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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what did they have to say about the honey badger? I'm curious to see where he goes, I'd like to have him on the team, but not terribly early
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
what did they have to say about the honey badger? I'm curious to see where he goes, I'd like to have him on the team, but not terribly early


He had a nice run in college and he has some undeniable natural instincts for the game...

But honestly, i want nothing to do with him. Every interview i hear with the guy, i just think less and less of him.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I skipped over it. They were probably talking about how he admitted to failing over 10 drug tests while at LSU.

I want no part of him.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iPwn wrote:
I skipped over it. They were probably talking about how he admitted to failing over 10 drug tests while at LSU.

I want no part of him.


10 drug tests Shocked

Damn such a shame too because he was a baller at LSU
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
iPwn wrote:
I skipped over it. They were probably talking about how he admitted to failing over 10 drug tests while at LSU.

I want no part of him.


10 drug tests Shocked

Damn such a shame too because he was a baller at LSU


I can't agree to what most are saying about not giving him a chance. He could be a difference maker and a real hard nosed player. If picked up in the 4th or 5th round he would be possibly a steal in my eyes.

People don't understand that is how he grew up and that is the lifestyle he was accustomed to. That is not saying that he cannot change and make better of himself. Don't doubt him, but if he does go down that same road, then don't sit there and act like it is nothing, but also don't shun him.

Not every player is lucky enough to be raised in a protected, prosperous, and safe environment. He is an example of being raised in... the slums.

I hope whomever picks this young man gets the best of him and he will rue the day anyone ever doubted him.

This is just what I absorbed from him with the interview that he had with Primetime (I know about where he came from because I was born in the same place).

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000145259/Deion-Sanders-Tyrann-Mathieu-will-be-a-baller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3cjiMePhBA
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of what environment he grew up in, failing 10 drug tests shows that he has a problem that he refused to work on even after he got himself away from his environment. He knew just how bad the drug tests were reflecting on him, knew it was cause for concern going forward with his football career and still failed over 10 times. The kid knew he was about to be kicked off the football team, knew that would greatly effect his chances at going pro, but still continued to use. Why should our GM, who has valued high character guys, trust that he's not going to do the exact same thing going forward?
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Regardless of what environment he grew up in, failing 10 drug tests shows that he has a problem that he refused to work on even after he got himself away from his environment. He knew just how bad the drug tests were reflecting on him, knew it was cause for concern going forward with his football career and still failed over 10 times. The kid knew he was about to be kicked off the football team, knew that would greatly effect his chances at going pro, but still continued to use. Why should our GM, who has valued high character guys, trust that he's not going to do the exact same thing going forward?


He would not be trusting him per say. He would be taking a risk on him like any other player that is to be drafted. None of us can predict the future (and if you can, then lets get rich) and any players career can take a swift spike whether that be up or down, because of injury or off the field issues.

If it is a mid/later round (say 3-5 ) and he is the best guy on your board, then why not take a risk? He says that he has given up on the drugs (lets remember a very good RB used to smoke marijuana, but that is beyond the point) and wants to continue life towards football, then he could possibly have a impact on your team or he could at the same time revert back to the same old habits.
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Yes, every player has risks. But certain players are far more risky than others. Players with a history of soft tissue injuries are more likely to have soft tissue injuries than the players who don't. Those with drug usage problems are more likely to continue than those who don't.

He doesn't pass basic risk assessment. Sure, he could clean himself up and play well, but the odds of that happening are far lower than that of Joe Football Player who never failed a drug test.

Let's also remember we have a player on this team that had one legal incident, not the more than ten that Mathieu had, claimed that it was a mistake that he would never do again, got drafted by us and proceeded to get caught doing the same thing again, before he even signed his contract. Players will lie to get drafted. Mathieu is no different. His potential career is on the line, of course he's going to tell people that he quit. If he doesn't say that, he doesn't even get drafted.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iPwn wrote:
Regardless of what environment he grew up in, failing 10 drug tests shows that he has a problem that he refused to work on even after he got himself away from his environment. He knew just how bad the drug tests were reflecting on him, knew it was cause for concern going forward with his football career and still failed over 10 times. The kid knew he was about to be kicked off the football team, knew that would greatly effect his chances at going pro, but still continued to use. Why should our GM, who has valued high character guys, trust that he's not going to do the exact same thing going forward?
FWIW in my exp. working with addicts and overcoming my own problems very few people are able too make a change until something very bad happens. You seem amazed that he could fail 10 drug tests but if nothing was done after failing the 3rd one or the 8th one why would he be scared of the next one? Maybe that mentality is hard too understand.

Let me just re-iterate that no one I know has ever gotten better before going through a bottom. Hopefully what Tyrann went through at LSU taught him a lesson.
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http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Jags-Wired-Jedd-Fisch/83b5c614-1a6a-4b6b-a6d5-f4ee8dcc5735
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Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Jags-Wired-Jedd-Fisch/83b5c614-1a6a-4b6b-a6d5-f4ee8dcc5735


Today i learned: Jedd Fisch has something inherently nagging and annoying about his voice/delivery/demeanour.

Here's hoping he nags this offense until it's good. Laughing

Interesting watch.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matheiu passed his drug test, funny how that actually is newsworthy Laughing
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JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Matheiu passed his drug test, funny how that actually is newsworthy Laughing



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sadjag wrote:
iPwn wrote:
Regardless of what environment he grew up in, failing 10 drug tests shows that he has a problem that he refused to work on even after he got himself away from his environment. He knew just how bad the drug tests were reflecting on him, knew it was cause for concern going forward with his football career and still failed over 10 times. The kid knew he was about to be kicked off the football team, knew that would greatly effect his chances at going pro, but still continued to use. Why should our GM, who has valued high character guys, trust that he's not going to do the exact same thing going forward?
FWIW in my exp. working with addicts and overcoming my own problems very few people are able too make a change until something very bad happens. You seem amazed that he could fail 10 drug tests but if nothing was done after failing the 3rd one or the 8th one why would he be scared of the next one? Maybe that mentality is hard too understand.

Let me just re-iterate that no one I know has ever gotten better before going through a bottom. Hopefully what Tyrann went through at LSU taught him a lesson.
I completely missed this before.

Certainly. I'm all but a certified drug and alcohol counselor (I have all the classes and everything, just never bothered to take the certification test or whatever it was). So I understand the plight, and certainly understand that it takes hitting rock bottom to start the change for a lot of people, and that being kicked out of LSU may have been that rock bottom for him, but being that none of us have actually reviewed his case, and that certainly Dave isn't a psychologist, I think you still have to assume risk, especially when people still fall off the wagon after coming around to the idea of positive change. It's a delicate situation, and I hope the best for him, I just couldn't view that as a risk I would want to take, as a football mind.
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And I guess Honey Badger is throwing a draft party (or having one thrown for him). Bad move for his image. He should sit home with mom and dad, give off the appearance of professionalism and being changed.

EDIT: At a club, apparently.
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