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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucsEST96 wrote:
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Tell me how Teo improves our pass rush or secondary. Please.

No knocks on him as a prospect, but he does nothing to improve us at all.


Tell me how 2 rookie CB's will help us? You don't pass on guys like T'eo over a "need". He's clearly the best prospect and gonna be a hell of a MLB. None of these CB's are close to Claiborne who we passed on, it's no difference between Xavier Rhodes Bank Milliner than Logan Ryan.

Hell Jarvis Jones , T'eo ,Werner Star and the A&M guy are the best outta the class


Call me crazy but I don't think teo is worth a top 10 pick. He's good but he's not Patrick Willis good. We have a good MLB in foster. I would take a stud pass rusher over cb in the 1st. Sean King said it best. He doesn't really see a cb worth a top 20 selection and are better off with the best pass rusher available then going CB in round 2.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

REDandPEWTER wrote:
bucsEST96 wrote:
tml_gogo wrote:
Tell me how Teo improves our pass rush or secondary. Please.

No knocks on him as a prospect, but he does nothing to improve us at all.


Tell me how 2 rookie CB's will help us? You don't pass on guys like T'eo over a "need". He's clearly the best prospect and gonna be a hell of a MLB. None of these CB's are close to Claiborne who we passed on, it's no difference between Xavier Rhodes Bank Milliner than Logan Ryan.

Hell Jarvis Jones , T'eo ,Werner Star and the A&M guy are the best outta the class


Call me crazy but I don't think teo is worth a top 10 pick. He's good but he's not Patrick Willis good. We have a good MLB in foster. I would take a stud pass rusher over cb in the 1st. Sean King said it best. He doesn't really see a cb worth a top 20 selection and are better off with the best pass rusher available then going CB in round 2.


Sorry did you just say Sean King, and do you mean former bucs QB Shaun King?

I see 3 cb's worth top 20 selection right now. Millner, Banks and Rhodes.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucstopshere wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
bucsEST96 wrote:
tml_gogo wrote:
Tell me how Teo improves our pass rush or secondary. Please.

No knocks on him as a prospect, but he does nothing to improve us at all.


Tell me how 2 rookie CB's will help us? You don't pass on guys like T'eo over a "need". He's clearly the best prospect and gonna be a hell of a MLB. None of these CB's are close to Claiborne who we passed on, it's no difference between Xavier Rhodes Bank Milliner than Logan Ryan.

Hell Jarvis Jones , T'eo ,Werner Star and the A&M guy are the best outta the class


Call me crazy but I don't think teo is worth a top 10 pick. He's good but he's not Patrick Willis good. We have a good MLB in foster. I would take a stud pass rusher over cb in the 1st. Sean King said it best. He doesn't really see a cb worth a top 20 selection and are better off with the best pass rusher available then going CB in round 2.


Sorry did you just say Sean King, and do you mean former bucs QB Shaun King?

I see 3 cb's worth top 20 selection right now. Millner, Banks and Rhodes.

Yeah I'd take Rhodes and Millner top twenty without a doubt. Banks definitely has top twenty talent, not sold on him but you see a 6'2 corner with his fluidity and playmaking and it is impressive.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucstopshere wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
bucsEST96 wrote:
tml_gogo wrote:
Tell me how Teo improves our pass rush or secondary. Please.

No knocks on him as a prospect, but he does nothing to improve us at all.


Tell me how 2 rookie CB's will help us? You don't pass on guys like T'eo over a "need". He's clearly the best prospect and gonna be a hell of a MLB. None of these CB's are close to Claiborne who we passed on, it's no difference between Xavier Rhodes Bank Milliner than Logan Ryan.

Hell Jarvis Jones , T'eo ,Werner Star and the A&M guy are the best outta the class


Call me crazy but I don't think teo is worth a top 10 pick. He's good but he's not Patrick Willis good. We have a good MLB in foster. I would take a stud pass rusher over cb in the 1st. Sean King said it best. He doesn't really see a cb worth a top 20 selection and are better off with the best pass rusher available then going CB in round 2.


Sorry did you just say Sean King, and do you mean former bucs QB Shaun King?

I see 3 cb's worth top 20 selection right now. Millner, Banks and Rhodes.


Idk about that. If we're picking top 10 I don't see a truly elite cb prospect warranting that pick. I'd go BPA. Banks no way. Gives up too many completions and isn't very physical. He's overrated IMO and is a poor mans Talib.

I like Rhodes a lot bit not sure I'd spend a top 10 pick on him. Maybe trade down. ?

