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justo


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CWood21 wrote:
justo wrote:
:throws away half finished cap document I started yesterday night:


No, calculate yours as well. The more we have, the more accurate it should get in theory.


Sweet. I'll finish it up then when I get back home. I'm just going off roto numbers. It's just 2013 though. Haven't taken into account roll over cap money and money we are still paying off. Is there anyone we are still paying off?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CWood21 wrote:
Feel free to double check my numbers, but I've got us at 28.47 million in cap space by cutting Jermichael Finley, Jeff Saturday, and Charles Woodson.

I've got a great mock, but my dang GF wants to spend the entire day with me.


I know how that goes......

There's all different ways to find cap money depending on who is off the books and gone. You can add Driver's and Jennings money also as both figure to be gone...unless you already have in that figure.

Out of all of the players gone, not exactly sure Woodson is gone, but would bet a pay cut would be in order for him to return.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My figures have us at $106.2m

In case anyone was interested.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Am Rodgers wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
justo wrote:
:throws away half finished cap document I started yesterday night:


No, calculate yours as well. The more we have, the more accurate it should get in theory.


We can do the Nate Silver thing and then average all our calculations together to see what we get. It should be closer than mostly everyones.
Dude must have been absolutely stoked on election day Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@JasonColeYahoo wrote:
NFLPA is planning for 2013 cap to be $121 mill. That's increase of $400K. Would be smallest yr over yr increase in history of cap.


121M. That's a 400K difference from this year. Enough to sign one UDFA. TT likes.

Also found this interesting.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8163278/nfl-bears-lions-jets-teams-face-major-2013-14-free-agent-decisions

There is a chart listing how many starters are projected to be FA in the next two years. This was written back in July so there are some changes, but the Bears lead with 17 FA Starters in the next two years. Ouch.

Our players that have expiring contracts:

Starters 2013:
Greg Jennings

Non-Starters:
Evan Dietrich-Smith
Donald Driver
Ryan Grant
Brad Jones
Erik Walden

RFA:
Sam Shields
Tom Crabtree
Jarrett Boykin
DuJuan Harris
Rob Francois
Jeremy Ross
Frank Zombo

2014 Starters:
Morgan Burnett
JerMichael Finley
James Jones
Clay Matthews
Marshall Newhouse
Ryan Pickett
BJ Raji
Jeff Saturday
CJ Wilson

Role Players:
James Starks
Mike Neal
John Kuhn

RFA:
Graham Harrell
MD Jennings
Jamari Lattimore
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My numbers are nearly identical. Only difference being that only the top 51 players count against the cap during the offseason.

Little things are the difference. Make sure you are increasing rookie contracts correctly. A lot of contracts are drastically different from year to year.

Also, adjust in the incoming rookies. And dead money coming off the books.
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Thanks for doing this. How do you work out how bonuses apply per year? If Desmond Bishop gets $2 million in roster/workout bonuses etc, how do you know how this is applied each year (or for similar bonuses). Is there a website other than rotoworld that gives the contract information with the extra money added on or do you all work it out yourselves (if so, how do you work it out please)?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

motorcycle wrote:
Thanks for doing this. How do you work out how bonuses apply per year? If Desmond Bishop gets $2 million in roster/workout bonuses etc, how do you know how this is applied each year (or for similar bonuses). Is there a website other than rotoworld that gives the contract information with the extra money added on or do you all work it out yourselves (if so, how do you work it out please)?

Signing Bonus' are prorated.

Here's where most people don't understand--those workout bonuses, roster bonuses, etc.

The ones deemed "Likely To Be Earned" (LTBE) not to be confused with LGBT. They determine what is LTBE based off the last year in 90% of cases. So if Rodgers has a bonus next year for 30 TD passes, and he has more than 30 TD passes this year, his bonus will count against the cap. Same with roster bonuses--on the team last year? Counts unless they are cut this year.

The 10% that isn't as straight forward--rookies. Some contracts, particularly the high picks, have LTBE count the first year--if their is debate on a LTBE bonus and arbitrator will determine the cap ramifications. Other than the rookies, there are injuries. Tom Brady goes down week 1, no stats for the previous year when they go to apply LTBE bonuses to the cap. An arbitrator may again look and decide on LTBE bonuses and their application to the cap.
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With the free agency thread creating a lot of chatter I thought it would be good to see how realistic it is to sign anyone. Below is the list of cap numbers for the offseason, I do not know if they are 100% accurate, but I think they are pretty close.

