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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Didn't want to start a new thread so ill put this here.

Here are there 12 QB's in the playoffs this year and my rankings for them:

1a. Rodgers
1b. Brady
1c. Manning

The 3 ELITE QB's in the NFL and they're all in the playoffs

4. RG3
5. Matt Ryan
6. Luck
7. Wilson
8. Keapernick
9. Flacco
10. Dalton
11. Ponder
12. Schaub

Aside from Manning Ryan and Schaub, what do all these QB's have in common? They're mobile and can extend plays. Manning is mobile in the pocket and is an all time great. Ryan is mobile in the pocket and has tons of weapons but hasnt come through in the playoffs yet.

Then there's Schaub who compared to the other 11 playoff qb's is a statue.

With the rules changing the game to a passing league, teams have drafted front 7 more often early, so you need your QB to be mobile to evade defenders and we have an old, injured QB who can't move.

Adapt or Die, that's why they call it the NFL(Not For Long) just look at what you can do with a Mobile QB in this system can do in Washington. Dallas' pass rush was abysmal last night because they were worried about a 75% healthy RG3.

If Smith doesn't recognize this then we're headed for a major down fall and looking at getting left behind


What are you basing this ranking on? If you honestly think Flacco, Dalton, or Ponder are better, you're insane. Kaepernick and Wilson also have ridiculously strong teams built around them and a system to minimize their flaws, so you can apply every argument against Schuab against them. I'd put Schaub ahead of Luck right now, but Luck will obviously be better in the future.


Just my personal preference and I took into account their teams.
And schaub has a strong team around him also. Based on physical attributes Schaub is clearly the least physically gifted and the qb position is changing to what these other playoff qbs are.
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Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.
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Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


The little mojo he once had? The guy led the league in passing yards one year with the corpse of Steve Slaton as the primary RB...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


The little mojo he once had? The guy led the league in passing yards one year with the corpse of Steve Slaton as the primary RB...


Rolling Eyes get over it, it was A LONG TIME AGO in this league, he is garbage

why don't we sign David Carr, he won his first game ever, GOAT
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


The little mojo he once had? The guy led the league in passing yards one year with the corpse of Steve Slaton as the primary RB...


Rolling Eyes get over it, it was A LONG TIME AGO in this league, he is garbage

why don't we sign David Carr, he won his first game ever, GOAT


I couldn't come up with a weaker argument than that if I tried. The fact is, Schaub is a borderline Pro Bowl QB who plays well in this system. He's been consistently good since he got here. I know we all want a QB with a laser-sighted, heat-seeking missile launcher of an arm with the football mind of Vince Lombardi, but the fact is we should appreciate the fact we have one of the top 10 QB's in the game who will put the team in position to win. That's more than most of the teams in the league can say...
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If you don't want him, I'm sure the Jets would take him. Laughing
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Grasspike wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


The little mojo he once had? The guy led the league in passing yards one year with the corpse of Steve Slaton as the primary RB...


Rolling Eyes get over it, it was A LONG TIME AGO in this league, he is garbage

why don't we sign David Carr, he won his first game ever, GOAT


I couldn't come up with a weaker argument than that if I tried. The fact is, Schaub is a borderline Pro Bowl QB who plays well in this system. He's been consistently good since he got here. I know we all want a QB with a laser-sighted, heat-seeking missile launcher of an arm with the football mind of Vince Lombardi, but the fact is we should appreciate the fact we have one of the top 10 QB's in the game who will put the team in position to win. That's more than most of the teams in the league can say...


but the point remains, he has progressively gotten worse, still doesn't show up in big games and cannot carry this offense to a win if our run game doesn't control the game.....I agree we have no choice, let him run the playoffs and see what happens. BUT if/when he falls on his face in the wild card we better come up with a plan B as an organization
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amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


Ok I'll give you that argument in the Vikings game when he missed a wide open Posey twice (first time he could have scored), but most of the time the receivers aren't separating themselves from the defenders. It's on both the QB to make a good enough throw and the WR to try and get open. Schaub's arm isnt good enough to make a tough throw.
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Texansfan713 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


Ok I'll give you that argument in the Vikings game when he missed a wide open Posey twice (first time he could have scored), but most of the time the receivers aren't separating themselves from the defenders. It's on both the QB to make a good enough throw and the WR to try and get open. Schaub's arm isnt good enough to make a tough throw.


Above-avg to Elite QB's have to throw their receivers open sometimes, and Schaub doesnt not have that ability. He throws open guys into coverage.
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Texansfan713 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


Ok I'll give you that argument in the Vikings game when he missed a wide open Posey twice (first time he could have scored), but most of the time the receivers aren't separating themselves from the defenders. It's on both the QB to make a good enough throw and the WR to try and get open. Schaub's arm isnt good enough to make a tough throw.


I give up
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amazingandre wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


Ok I'll give you that argument in the Vikings game when he missed a wide open Posey twice (first time he could have scored), but most of the time the receivers aren't separating themselves from the defenders. It's on both the QB to make a good enough throw and the WR to try and get open. Schaub's arm isnt good enough to make a tough throw.


I give up


I for one would be perfectly happy with a WR who makes only the easy catches and none of the tough catches. Laughing
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amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Give Schaub the 2011 OL and the 2011 pass rush and we win the Super Bowl. Things just are not the same this year and Schaub is not a good enough QB to make up for the OL deficiencies. It's on Rick to find a way to shore up the line this offseason while also piecing the defense back together. It is going to be very tough.


It's also on him to make sure he gets another weapon to go with Andre too. It's obvious Walter isn't a number 2 WR and receiving threat. IDC if he can block well or not.


Agreed. The talent level on offense slipped this year, and though Brooks, Ben Jones, Posey, and Martin are likely to improve their second years, offense still needs to be a focus in this year's draft. As many "holes" as there are on defense, the D is still more productive than offense at this point and the talent level on O has the potential to fade fast. I would not be opposed at all to drafting a RT in the first and a RB in the 2nd.


This is a weak argument, there are guys running open and schaub is simply missing them....unless he finds the little mojo he once had, no wr will help this team


The little mojo he once had? The guy led the league in passing yards one year with the corpse of Steve Slaton as the primary RB...


Rolling Eyes get over it, it was A LONG TIME AGO in this league, he is garbage

why don't we sign David Carr, he won his first game ever, GOAT


I couldn't come up with a weaker argument than that if I tried. The fact is, Schaub is a borderline Pro Bowl QB who plays well in this system. He's been consistently good since he got here. I know we all want a QB with a laser-sighted, heat-seeking missile launcher of an arm with the football mind of Vince Lombardi, but the fact is we should appreciate the fact we have one of the top 10 QB's in the game who will put the team in position to win. That's more than most of the teams in the league can say...


but the point remains, he has progressively gotten worse, still doesn't show up in big games and cannot carry this offense to a win if our run game doesn't control the game.....I agree we have no choice, let him run the playoffs and see what happens. BUT if/when he falls on his face in the wild card we better come up with a plan B as an organization


The "big games" you decided he didn't show up for were arbitrarily chosen. mse and I have pointed out several other "big games" that he did show up for, but I guess they weren't good enough for you.
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