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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:08 pm    Post subject: Numbers' 4Ws 11Ls Mock *Updated* Reply with quote

New General Manager : Floyd Reese : Current New England Patriots Senior Football Advisor

During his time with the Houston/Tennessee franchise, he won more games than any other General Manager in the history of the franchise. In addition, he's drafted well, selecting the likes of Steve McNair, Eddie George, Samari Rolle, Jevon Kearse, Keith Bulluck, Albert Haynesworth, Randy Starks, Adam Jones, Michael Roos, and David Stewart among others who were high level players for that franchise. Working with Bill Belichick and the Patriots staff shows him how the Patriots maneuver around the draft in order to stockpile talent and he brings that to Philadelphia.

Head Coach : Mike McCoy : Current Denver Broncos Offensive Coordinator

While he only has a minor tie to Reese (through Josh McDaniels), McCoy is seen as the best option for the head coaching vacancy in Philadelphia. McCoy has proven the ability to get the most out of his offensive players, and with the team going forward with 2012 third round pick Nick Foles, the front office feels its best to get a coach who gets the most out of the QB position, but is also able to formulate a balanced and successful NFL gameplan.

Offensive Coordinator : Jeff Davidson : Current Minnesota Vikings Offensive Line Coach

When Mike McCoy got his start as a coach in the NFL in Carolina, Davidson was the offensive coordinator. Now, with McCoy getting the head coaching job he will work with a former mentor to create an offense built around the running game and skill set of young Nick Foles.

Defensive Coordinator : Mike Trgovac : Current Green Bay Packers Defensive Line Coach

Trgovac actually had a solid run as defensive coordinator for a few years in Carolina when McCoy was starting out, but drew criticism with his conservative defensive game plans that relied on strong defensive line play, particularly on the outside with Mike Rucker and Julius Peppers, but that defensive line was dominant up the middle as well with Kris Jenkins and Brentson Buckner. He comes in, bringing Sal Sunseri in as his defensive line coach, and builds the DL around Brandon Graham and Fletcher Cox.

Cap Roll-Over
Currently we are projected to be $18,120,825 over the cap in the offseason, however, we roll over our remaining cap room this season, (22,454,309) giving us $4,333,484 in cap room.

Cuts
QB : Michael Vick : $10,700,000 Saved

OT : Demetress Bell : $10,600,000 Saved

DE : Jason Babin : $4,445,000 Saved (JAX claimed his entire contract off waivers)

DT : Cullen Jenkins : $5,500,000 Saved

DT : Mike Patterson : $2,900,000 Saved

CB : Nnamdi Asomugha : $11,300,000 Saved

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$45,445,000 Saved in Cuts

Contract Re-Structured
LT Jason Peters
Takes Salary from $10,000,000 to $5,000,000

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$5,000,000 Saved in Re-structure

Total Cap Room : $54,778,484

Trade

The Philadelphia Eagles Trade WR Jeremy Maclin and our 6th Round Pick to the St. Louis Rams for a 3rd Round Selection (79th Overall) Maclin goes home to Missouri, while we get a high enough pick in a deep WR draft to replace him. Maclin has been hot lately, but he's injury prone, but the Rams are desperate to add talent for Bradford to throw to.
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$2,853,000 Saved

Re-Signings
LB : Akeem Jordan : 2 Years, $3,600,000 / $1,800,000 Each Year
S : Colt Anderson : 1 Year, $980,000
LS : Jon Dorenbos : 1 Year $980,000
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$3,760,000 Spent on Re-Signing Period : $53,871,484 Left in Cap Room

Free Agency
The Philadelphia Eagles Sign Cornerback Brent Grimes to a 1 Year, $5,500,000 Million Dollar Deal.

After being let test the market by the Falcons coming off an achilles tear, Grimes signs a one year contract with his home town team, allowing him to potentially restore his value in front of his family. He comes in as the starting right corner, and is 30, so he only has one major contract left after this season so he takes a risk on a team that gives him a starting opportunity without Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie. When healthy he's a physical corner who is one of the more underrated players in the NFL.

The Philadelphia Eagles Sign OT Sebastian Vollmer to a 7 Year, $38,900,000 Contract.

The Deal Pays $7,000,000 in the first season, in an effort to reach the cap floor. Vollmer comes in as the RT, kicking Herremans to RG, but he's also showed he can play LT if Jason Peters isn't 100%. This move makes our 2013 Offensive line Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Herremans-Vollmer, giving us an elite unit to protect Nick Foles and open holes for both LeSean McCoy and Bryce Brown.

The Philadelphia Eagles Sign DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu to a 1 Year, $990,000 Contract.

The Deal includes incentives that could take the deal up to up to $1,500,000. Kemoeatu comes in to be the backup nose tackle who is given the opportunity to start. Once a promising young player his career was derailed by injuries and weight issues, however, he has gotten his weight in check over the past year and has been a solid reserve for the Ravens this season.

The Philadelphia Eagles Sign QB Tyler Thigpen to a 2 Year, $2,500,000 Contract.

The Contract counts $1,250,000 against the cap each season. Mike McCoy gets the most out of his quarterbacks, and makes them feel comfortable, and Thigpen when in a pistol style scheme is a solid backup. McCoy has shown an ability to change the playbook depending on his QB, but since Foles like shotgun sets as well it won't be as major a difference.
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$14,740,000 Against Cap, $39,141,484 In Cap Room


NFL Draft
The Eagles trade the #4 selection in the 2012 NFL Draft To the Miami Dolphins for the #15, 45, and the #82(via Chicago) Picks in the 2013 NFL Draft.

