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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:34 am    Post subject: Fun Fact - Karlos Dansby (Updated) Reply with quote

Through 12 games this season, Karlos Dansby has 5 sacks, 2 interceptions, and 15 passes defended. In three seasons with the Dolphins, Dansby had 6 sacks, 1 interception, and 18 passes defended. We might be the worst organization in the entire NFL at getting the most out of our talent.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Fun Fact Reply with quote

xXxHOUSEDxXx wrote:
Through 12 games this season, Karlos Dansby has 5 sacks, 2 interceptions, and 15 passes defended. In three seasons with the Dolphins, Dansby had 6 sacks, 1 interception, and 18 passes defended. We might be the worst organization in the entire NFL at getting the most out of our talent.


I'm not a Dolphin fan but I have to ask, I've been glancing at this for over an hour now...is there anyone else that is having trouble deciphering this?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hes saying, besides tackles, dansby has accomplish as much in 12 games in zona as he did 3 years as a dolphin. Implying we dont bring out the best in our players and they produce better results on other teams.


tho dansby was injured alot in his 3 years here, and we changed defenses so that might skew the numbers a bit.
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Manic wrote:
hes saying, besides tackles, dansby has accomplish as much in 12 games in zona as he did 3 years as a dolphin. Implying we dont bring out the best in our players and they produce better results on other teams.


tho dansby was injured alot in his 3 years here, and we changed defenses so that might skew the numbers a bit.


OH okay, that makes more sense, lol, I read it like 3 times and I was like "what?"

I think you're right though, he has struggled at times with his health and changing defenses is going to change the way you play within it, at least initially. I don't think that makes Dansby a bad player by any stretch of the imagination.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dansby is the tip of the iceberg. It seems that virtually every starter that left the team last year via free agency or that was let loose, has gone on to perform considerably better with the new team where they landed. I am not 100% convinced that Philbin should be sent packing, but maximizing the talent on the field is the job of the coaches.
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In one season with Arizona, Karlos Dansby had 6.5 sacks, 4 interceptions, 2 touchdowns, 19 passes defended, and while he won't win it, he is in the conversation for DPOY. In three seasons with Miami, Dansby had 6 sacks, 1 interception, 0 touchdowns, 18 passes defended, and was talked about as a solid player, but one that never even came close to living up to his contract. The Dolphins have a knack for getting the least possible return on their investments. Why is it that time and time again they sign big-time free agents and then get such poor production from them? I'm not going to pretend to have watched any Cardinals games this year, but what are they doing differently with Dansby where he is in a position to make so many game-changing plays? And more importantly, why didn't we utilize him the way the Cardinals did?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can add Wes Welker, Reggie Bush, Wade Smith, Sean Smith to that list as well. I am sure there are more I am forgetting.
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ovaw8lover wrote:
You can add Wes Welker, Reggie Bush, Wade Smith, Sean Smith to that list as well. I am sure there are more I am forgetting.


Plus, Jake Long, Brandon Marshall, & Vontae Davis to name a few. The league is littered with our All-Pro Trash.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Fun Fact - Karlos Dansby (Updated) Reply with quote

xXxHOUSEDxXx wrote:
Through 12 games this season, Karlos Dansby has 5 sacks, 2 interceptions, and 15 passes defended. In three seasons with the Dolphins, Dansby had 6 sacks, 1 interception, and 18 passes defended. We might be the worst organization in the entire NFL at getting the most out of our talent.


With out former Secondary Coach as his DC. HA insult to injury.

This team needs to go in a different direction. A lot of it has to do with the coaching and the management
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ovaw8lover wrote:
You can add Wes Welker, Reggie Bush, Wade Smith, Sean Smith to that list as well. I am sure there are more I am forgetting.


Sean Smith is playing about the same as he did here. He is just benefiting from a quality front 7. Notice he lost his job to Cooper.
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Sure makes Ireland look a lot better when you look at how the talent steps up outside of Miami.. Not that we should keep him at this point, but it sure is a good defense for him when he's talking to Ross.
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I wasn't happy when we released Dansby for Ellerbe / Wheeler. Felt at the time we were letting our best Linebacker go, even if he wasn't a complete fit for our 4-3 scheme. Sigh.
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It's odd to me that the participants that are puzzled at the issues brought up in this thread are the same ones calling for heads to roll in other threads.

We had Randy Mueller. Former Executive of the Year. We had The mighty Bill Parcells, who some of you would let goose their wives.

The only individuals who are a fit for the job description as set by you guys are palm readers.

This issue is a result of instability. That's why we always have tweeners and misfits. They are not playing in the system for which they where drafted. And we have ZERO tolerance for development time. We want to win and rebuild simultaneously. So before a player grows into his own, its out with the coach and his system and in with a new one that everyone has to learn. And they better learn it in a hurry because a rebuild is right around the corner if they don't.
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fishfan4life wrote:
That argument of yours is so played out again and again. Here is a idea how about you just draft good football players. system this system that I am pretty sure Nvarrow Bowman Patrick willis , luke kuechly are great linebackers in any system. Good RB are good RB in any system same with WR. Earl Thomas is the best safety no matter what team he plays on. Chip Kelly took over a team and changed systems a unconventional one at that and went to the playoffs. If you look at the 49ers Crabtree Vernon davis etc they are not defined by systems they have good football players.


Actually this has become a league of specialists. A couple of pounds or inches one way or another can completely change a players career or a teams view of said player. It's on everyones draft board. It has affected the NCAA game. It's even on this year's version of Madden. The league is a league of about 10 different system based philosophies and minor variations in it. Yes you will have the football player who you can project in most systems but NONE of the players you used in your example has played in any other system but the one they are in. I would have used someone like Ray Lewis as an example to support your point. But that's neither here nor there, being that your point is inaccurate.
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fishfan4life wrote:
That argument of yours is so played out again and again. Here is a idea how about you just draft good football players. system this system that I am pretty sure Nvarrow Bowman Patrick willis , luke kuechly are great linebackers in any system. Good RB are good RB in any system same with WR. Earl Thomas is the best safety no matter what team he plays on. Chip Kelly took over a team and changed systems a unconventional one at that and went to the playoffs. If you look at the 49ers Crabtree Vernon davis etc they are not defined by systems they have good football players.


Actually this has become a league of specialists. A couple of pounds or inches one way or another can completely change a players career or a teams view of said player. It's on everyones draft board. It has affected the NCAA game. It's even on this year's version of Madden. The league is a league of about 10 different system based philosophies and minor variations in it. Yes you will have the football player who you can project in most systems but NONE of the players you used in your example has played in any other system but the one they are in. I would have used someone like Ray Lewis as an example to support your point. But that's neither here nor there, being that your point is inaccurate.
While I agree with you that yes there are specialist in this league I disagree with you that this constant change of scheme is what is holding us back its not even close we don't draft enough impact players. My point is very accurate at the end of the day good football players are good football players. Of course there are exceptions and of course certain defensive players are better in one scheme as opposed to another. I feel like you keep using this constant change as a crutch for us not having impact players. Just for the record Vernon Davis has played in 3 different schemes but it doesn't matter really I am not going to argue with you about guys like Earl Thomas who we passed on by the way they are impact players no matter where they play. Guys like Desean Jackson shady McCoy are impact players regardless of scheme reggie wayne regardless of scheme anquan boldin I mean I could go on and on if that makes you feel better to mention guys who have done it with different schemes. How many coaches and offensive coordinators has Steve Smith been in.
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