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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please no Alex Smith.

Flynn, yes. I don't want a QB that has been benched for someone better. In Flynn's case, I understand they drafted a QB that is capable of playing so they started him instead.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BenchSanchez wrote:
Please no Alex Smith.

Flynn, yes. I don't want a QB that has been benched for someone better. In Flynn's case, I understand they drafted a QB that is capable of playing so they started him instead.


You realize the 49ers drafted a guy to succeed Alex Smith too.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BenchSanchez wrote:
Please no Alex Smith.

Flynn, yes. I don't want a QB that has been benched for someone better. In Flynn's case, I understand they drafted a QB that is capable of playing so they started him instead.


That's exactly what happened in Flynn's case. Matt Flynn was the guy who got all the money. Russell Wilson was the THIRD ROUND rookie. All Flynn had to do was tie Russell Wilson and he would have had the job

Instead Russell Wilson was decisively better.

Also the problem with Matt Flynn and Kirk Cousins is that they combined only have THREE games played.

Although that worked out for the Texans when they got Matt Schaub from Atlanta, it's an incredible risk to pin your whole future on a guy that unproven

Vick is decisively a better bet than either one of those guys. [/b]
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skrILL wrote:
Vick would still be a huge upgrade over what we've had, but I don't think he's worth what he'll be asking for. At this point I think the best plan would be to sign a free agent like Matt Moore or Jason Campbell to pave the way for Mike Glennon.


I agree with you 100%. If we could get him on the cheap then hell yeah, bring in Vick. But if we can't we might as well pass and go for Matt Moore and Mike Glennon. Vick is a high risk/high reward kind of guy at this point in his career, and given the Jets current situation, I'm only looking to gamble if I can afford to take the losses.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JETSsuperbowl43 wrote:
skrILL wrote:
Vick would still be a huge upgrade over what we've had, but I don't think he's worth what he'll be asking for. At this point I think the best plan would be to sign a free agent like Matt Moore or Jason Campbell to pave the way for Mike Glennon.


I agree with you 100%. If we could get him on the cheap then hell yeah, bring in Vick. But if we can't we might as well pass and go for Matt Moore and Mike Glennon. Vick is a high risk/high reward kind of guy at this point in his career, and given the Jets current situation, I'm only looking to gamble if I can afford to take the losses.

But if Smith is a FA, he is clearly a better option than Moore.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all comes down to price. Vick is definetly an upgrade over Sanchez, and in my eyes vick would be a good guy to atleast bring in for a one year deal, with hopes of drafting someone as well. The biggest thing with Vick in my eyes would be that he could turn Holmes back into a big play making threat.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skrILL wrote:
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I would honesty prefer Sanchez over Vick. Pass.

Why...

Because Vick is a POS. The only reason he is not still in jail is because he can throw and run the rock. Which btw if you thought Mark was bad with Turnovers have you seen Vick play. I would imagine it is only more infuriating given his talent level.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBIB wrote:
skrILL wrote:
green24 wrote:
I would honesty prefer Sanchez over Vick. Pass.

Why...


For the same reason many members of the media are trying to write Vick out of football completely despite the fact that he's obviously the most talented and accomplished QB that will legitimately be available in free agency. (Flacco isn't going anywhere)

People haven't gotten over what Vick has done off the field so they overstate how much of a case they have for him being done on the field

The bottom line is despite how "ancient" people try to make Vick, he's only 6 months older than Eli Manning, he's younger than a Tony Romo, only a year older than Schaub and within a couple years of guys like Philip Rivers and another guy who has had his troubles staying healthy in Big Ben Roethlisbeger

Speaking of health, new technology will vastly improve Vick's chances of staying healthy. All 6 games that Vick missed in 2010 and 2011 were because of a rib injury. Well Vick now wears a military grade kevlar vest that pretty much takes that out of the equation. Same thing that allowed Tony Romo to play with a serious rib injury recently as well
http://gizmodo.com/5939117/a-kevlar+armored-vest-will-protect-nfl-players-from-getting-hurt

And Vick's now been fitted for a helmet that should dramatically decrease the risk of a concussion
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8685063/michael-vick-philadelphia-eagles-being-fitted-extra-helmet-protection


So with age and injury not as big of a factor what about level of motivation?

The one thing that hurt Vick in Atlanta was he had a Jamarcus Russell level work ethic. And getting $100 million dollar contract didn't help. Didn't help in Philly either. Even though he didn't totally return to his ATlanta ways, it has to on some level add some complacency considering where Vick came from just a few years earlier in prison.