I think we need to go BPA. If that's someone like Moore or Jordan than you have to get that elite pass rusher. Reaching for need won't exactly improve your team.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

REDandPEWTER wrote:
bucstopshere wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
bucsEST96 wrote:
tml_gogo wrote:
Tell me how Teo improves our pass rush or secondary. Please.

No knocks on him as a prospect, but he does nothing to improve us at all.


Tell me how 2 rookie CB's will help us? You don't pass on guys like T'eo over a "need". He's clearly the best prospect and gonna be a hell of a MLB. None of these CB's are close to Claiborne who we passed on, it's no difference between Xavier Rhodes Bank Milliner than Logan Ryan.

Hell Jarvis Jones , T'eo ,Werner Star and the A&M guy are the best outta the class


Call me crazy but I don't think teo is worth a top 10 pick. He's good but he's not Patrick Willis good. We have a good MLB in foster. I would take a stud pass rusher over cb in the 1st. Sean King said it best. He doesn't really see a cb worth a top 20 selection and are better off with the best pass rusher available then going CB in round 2.


Sorry did you just say Sean King, and do you mean former bucs QB Shaun King?

I see 3 cb's worth top 20 selection right now. Millner, Banks and Rhodes.


Idk about that. If we're picking top 10 I don't see a truly elite cb prospect warranting that pick. I'd go BPA. Banks no way. Gives up too many completions and isn't very physical. He's overrated IMO and is a poor mans Talib.

I like Rhodes a lot bit not sure I'd spend a top 10 pick on him. Maybe trade down. ?

I think we need to go BPA. If that's someone like Moore or Jordan than you have to get that elite pass rusher. Reaching for need won't exactly improve your team.

I was big on Aldon Smith when he came out and I can tell he was a lot better prospect than Jordan. Not saying I don't like Jordan, I am a fan of his but he's not an elite prospect. JPP and Smith were much stronger coming out, actually had a few moves (Smith moreso), and played better against the run. Now Jordan could very well be a stud. Long, athletic as hell, reported good work ethic, versatile, and decent use of hand. But it still is a fact he doesn't really have any moves, looks lost at times, and not much of a run defender. Do not know he fits into a 4-3, would need good coaching and smart DC. I like Jordan, but I do not think if him and a top CB are on the board it'd be a simple pick or even a bad idea to go corner.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucsEST96 wrote:
tml_gogo wrote:
Tell me how Teo improves our pass rush or secondary. Please.

No knocks on him as a prospect, but he does nothing to improve us at all.


Tell me how 2 rookie CB's will help us? You don't pass on guys like T'eo over a "need". He's clearly the best prospect and gonna be a hell of a MLB. None of these CB's are close to Claiborne who we passed on, it's no difference between Xavier Rhodes Bank Milliner than Logan Ryan.

Hell Jarvis Jones , T'eo ,Werner Star and the A&M guy are the best outta the class


How do 2 rookie corners help us? Is that a serious question? Our starting corners right now would have trouble making COLLEGE starting rosters. Two rookie corners, no matter who they are, are better than the UDFA's and randoms that we have.

Teo is not clearly the best prospect, not at all. Everyone agrees his intangibles are through the roof, but many question his athleticism. He's the top MLB prospect, not at all the top prospect.
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My point is we shouldn't take a cb high just bc we need one. You go BPa. That's what seperates us from good teams. We did a great job with landing Martin and David last year. Barron I still feel we reached for need.

Dion Jordan is a stud. So is demantre Moore and Jarvis Jones. If they slip to us it should be a no brainer. Solid chance we pick top 10 as well.

I just don't see the value in taking a cb top 10. Not with other elite rose td on te board.
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My point is we shouldn't take a cb high just bc we need one. You go BPa. That's what seperates us from good teams. We did a great job with landing Martin and David last year. Barron I still feel we reached for need.

Dion Jordan is a stud. So is demantre Moore and Jarvis Jones. If they slip to us it should be a no brainer. Solid chance we pick top 10 as well.

I just don't see the value in taking a cb top 10. Not with other elite rose td on te board.


If any of those three pass rushers are there then yes I would take a hard look at those, but I think all are gone before our pick.

Werner is just like Clayborn and Bowers, no need for ANOTHER bull rusher. We need a pass rush specialist. Like SG said, I know everyone knew I was super high on Aldon Smith in 2011.

Still I strongly belive that Millner and Banks deserve to go top 20. They would instantly be better then anyone on our roster.
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My point is we shouldn't take a cb high just bc we need one. You go BPa. That's what seperates us from good teams. We did a great job with landing Martin and David last year. Barron I still feel we reached for need.

Dion Jordan is a stud. So is demantre Moore and Jarvis Jones. If they slip to us it should be a no brainer. Solid chance we pick top 10 as well.

