • Restructure Witten's contract by guaranteeing $4M of his base salary, dropping his 2013 cap hit by $3.2M down to $4.8M.
  • Restructure Ratliff's contract by guaranteeing $3.5M of his base salary, dropping his 2013 cap hit by $3M down to $4M.
  • Release Dan Connor. His 2013 cap hit will be $1.35M


New Cap Breakdown by Player
1. Tony Romo $12M
2. DeMarcus Ware $9.42M
3. Brandon Carr $8.8M
4. Anthony Spencer $5M
5. Jason Witten $4.8M
6. Jay Ratliff $4M
7. Gerald Sensabaugh $3.8M
8. Morris Claiborne $3.7M
9. Dez Bryant $3.66M
10. Tyron Smith $3.41M
11. Orlando Scandrick $3.18M
12. Kyle Orton $3.012M
13. Miles Austin $2.832M
14. Jason Hatcher $2.83M
15. Marcus Spears $2.7M
16. Mackenzy Bernadeau $2.56M
17. Nate Livings $2.4M
18. Barry Church $1.323M
19. Jeremy Parnell $1.36M
20. Lawrence Vickers $1.3M
21. Ryan Cook $1.25M

After 21 players, we are at $83.337M

22. Bruce Carter $1.27M
23. Sean Lissemore $1.042M
24. Sean Lee $875K
25. DeMarco Murray $811K
26. Danny McCray $685K
27. David Arkin $680K
28. Tyrone Crawford $624K
29. Kyle Wilber $590K
30. Dan Bailey $556K
31. Matt Johnson $555K
32. Dwayne Harris $555K
33. Kevin Kowalski $555K
34. Phillip Tanner $550K
35. Alex Albright $555K
36. James Hanna $506K
37. Caleb McSurdy $495K
38. Donovan Kemp $480K
39. Cole Beasley $480K
40. Lance Dunbar $480K
41. Darrian Weems $480K
42. Sterling Moore $480K

New Dead Money
Free $4.175M
Connor $1.35M

Thats $18.829M more for a total of $102.166, leaving me a little over $10M to sign a couple of free agents to fill out the roster.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next offseason to me is about the draft. I think with the team showing the fight it has this season if we can get everyone healthy on defense, and make some changes on both lines we can be a SB contender.

First round im taking best avaialble Oline.
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From what I'm seeing on spotrac, we save 12 mil after we let some of the replacements walk, which will undoubtedly happen. There simply isnt room for some of these players after Church, Lee, and Carter return.

Also included Felix and Mike in the 12 mil from not resigning them. Also according to Spotrac Newman's 4.7 comes off the books finally.

I believe Coleman wont be back so that's another 1.9

That's 14 mil

Then if we re-sign Spencer and create a low cap hit next year, we would save roughly 3-5 million.

17 mil.

Restructure, Carr and Create room in a new Romo deal can add another 15 mil.

32 mil.

Minus Rookie Pool

27 mil.


So that's 6 million to play around with. I look to see all of the teams rookies to be on the squad next year.

Im also curious about what cap we have left this year, because that can rolled into the next.
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Point of order, Austin has NO signing bonus. That's the reason for the penalty, to begin with.


Dirk, while it is true that Miles initial contract had NO signing bonus, you missed that Miles did restructure his second year contract to reduce his cap hit. Miles base salary for 2011 became the veteran minimum and they prorated 7.85M over the next 5 years of the contract. That is why you'll see that my numbers for Miles include a SB.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/

Cutting or trading Miles would great about 4.7M in dead money if done before June 1st. But, it would still result in a nearly a $4M cap savings.


Assuming I have a similar mistake regarding Nate Livings, that's 2.3m off of my projected 6.3m room after my free agency period, leaving 4m at the end of my suggested actions based on Slam's original numbers.
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From what I'm seeing on spotrac, we save 12 mil after we let some of the replacements walk, which will undoubtedly happen. There simply isnt room for some of these players after Church, Lee, and Carter return.

Also included Felix and Mike in the 12 mil from not resigning them. Also according to Spotrac Newman's 4.7 comes off the books finally.

I believe Coleman wont be back so that's another 1.9

That's 14 mil

Then if we re-sign Spencer and create a low cap hit next year, we would save roughly 3-5 million.

17 mil.

Restructure, Carr and Create room in a new Romo deal can add another 15 mil.

32 mil.

Minus Rookie Pool

27 mil.


So that's 6 million to play around with. I look to see all of the teams rookies to be on the squad next year.

Im also curious about what cap we have left this year, because that can rolled into the next.


I'm pretty sure that not one thing in this post made any sense at all.
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Dirk, there are quite a few problems with this...