Well now that motivation is fueled again without that 9 figure deal and with everyone doubting again if he can make a comeback

Add a team that may actually have a competent offensive line and a team that may actually run the ball on a consistent basis, and it's a perfect recipe for Vick to play like the comeback player of the year again in 2013
The problem here is that Vick's age has a lot to do with his performance. At 33, he's no longer as athletic as he was 5 years ago. Considering this has been his main selling point for a majority of his career...and the fact that Sparano is nowhere near the offensive mind that Andy Reid is...and that we run a ball control offense...yeah, this is a terrible fit for Vick.

I'm of the belief that Vick is only as good as his coaching and Sparano is not good with QBs. With the Jets I wouldn't be surprised to see Vick turn the ball over, pass similarly to his days in Atlanta and have a decent year on the ground, but not one of his earlier years for sure.

Alex Smith or Matt Moore are better options imo
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for getting a stop gap QB while we draft a QB of the future. I remember years ago we picked up Vinny T. to fill the gap until Chad Pennington was ready. I say see how Greg MaC does the next two games and if he does well bring in a QB like Matt Moore, or Shaun Hill to compete against him for the starting job. I would then draft Barkley or Landry as a third string QB and see if they can move there way up the latter. I really want a QB who will not turn the ball over 3-4 times a game. This is what Vick does which is why I don't want him.

I still like Barkley and Landry but I know most people do not.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NY_Jets87 wrote:
skrILL wrote:
green24 wrote:
I would honesty prefer Sanchez over Vick. Pass.

Why...

Because Vick is a POS. The only reason he is not still in jail is because he can throw and run the rock. Which btw if you thought Mark was bad with Turnovers have you seen Vick play. I would imagine it is only more infuriating given his talent level.


Actually the only reason Vick went to jail at all is because he played football. 99 times out of 100 you pay a fine, but they wanted to make a statement. It's funny the way Americans view the prison system. They want people to be violated anddestroyed while inside then act all shocked and confused when people become repeat offenders or they spit on people who have gotten out because they should have never been inside in the first place
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malik wrote:
NY_Jets87 wrote:
skrILL wrote:
green24 wrote:
I would honesty prefer Sanchez over Vick. Pass.

Why...

Because Vick is a POS. The only reason he is not still in jail is because he can throw and run the rock. Which btw if you thought Mark was bad with Turnovers have you seen Vick play. I would imagine it is only more infuriating given his talent level.


Actually the only reason Vick went to jail at all is because he played football. 99 times out of 100 you pay a fine, but they wanted to make a statement. It's funny the way Americans view the prison system. They want people to be violated anddestroyed while inside then act all shocked and confused when people become repeat offenders or they spit on people who have gotten out because they should have never been inside in the first place
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malik wrote:
NY_Jets87 wrote:
skrILL wrote:
green24 wrote:
I would honesty prefer Sanchez over Vick. Pass.

Why...

Because Vick is a POS. The only reason he is not still in jail is because he can throw and run the rock. Which btw if you thought Mark was bad with Turnovers have you seen Vick play. I would imagine it is only more infuriating given his talent level.


Actually the only reason Vick went to jail at all is because he played football. 99 times out of 100 you pay a fine, but they wanted to make a statement. It's funny the way Americans view the prison system. They want people to be violated anddestroyed while inside then act all shocked and confused when people become repeat offenders or they spit on people who have gotten out because they should have never been inside in the first place


If you think Vick didn't deserve to go to jail you are dead wrong bro. However, he did his time, he has also done everything he can to rehabilitate his image and I now have more respect for him has a human being, but he is by no means the right answer at QB for this team, not for one year or for one day.
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Malik wrote:
NY_Jets87 wrote:
skrILL wrote:
green24 wrote:
I would honesty prefer Sanchez over Vick. Pass.

Why...

Because Vick is a POS. The only reason he is not still in jail is because he can throw and run the rock. Which btw if you thought Mark was bad with Turnovers have you seen Vick play. I would imagine it is only more infuriating given his talent level.


Actually the only reason Vick went to jail at all is because he played football. 99 times out of 100 you pay a fine, but they wanted to make a statement. It's funny the way Americans view the prison system. They want people to be violated anddestroyed while inside then act all shocked and confused when people become repeat offenders or they spit on people who have gotten out because they should have never been inside in the first place


That was the case with Plaxico, not really Vick. The average sentence for dog fighting is around 5 years.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question. What would everyone have to say about bringing in a RB who was over 30? I view vick as a RB that can throw a deep ball. I don't think he is near as athletic as he used to be, and way more turn over prone. I don't like him.
I just want to see what GMac can do. Then we have to see what Woody does to the FO.
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