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Pos. Cap number Cash owed
Aaron Rodgers QB $9,750,000 $9,750,000
Charles Woodson S $9,437,500 $10,000,000
Jermichael Finley TE $8,750,000 $8,250,000
Tramon Williams CB $8,500,000 $6,500,000
A.J. Hawk LB $7,050,000 $5,450,000
Ryan Pickett DE $6,700,000 $6,200,000
B.J. Raji DT $6,195,000 $4,315,000
Josh Sitton OL $5,550,000 $4,350,000
Desmond Bishop LB $4,764,000 $3,964,000
Jeff Saturday OL $4,625,000 $3,750,000
Jordy Nelson WR $3,975,000 $3,150,000
James Jones WR $3,750,000 $3,250,000
Mason Crosby K $3,150,000 $2,550,000
T.J. Lang OL $3,100,000 $2,000,000
Clay Matthews LB $2,672,500 $1,532,500
John Kuhn RB $2,543,750 $2,350,000
Bryan Bulaga OL $2,125,500 $962,000
Derek Sherrod OL $1,800,546 $975,182
Jarrett Bush CB $1,783,333 $1,450,000
Nick Perry LB $1,704,375 $730,875
Tim Masthay P $1,105,000 $865,000
Jerel Worthy DT $897,319 $569,464
Randall Cobb WR $875,299 $666,766
Mike Neal DT $865,000 $575,000
Brett Goode OL $821,250 $740,000
Morgan Burnett S $793,775 $575,000
Casey Hayward CB $752,253 $540,451
Alex Green RB $691,250 $562,500
Davon House CB $630,145 $555,000
Graham Harrell QB $630,000 $630,000
Andrew Quarless TE $620,607 $575,000
Marshall Newhouse OL $612,464 $575,000
D.J. Williams TE $604,500 $555,000
James Starks RB $600,075 $575,000
C.J. Wilson DE $587,590 $575,000
Darryl Smith LB $580,788 $555,000
Ryan Taylor TE $569,794 $555,000
Jamari Lattimore LB $556,668 $555,000
M.D. Jennings S $555,834 $555,000
Mike Daniels DT $555,146 $480,000
Jerron McMillian S $555,146 $480,000
DuJuan Harris RB $555,000 $555,000
Brandon Saine RB $555,000 $555,000
Terrell Manning LB $522,870 $480,000
Dezman Moses LB $481,166 $480,000
Sean Richardson S $481,666 $480,000
Don Barclay OL $480,833 $480,000
Jarrett Boykin WR $480,000 $480,000
Jordan Miller DT $480,000 $480,000
Jeremy Ross WR $480,000 $480,000
Greg Van Roten OL $480,000 $480,000
Brandon Bostick TE $405,000 $405,000
B.J. Coleman QB $405,000 $405,000
Andrew Datko OL $405,000 $405,000
Garth Gerhart OL $405,000 $405,000
Joe Gibbs OL $405,000 $405,000
Micah Johnson LB $405,000 $405,000
James Nixon CB $405,000 $405,000
Chaz Powell CB $405,000 $405,000
"Dead money"
B.J. Coleman QB $34,422
Andrew Datko OL $34,422
Lawrence Guy DE $22,950
Tommie Draheim OL $5,667
Dale Moss WR $3,334
Marc Tyler RB $3,334
Jaymes Brooks OL $3,000
Duane Bennett RB $2,667
Vic So'oto LB $2,834
Eric Lair TE $1,667
Mike McCabe OL $1,667
Nicholas Cooper RB $1,000
Dion Turner CB $667
Shaky Smithson WR $334


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They have roughly $120.7 million dedicated to the highest-paid 51 players - the number the NFL counts in the off-season - through existing contracts.


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Here are some potential sources through contract terminations with the cap money the Packers would gain:

Safety Charles Woodson, $10 million
Tight end Finley, $8.25 million
Linebacker A.J. Hawk, $2.25 million
Center Jeff Saturday, $2.2 million
Fullback John Kuhn, $2.6 million


http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-face-turnover-thanks-to-salary-cap-bn8ga4v-188152951.html

After seeing the numbers a little closer, assuming they are correct, I think we will be pretty hard pressed to sign any free agents (which is not unusually or surprising to me). Also, I have been on thought process that we really can only afford to let one of Jennings or Finley go and not both. However, Finley's number is very enticing to cut and use that money elsewhere. I know we do not have a real replacement for him, but if we cut him we can crank out some extensions and try to find a cheaper replacement. It is probably not going to be someone equivalent to his skill set, but maybe a veteran to bridge the gap or roll with whoever we can get in the draft.

Either way I think it should be interesting to see how TT and Ball handle the situation (two people I think that will do a very good job at it).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no way we keep woods on on for his number. That would be awful business and our front office doesn't do awful. Saturday is gone. Kuhn isn't worth his contract either. Pickett should be restructured as well. I believe Finley will remain at his contract. Tramon might not be worth his money anymore either. Especially if he's only our third best CB. Kinda some ugly contracts at the top there actually. Lotta fat we could cut.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

incognito_man wrote:
Kuhn isn't worth his contract either.


http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=508865
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PackFan4Life wrote:
Kuhn will be back, not worried about this at all either way. Go contemplate in your Madden world what the Pack would do with his roster spot if they cut him all you want, but Kuhn will be back next year in Realville.


agreed.

He's Rodgers' most trusted blitz pick up guy. Rodgers stated he is the most well-versed guy on the playbook (other than Rodgers I'm sure).

He will have a place on this team for awhile yet IMO.

Hmmm
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we actually gain money by cutting/trading Hawk? That's completely contrary to what I've been reading.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Williams didn't look so bad to close the year I wouldn't have a problem letting Charles Woodson go. Maybe we can restructure him?
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nfldraftguru1 wrote:
So we actually gain money by cutting/trading Hawk? That's completely contrary to what I've been reading.
What do you mean? If a contract is 100% bonus money then it breaks even. I don't think it's possible to cut someone and not gain money.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
nfldraftguru1 wrote:
So we actually gain money by cutting/trading Hawk? That's completely contrary to what I've been reading.
What do you mean? If a contract is 100% bonus money then it breaks even. I don't think it's possible to cut someone and not gain money.

Had a brain fart moment there. All but 2.25M of his deal is guaranteed so we'd basically be paying him to go away, which is what I read elsewhere. Embarassed
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