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| HyponGrey wrote: | | Jleisher wrote: | | I wouldn't complain! I look for the Packers to release either Bishop or Smith at ILB, Jones has played himself into a job. |
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That's some sort of crazy talk. Bishop is far better than Jones. Better on the blitz, better at the LOS, etc. Jones does a nice a job, but at most he's someone you resign to play 3rd lb and teams. I take Des 10/10 times.
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Everyone forget how awesome Bishop is? Him and Matthews were the only pass rush we had last year..
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wgbeethree
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| I Am Rodgers wrote: | | HyponGrey wrote: | | Jleisher wrote: | | I wouldn't complain! I look for the Packers to release either Bishop or Smith at ILB, Jones has played himself into a job. |
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That's some sort of crazy talk. Bishop is far better than Jones. Better on the blitz, better at the LOS, etc. Jones does a nice a job, but at most he's someone you resign to play 3rd lb and teams. I take Des 10/10 times. |
I don't think it's that crazy at all.
Bishop in 2011: 90 Solo Tk, 115 Tot Tk, 5 sacks, 5TFL, 1 Pass defend, 0 Int, 2 FF
Smith/Jones in 2012: 82 Solo Tk, 111 Tot Tk, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 8 Pass defend, 0 Int, 1FF
Nearly identical, if not better, production out of Jones/Smith.
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justo
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Let's not forget Jones was the 4th ILB to get the nod this year while Bishop is the #1. If Bishop is let go it's more durability concerns and not level of play IMO.
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I Am Rodgers
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| wgbeethree wrote: | | I Am Rodgers wrote: | | HyponGrey wrote: | | Jleisher wrote: | | I wouldn't complain! I look for the Packers to release either Bishop or Smith at ILB, Jones has played himself into a job. |
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That's some sort of crazy talk. Bishop is far better than Jones. Better on the blitz, better at the LOS, etc. Jones does a nice a job, but at most he's someone you resign to play 3rd lb and teams. I take Des 10/10 times. |
I don't think it's that crazy at all.
Bishop in 2011: 90 Solo Tk, 115 Tot Tk, 5 sacks, 5TFL, 1 Pass defend, 0 Int, 2 FF
Smith/Jones in 2012: 82 Solo Tk, 111 Tot Tk, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 8 Pass defend, 0 Int, 1FF
Nearly identical, if not better, production out of Jones/Smith. |
Bishop 2011: 43 Stops
Jones/Smith 2012: 43 Stops
Bishop 2011: 853 Snaps
Jones/Smith 2012: 1001 Snaps
The only number that Jones/Smith best Bishop on is Passes Defensed. The rest, by a per snap basis, give Bishop a lean. Having Jones in coverage is something I've been asking about for at least a year now. IMO he should be in on obvious pass plays in a coverage role similar to Chillar for us. If we were to resign Jones (I doubt it, more pressing matters) I think he gets something similar to, but not quite what Chillar got. Maybe 4 years 15-18mil with 4-5 guaranteed.
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| I Am Rodgers wrote: | | wgbeethree wrote: | | I Am Rodgers wrote: | | HyponGrey wrote: | | Jleisher wrote: | | I wouldn't complain! I look for the Packers to release either Bishop or Smith at ILB, Jones has played himself into a job. |
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That's some sort of crazy talk. Bishop is far better than Jones. Better on the blitz, better at the LOS, etc. Jones does a nice a job, but at most he's someone you resign to play 3rd lb and teams. I take Des 10/10 times. |
I don't think it's that crazy at all.
Bishop in 2011: 90 Solo Tk, 115 Tot Tk, 5 sacks, 5TFL, 1 Pass defend, 0 Int, 2 FF
Smith/Jones in 2012: 82 Solo Tk, 111 Tot Tk, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 8 Pass defend, 0 Int, 1FF
Nearly identical, if not better, production out of Jones/Smith. |
Bishop 2011: 43 Stops
Jones/Smith 2012: 43 Stops
Bishop 2011: 853 Snaps
Jones/Smith 2012: 1001 Snaps
The only number that Jones/Smith best Bishop on is Passes Defensed. The rest, by a per snap basis, give Bishop a lean. Having Jones in coverage is something I've been asking about for at least a year now. IMO he should be in on obvious pass plays in a coverage role similar to Chillar for us. If we were to resign Jones (I doubt it, more pressing matters) I think he gets something similar to, but not quite what Chillar got. Maybe 4 years 15-18mil with 4-5 guaranteed. |
I would want no part of Jones at that price.
