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dmac505
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | dmac505 wrote: | | Bo_Spice wrote: | | macklemore wrote: | Who knows could be a steal, could be a bust.
Yeah he would, he's a boss, he would deal with it tho.
Offensive line is not below average, we are average. I'd like to see you back up your assertion with proof. I'll wait. |
You can't watch our offensive line and tell me that they're not below average. There's a reason why Carson Palmer is under constant pressure and we have absolutely no running game. |
just to chime in here; our oline has gotten a lot worse because of the ZBS, they were much better the year before. Wis and Veld IMO are much better in the PBS. which is a big factor |
True, Palmer does face a lot of pressure. I've been impressed with his ability to handle it. I've been equally unimpressed with his ability to still make a stupid decision when he has time though. Fwiw, I think our OL has gotten better lately |
yea palmer isnt mobile, but he can definitely move around in the pocket. Hes impressed me all year with it.
I agree with the OL improving as of late. Im sure the coaching staff new the ZBS would take time to understand, just didnt think it would take the entire year unfortunately.
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Bo_Spice
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| macklemore wrote: | If we were 10-6 this season Dennis Allen would be one hell of a coach, fact is were 4-11.
The record thing is.. with a rookie QB and terrible defense I wouldn't be going into the season expecting a super-bowl, I'm not some rabid homer who expects to win every game. I would definitely expect to be improved, but if we have a worse record I couldn't care less because I feel like the team would be better off for the future.
I'm thinking big picture, not just the immediate future, I'm young, I got plenty of time. |
You keep contradicting yourself. You say with a rookie quarterback and an even worse defense you'd expect us to improve but if our record is worse next season you wouldn't care because you're in it for the long haul. 
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91jmay
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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I don't really like much of the off season aside from Mike Glennon. He is going to be a very good QB in my opinion.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| big_palooka wrote: | | Glennon is meh. His stock will rise because of his arm strength and size, but you don't draft a QB with a <60% completion rating (see Locker). |
+1
Stats arent all that matters when scouting a prospect, but if a QB cant complete 60% I want no part of him.
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Bo_Spice
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | Glennon is meh. His stock will rise because of his arm strength and size, but you don't draft a QB with a <60% completion rating (see Locker). |
+1
Stats arent all that matters when scouting a prospect, but if a QB cant complete 60% I want no part of him. |
In before someone starts blaming his receviers and offensive line for his accuracy issue.
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dmac505
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Bo_Spice wrote: | | macklemore wrote: | If we were 10-6 this season Dennis Allen would be one hell of a coach, fact is were 4-11.
The record thing is.. with a rookie QB and terrible defense I wouldn't be going into the season expecting a super-bowl, I'm not some rabid homer who expects to win every game. I would definitely expect to be improved, but if we have a worse record I couldn't care less because I feel like the team would be better off for the future.
I'm thinking big picture, not just the immediate future, I'm young, I got plenty of time. |
You keep contradicting yourself. You say with a rookie quarterback and an even worse defense you'd expect us to improve but if our record is worse next season you wouldn't care because you're in it for the long haul. |
i dont think hes contradicting himself.
Not the biggest fan of his offseason, (i dont want a qb in the first) but i think there is logic behind it.
Really Allen hasnt shown much this season, I say rookie mistakes he thinks he just doesnt have it. Theres no way to know right now.
but the facts are;
at the start of the year we were close in every game at half, and then got blown out in the second. -- To me thats all on coaching. The great, even the good teams win because they make adjustments at half time.
We dont we keep the strategy throughout the game.
The only reason why i want Allen staying is for continuity and for coaches around teh league to see theyll get more than a 1 year shot.
But I havent been very impressed with DA.
He seems to mellow on the sidelines, not enough fire.
Hopefully its just rookie mistakes and what not, but lets not pretend mackelmore is 100% wrong in saying hes been bad.
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | Glennon is meh. His stock will rise because of his arm strength and size, but you don't draft a QB with a <60% completion rating (see Locker). |
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Stats arent all that matters when scouting a prospect, but if a QB cant complete 60% I want no part of him. |
Good thing stats aren't all that matters, because his WR's have dropped an absurd amount of easily catchable balls, scouts will know that NFL WR's make those catches. This guy isn't Jake Locker, his accuracy is fine.