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1. Tony Romo- 11.5 + $5.728 SB- $17.228M cap hit
Sign for 5 years, 75m, 30m signing bonus. Salary (cap hit) 2013 - 1m (9.7m), 2014 - 8m (14m), 2015 - 10m (16m), 2016 - 12m (18m), 2017 - 14m (20m) Guarantee through 2014 ( total guaranteed 39m )
Savings - 7.5m


Here, Romo has already been paid $5.7M in SB. That doesn't disappear just because Romo re-signs. In your scenario, you are giving Romo a $30M SB. That is prorated to $6M per year. And you are giving him $1M in base salary. That would create total first year cap hit of $12.728M. This would save $5M off the cap.

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2. Brandon Carr- 14.3M + 2M SB- 16.3M cap hit
[b]Convert 12m salary to signing bonus. 2013 cap hit 7.3m
Savings - 9m


This is a realistic scenario. If Dallas wanted, it could save another million off the cap by lowering the base salary. If they are committed to Carr, I'd imagine that they would lower his base salary to about the $1m range.

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4. Doug Free- 7M + 4.175 SB- 11.175 cap hit
designate as post June 1 cut. Signing bonus remaining 9m. 2013 impact, 4.5m
Savings, 6.675m


I too think Free will be a June 1st cut. But the problem is that it rolls $4.175M in dead money onto next years cap which is going to be tight as well. Dallas may be better off cutting Free before June 1st. We'd still save almost $3M off the 2013 cap.

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5. Miles Austin- 6.732M
Austin's signing bonus was not prorated.
Savings, 1.57m



As I discussed before, this is just wrong.

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8. Dan Connor- 3M + 1.350M= 4.350M cap hit
Cut.
Savings - 3m



I also believe this will happen. But remember, for every player you cut, that player must be replaced. So, unless you are including the replacement with a draft pick and the rookie draft pool, you've got to account some money for a replacement. This also goes with Doug Free.

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9. Orlando Scandrick- 3.8M cap hit
Actual cap hit, 3.2m
Savings - 0.6m



I don't know where you are getting this number from, but your number is different than Todd Archer's. no offense to you, I'd probably rely on Archer.

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17. Mackenzy Bernadeau- 1.75M + $812,500= 2,562,500 cap hit
Designate as post June 1. remaining singing bonus, 2.43m. 2013 impact. 1.22m
savings - 1.34m



Your numbers are a little. I don't like the idea of Mac as a June first cut. It would save $1.75M off the 2013 cap but add over $1.6M onto the 2014 cap. The 2014 cap is equally brutal. The more dead money we put on that year makes it harder to maneuver. And, again, remember that Mac must also be replaced. Who do we replace him with? Draft pick? Vet? If we replace him with a vet, are we really saving any money?

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18. Nate Livings- 1.7M + 700K= 2.4M cap hit
Actual cap hit, 1.7m (guaranteed money is not a signing bonus)
savings - 0.7m



This is also wrong. Living was given a $3.5M SB.

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19. Barry Church*** (estimate) 1.4M + 625K= 2.025M cap hit
Actual cap hit 0.823m + 0.5m signing bonus = 1.323
savings - 0.72m



I don't know where you are getting these numbers from.

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21. Lawrence Vickers- 1.2M + 100K= 1.3M
Cut.
Savings - 1.2m


I wouldn't be surprised if this happens, but to continue the theme... Who do you replace him with? Another UDFA? If we replace him with a vet, are we really saving any money?

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22. Ryan Cook- 1,100,000 + 150K= 1,250M
Cut.
Savings - 1.1m


I don't think this one happens. If it does, who do you place him with? A rookie? A vet? The only way we really save money is to replace him with a rookie.

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26. Eric Frampton- 950K= 950K cap hit
Cut (not actually signed for 2013).
Savings - 0.95m


You are really not saving .95M. Frampton must be replaced. Even an UDFA will count 390K against the cap.

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35. Phillip Tanner- 550K= 550K cap hit
Cut.
Savings - 0.55m


Same with Tanner. We are really not saving much money. Tanner must be replaced. Even an UDFA will count $390K against the cap.

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39. Donovan Kemp- 480K= 480K cap hit
Cut.
Savings - 0.48k


See above.

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42. Darrian Weems- 480K= 480K cap hit
Cut.
Saving - 0.48m



See above.


43. Sterling Moore- Amount unknown (vet minimum would be 480K)
actual contract 0.555m. I keep him.
Savings - -0.075m


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Total Savings: 35.79m

That leaves us ~12.8m to play with.

I get Lemon and Sims back cheaply (about 1.5 with Sims getting the Vet Min Benefit), re-sign Spencer to a 5 year deal That is essentially like Ahmad Brooks's deal, except drop year 6 off the end and add it as signing bonus. That puts Spencer in at just under 5m hit for 2013.

That leaves us 6.3m. Levitre? Jennings? William Moore? Andre Smith?


Apart from many of your numbers just being wrong, you are also not factoring the cost of replacing cut players. there must be 53 players on the roster. So, while you cut Vickers and save $1m, for example, if you replace Vickers with a vet, you are not really saving anything. If you replace him with an UDFA, you save about $600K, but how many UDFAs do you want to rely upon? Cause the only way to save the money you want to save is to have a roster where about 1/3 of the roster are rookies or second year players.
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