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| Jones has played at a level that likely raises his price beyond what the Pack are going to foot to bring him back. Give me a healthy Bishop in this base defense over Jones every day that ends in Y. Manning will be the sub package ILB next year. |
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duxrule
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1st of all....lets go back to the draft portion of this: NO WAY is TT giving up that many picks to take a lineman....I don't care WHO it is. Not happening and GLAD it's not happening. WOW. I'll take Barrett later and keep the picks, thank you.
2nd....let DBish go for Jones??? People on here have very short-term memories I guess. Crazy talk.
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[quote="justo"]This is the first mock I have seen us with two 4th rounds picks. Is this a real life thing? I have seen 4th and 6th because of the Saturday pick up or just a 4th.
Um....must have forgotten this one I'm guessing? http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=504919
The 4th rd comp seems to be a given. It's what we get for Wells after signing Saturday. Like have said on this site before, there's a guy out there who is usually dead on with figuring comp picks and has us with a 4th for Flynn and a 7th for Wells.
I'm not crazy for giving up picks to move up for a LT. When I read the trade thought it was going to be for a Defensive stud. |
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justo
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[quote="Terranimal"] | justo wrote: | This is the first mock I have seen us with two 4th rounds picks. Is this a real life thing? I have seen 4th and 6th because of the Saturday pick up or just a 4th.
Um....must have forgotten this one I'm guessing? http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=504919
The 4th rd comp seems to be a given. It's what we get for Wells after signing Saturday. Like have said on this site before, there's a guy out there who is usually dead on with figuring comp picks and has us with a 4th for Flynn and a 7th for Wells.
I'm not crazy for giving up picks to move up for a LT. When I read the trade thought it was going to be for a Defensive stud. |
I meant two 4th round compensatory picks, my bad.
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Terranimal
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[quote="justo"] | Terranimal wrote: | | justo wrote: | This is the first mock I have seen us with two 4th rounds picks. Is this a real life thing? I have seen 4th and 6th because of the Saturday pick up or just a 4th.
Um....must have forgotten this one I'm guessing? http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=504919
The 4th rd comp seems to be a given. It's what we get for Wells after signing Saturday. Like have said on this site before, there's a guy out there who is usually dead on with figuring comp picks and has us with a 4th for Flynn and a 7th for Wells.
I'm not crazy for giving up picks to move up for a LT. When I read the trade thought it was going to be for a Defensive stud. |
I meant two 4th round compensatory picks, my bad. |
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| I Am Rodgers wrote: | | wgbeethree wrote: | | I Am Rodgers wrote: | | HyponGrey wrote: | | Jleisher wrote: | | I wouldn't complain! I look for the Packers to release either Bishop or Smith at ILB, Jones has played himself into a job. |
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That's some sort of crazy talk. Bishop is far better than Jones. Better on the blitz, better at the LOS, etc. Jones does a nice a job, but at most he's someone you resign to play 3rd lb and teams. I take Des 10/10 times. |
I don't think it's that crazy at all.
Bishop in 2011: 90 Solo Tk, 115 Tot Tk, 5 sacks, 5TFL, 1 Pass defend, 0 Int, 2 FF
Smith/Jones in 2012: 82 Solo Tk, 111 Tot Tk, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 8 Pass defend, 0 Int, 1FF
Nearly identical, if not better, production out of Jones/Smith. |
Bishop 2011: 43 Stops
Jones/Smith 2012: 43 Stops
Bishop 2011: 853 Snaps
Jones/Smith 2012: 1001 Snaps
The only number that Jones/Smith best Bishop on is Passes Defensed. The rest, by a per snap basis, give Bishop a lean. Having Jones in coverage is something I've been asking about for at least a year now. IMO he should be in on obvious pass plays in a coverage role similar to Chillar for us. If we were to resign Jones (I doubt it, more pressing matters) I think he gets something similar to, but not quite what Chillar got. Maybe 4 years 15-18mil with 4-5 guaranteed. |
I will be corrected if I'm wrong, but isn't the WILB *supposed* to be the cover guy and the SILB the run defender? Bishop has better cover skills than Jones and definitely better than Smith IMO. Personally I consider Smith a SILB behind Hawk.