I just don't see the value in taking a cb top 10. Not with other elite rose td on te board.


If any of those three pass rushers are there then yes I would take a hard look at those, but I think all are gone before our pick.

Werner is just like Clayborn and Bowers, no need for ANOTHER bull rusher. We need a pass rush specialist. Like SG said, I know everyone knew I was super high on Aldon Smith in 2011.

Still I strongly belive that Millner and Banks deserve to go top 20. They would instantly be better then anyone on our roster.


Agree with you on Werner that's why I did not mention him. But IF WE are picking top 10 which I strongly believe with 2 games left against tough opponents, will be in the 7-10 range, we will have a shot at either:
- demantre Moore
- star loutelli
- dion Jordan
- Jarvis Jones.

I would not touch a cb in the top 15 picks bc I dot know of the value is there. 16-25 is where I'd begin to gamble.
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Jarvis Jones is great but I can't fathom the selection. It'd be adding another DE with medical concerns. His spine injury is going to derail his career and will be out the league by 28. Amazing talent but with Bowers knee, Clayborn erbs palsy, I rather we not draft a DE with medical red flags. Jones is amazing but I rather go get somebody else. Even a DT maybe.
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Jarvis Jones is great but I can't fathom the selection. It'd be adding another DE with medical concerns. His spine injury is going to derail his career and will be out the league by 28. Amazing talent but with Bowers knee, Clayborn erbs palsy, I rather we not draft a DE with medical red flags. Jones is amazing but I rather go get somebody else. Even a DT maybe.

I would think that he would play SLB on 1st and 2nd down then jump down to DE on 3rd down. His spinal stenosis is definitely the wildcard. I have no idea how that will hurt his stock. Players have been forced to retire early (Marcus McNeill, Chris Samuels and Michael Irvin to name a few) because of this.

IMO he is the most talented prospect in the draft.
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Jones is the only one I realistically see making it to us.

I have both Moore and Star going top 5, with Dion Jordan going top 8.

Jones would be intriguing though for sure. Like DRD said, he would play SLB for us, which would allow us to get rid of Black's high salary, then would rush in passing situations. Either of those three tweener DE's you listed I could see because we could do that with any one of those guys.

I still would rather draft a CB in the first and sign a top one in FA. We can't cover for two seconds, and while the draft is deep in corner, I really believe Millner or Banks will do us great.
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bucstopshere wrote:
Jones is the only one I realistically see making it to us.

I have both Moore and Star going top 5, with Dion Jordan going top 8.

Jones would be intriguing though for sure. Like DRD said, he would play SLB for us, which would allow us to get rid of Black's high salary, then would rush in passing situations. Either of those three tweener DE's you listed I could see because we could do that with any one of those guys.

I still would rather draft a CB in the first and sign a top one in FA. We can't cover for two seconds, and while the draft is deep in corner, I really believe Millner or Banks will do us great.


Understand for sure. But I think we'd benefit trading down and then get a cb. Gather some extra picks and still get Xavier Rhodes who I like a lot better than banks and milliner.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
bucstopshere wrote:
Jones is the only one I realistically see making it to us.

I have both Moore and Star going top 5, with Dion Jordan going top 8.

Jones would be intriguing though for sure. Like DRD said, he would play SLB for us, which would allow us to get rid of Black's high salary, then would rush in passing situations. Either of those three tweener DE's you listed I could see because we could do that with any one of those guys.

I still would rather draft a CB in the first and sign a top one in FA. We can't cover for two seconds, and while the draft is deep in corner, I really believe Millner or Banks will do us great.


Understand for sure. But I think we'd benefit trading down and then get a cb. Gather some extra picks and still get Xavier Rhodes who I like a lot better than banks and milliner.

The hard part is finding a trading partner
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LazyBoyFil wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
bucstopshere wrote:
Jones is the only one I realistically see making it to us.

I have both Moore and Star going top 5, with Dion Jordan going top 8.

Jones would be intriguing though for sure. Like DRD said, he would play SLB for us, which would allow us to get rid of Black's high salary, then would rush in passing situations. Either of those three tweener DE's you listed I could see because we could do that with any one of those guys.

I still would rather draft a CB in the first and sign a top one in FA. We can't cover for two seconds, and while the draft is deep in corner, I really believe Millner or Banks will do us great.


Understand for sure. But I think we'd benefit trading down and then get a cb. Gather some extra picks and still get Xavier Rhodes who I like a lot better than banks and milliner.

The hard part is finding a trading partner


Exactly. This isnt madden. While Dom has been great on moving during draft day we dont know where they have players rated.....
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