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It's contradictory to say you expect us to do something and then in the same paragraph make it clear that you actually don't expect or care if it happens anyway....
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Bo_Spice wrote: | | macklemore wrote: | If we were 10-6 this season Dennis Allen would be one hell of a coach, fact is were 4-11.
The record thing is.. with a rookie QB and terrible defense I wouldn't be going into the season expecting a super-bowl, I'm not some rabid homer who expects to win every game. I would definitely expect to be improved, but if we have a worse record I couldn't care less because I feel like the team would be better off for the future.
I'm thinking big picture, not just the immediate future, I'm young, I got plenty of time. |
You keep contradicting yourself. You say with a rookie quarterback and an even worse defense you'd expect us to improve but if our record is worse next season you wouldn't care because you're in it for the long haul. |
Bo, bo, bo, bo, bo....
just get outta here.. each post makes you look more and more senile.
I'm not contradicting myself in the slightest.. I never said the reason I wanted Allen fired was because of the teams record. try again, troll.
oh, and where did I say this defense would be even worse? I would expect them to be about the same.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Bo_Spice wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | Glennon is meh. His stock will rise because of his arm strength and size, but you don't draft a QB with a <60% completion rating (see Locker). |
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Stats arent all that matters when scouting a prospect, but if a QB cant complete 60% I want no part of him. |
In before someone starts blaming his receviers and offensive line for his accuracy issue. |
Guess none of you guys would have drafted Jay Cutler, Donovan McNabb, Brett Favre, Matt Ryan (below 60% his draft year), Josh Freeman, Matt Hasselbeck. On the rather arbitrary basis that they didn't throw above 60%. JaMarcus, Tim Couch, Vince Young, David Carr, would have been considered ahead of those guys? Wow.
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| Bo_Spice wrote: | | It's contradictory to say you expect us to do something and then in the same paragraph make it clear that you actually don't expect or care if it happens anyway.... |
You realize we could be a better team and have a worse record right? SHOCKER! I know, buddy.
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When you say "I'd expect us to improve, but if we didn't I wouldn't care because I'm in it for the long haul." Its contradictory because you're basically saying you expect us to improve and that you don't expect us to improve in the same paragraph. 
But keep resorting to personal attacks.
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| 91jmay wrote: | | Bo_Spice wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | Glennon is meh. His stock will rise because of his arm strength and size, but you don't draft a QB with a <60% completion rating (see Locker). |
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Stats arent all that matters when scouting a prospect, but if a QB cant complete 60% I want no part of him. |
In before someone starts blaming his receviers and offensive line for his accuracy issue. |
Guess none of you guys would have drafted Jay Cutler, Donovan McNabb, Brett Favre, Matt Ryan (below 60% his draft year), Josh Freeman, Matt Hasselbeck. On the rather arbitrary basis that they didn't throw above 60%. JaMarcus, Tim Couch, Vince Young, David Carr, would have been considered ahead of those guys? Wow. |
No they wouldn't, they would only draft QB's with a lot of hype from big schools.
And about your FSU comment, that was worse game out of the ones I linked and he started the game playing like crap. Glennon rallied though, and led a comeback.
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| Bo_Spice wrote: | | It's contradictory to say you expect us to do something and then in the same paragraph make it clear that you actually don't expect or care if it happens anyway.... |
haha yes and no... not really sure why im getting involved cause i see both sides but i think what he was getting at is;
he wants us to make a lot of changes with player personal (I agree i think we need to overhaul the roster)
Palmer isnt going to lead us to the superbowl so lets try and find a qb (I disagree, Palmer may not win us a superbowl but i dont see a QB with better potential... but there are surprises every year.. glennon could become a star i / you / macklemore dont know.)
By going back to the PBS our offence will be better even if Glennon is worse than Palmer (I agree, our offence was better with Campbell then it is now with palmer even though campbell is a worse qb, because we were running a better system for our players.)
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| macklemore wrote: | | Bo_Spice wrote: | | It's contradictory to say you expect us to do something and then in the same paragraph make it clear that you actually don't expect or care if it happens anyway.... |
You realize we could be a better team and have a worse record right? SHOCKER! I know, buddy. |
How much better would we be if we couldn't win more than 3 games though?
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