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| HyponGrey wrote: | | I Am Rodgers wrote: | | wgbeethree wrote: | | I Am Rodgers wrote: | | HyponGrey wrote: | | Jleisher wrote: | | I wouldn't complain! I look for the Packers to release either Bishop or Smith at ILB, Jones has played himself into a job. |
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That's some sort of crazy talk. Bishop is far better than Jones. Better on the blitz, better at the LOS, etc. Jones does a nice a job, but at most he's someone you resign to play 3rd lb and teams. I take Des 10/10 times. |
I don't think it's that crazy at all.
Bishop in 2011: 90 Solo Tk, 115 Tot Tk, 5 sacks, 5TFL, 1 Pass defend, 0 Int, 2 FF
Smith/Jones in 2012: 82 Solo Tk, 111 Tot Tk, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 8 Pass defend, 0 Int, 1FF
Nearly identical, if not better, production out of Jones/Smith. |
Bishop 2011: 43 Stops
Jones/Smith 2012: 43 Stops
Bishop 2011: 853 Snaps
Jones/Smith 2012: 1001 Snaps
The only number that Jones/Smith best Bishop on is Passes Defensed. The rest, by a per snap basis, give Bishop a lean. Having Jones in coverage is something I've been asking about for at least a year now. IMO he should be in on obvious pass plays in a coverage role similar to Chillar for us. If we were to resign Jones (I doubt it, more pressing matters) I think he gets something similar to, but not quite what Chillar got. Maybe 4 years 15-18mil with 4-5 guaranteed. |
I will be corrected if I'm wrong, but isn't the WILB *supposed* to be the cover guy and the SILB the run defender? Bishop has better cover skills than Jones and definitely better than Smith IMO. Personally I consider Smith a SILB behind Hawk. |
Really? I think Jones is far better in coverage than Bishop. it's about his only downfall as a backer.
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| Dubyajay wrote: | | HyponGrey wrote: | | I Am Rodgers wrote: | | wgbeethree wrote: | | I Am Rodgers wrote: | | HyponGrey wrote: | | Jleisher wrote: | | I wouldn't complain! I look for the Packers to release either Bishop or Smith at ILB, Jones has played himself into a job. |
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That's some sort of crazy talk. Bishop is far better than Jones. Better on the blitz, better at the LOS, etc. Jones does a nice a job, but at most he's someone you resign to play 3rd lb and teams. I take Des 10/10 times. |
I don't think it's that crazy at all.
Bishop in 2011: 90 Solo Tk, 115 Tot Tk, 5 sacks, 5TFL, 1 Pass defend, 0 Int, 2 FF
Smith/Jones in 2012: 82 Solo Tk, 111 Tot Tk, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 8 Pass defend, 0 Int, 1FF
Nearly identical, if not better, production out of Jones/Smith. |
Bishop 2011: 43 Stops
Jones/Smith 2012: 43 Stops
Bishop 2011: 853 Snaps
Jones/Smith 2012: 1001 Snaps
The only number that Jones/Smith best Bishop on is Passes Defensed. The rest, by a per snap basis, give Bishop a lean. Having Jones in coverage is something I've been asking about for at least a year now. IMO he should be in on obvious pass plays in a coverage role similar to Chillar for us. If we were to resign Jones (I doubt it, more pressing matters) I think he gets something similar to, but not quite what Chillar got. Maybe 4 years 15-18mil with 4-5 guaranteed. |
I will be corrected if I'm wrong, but isn't the WILB *supposed* to be the cover guy and the SILB the run defender? Bishop has better cover skills than Jones and definitely better than Smith IMO. Personally I consider Smith a SILB behind Hawk. |
Really? I think Jones is far better in coverage than Bishop. it's about his only downfall as a backer. |
Bishop is more likely to have the splash play in coverage (big hit/INT) but also struggles to actually cover. Jones is a better coverage guy but won't make the splash play.
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