Value-wise according to the trade value chart we take a 120 point loss (late 3rd round value), but we increase the amount of picks we have to fill the necessary holes on this roster. After losing Jake Long via free agency, the Dolphins move up to select Luke Joeckel, who was coached by Mike Sherman at Texas A&M so he fits the offensive scheme, and has played with Ryan Tannehill as well. The Dolphins have extra selections in the second and third rounds so they can still fill their needs at WR and CB, as well as adding depth, while the trade allows the Eagles to address multiple needs in the first three rounds of the draft.

Draft Picks
1-15 / 2-35 / 2-45 / 3-67 / 3-82 / 4-99 / 5-138 / 7-239

With the 15th Overall Selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select…Johnathan Hankins, Defensive Tackle, Ohio State

Hankins is an animal who, while his motor can run hot and cold, can be unblockable for interior lineman. He's a guy that forces double teams, which really opens things up for the rest of the front 7, and with Fletcher Cox doing a lot of the same things here we could form one of the better defensive tackle duos in the NFL, opening things up for our outside rushers, as well as keeping our linebackers clean and allowing them to make plays. This gives the Eagles a similar dynamic as the Williams Wall gave the Vikings defense, which was routinely one of the best pass rushing defenses as well as run defenses in football. It also gives us the potential to run 3-4 fronts with a down line of Thorton-Hankins-Cox.

With the 35th Overall Selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select…Jordan Poyer, Cornerback, Oregon State

Poyer reminds me a lot of Leon Hall, as he's a guy who can be moved around the formation utilizing his speed to cover the flanker, physicality to cover the split end, or using his fluidity, quickness, and toughness to cover the slot. He also has solid ball skills when in coverage, showing the ability to make plays on footballs even if he doesn't come down with the football. As a run defender he understands angles, and is tough and willing to stick his nose in there and make a tackle. In addition he is a pretty good blitzer, and all around just a good football player.

With the 45th Overall Selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select…Shawn Williams, Safety, Georgia

The new starting strong safety Williams is a strong run defender and a punishing presence at safety who is underrated in coverage and has shown the ability to make plays on the football. He adds physical play on the backend who can come up and almost looks like an extra linebacker when making plays in the running game, blowing up plays all over the field, and never seeming overmatched in the most NFL ready conference in college football bar none.

With the 67th Overall Selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select…Da'Rick Rogers, Wide Receiver, Tennessee Tech

After trading Maclin, a receiver need has opened up, and Rogers might be the most talented receiver in this class, but questionable character drop his stock from what could be a top 10 pick completely out of the top 64, but this could be a situation where the reward of a number one receiver outweighs the risk in the third round, and he is clearly the most talented football player on the board. He reminds me a ton of a Dwayne Bowe type receiver and could be an immediate starter.

With the 79th Overall Selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select…Bacarri Rambo, Safety Georgia

Rambo paired with Williams to form the best safety duo in college football and while Williams is more the tough, hit you in the mouth safety to Rambo's ball hawk role, Rambo isn't afraid to come up and make an impact in the running game if needed. He's a turnover forcing machine, and is a playmaker, which is something we severely lacked in the 2012 season. There are some who feel if not for off-field issues he could be a late first to mid second type player, and when you watch he backs up that sentiment, he's a talented player, and starts as the free safety. This safety combo has immense talent, and while Rambo gets beat at times trying to make the big plays, we need playmakers to force turnovers as our turnover ratio has been pitiful this season. While Rambo and Rogers may be risks, Reese has taken risks in the past, as does the New England front office.

With the 82nd Overall Selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select…Kyle Long, Offensive Tackle, Oregon

Long was recently rejected for a redshirt for next season, so he will be coming out in the draft this year, and while he is very raw as a prospect, he's got all the traits to develop into a very good NFL left tackle, with the bloodlines to boot. His father is hall of fame Defensive End Howie Long, and his brother is NFL star Chris Long. Both have gone on record saying Long is the best athlete in the family, and he has the feet, length, and mobility while pulling to eventually be an elite left tackle and bookend Vollmer long term. In the meantime he will sit and learn behind Jason Peters.

With the 99th Overall Selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select…Braxton Cave, Center, Notre Dame

While Kelce has proven to be a solid at worst NFL center (looked like a potential pro bowler early this season), depth at the position to move forward with is a huge need as Dallas Reynolds is absolutely terrible. Cave is having a strong season for the fighting irish as a run and pass blocker, and could be a decent backup or even a future starter long term for another team.

The Philadelphia Eagles Trade their 5th round selection (138th Overall) in the 2013 NFL Draft to the Houston Texans for a 2014 4th Round Pick. The Texans move up for WR Marcus Davis of Virginia Tech, hoping he can develop into a starter, while Reese moves down in New England esque fashion to a get a future selection in a higher round.

With the 239th Overall Selection in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select…Tourek Williams, Defensive End, Florida International

A long armed defensive end with a quick first step Williams is raw. While he shows solid awareness when it comes to finding the football, his hand use, pass rush repertoire, and his technique dealing with cut blocks. He also has a subpar level of competition and wasn't dominant, but the athletic tools are there to be developed.

UDFA : Punter : Brad Wing, LSU

He's got off field issues and likely won't be drafted, but we bring him in to battle McBriar, and I think he wins the job as he has that kind of talent.

UDFA : Guard : Josh Dworaczyk : LSU

LSU's left tackle that helped them to being a strong rushing team, Dworaczyk is a guy who isn't a good enough athlete to be an offensive tackle, but could be a soild reserve guard.

UDFA : Linebacker : Archibald Barnes : Vanderbilt

A high upside athletic player with length out of the SEC, Barnes is brought in to be a special teamer and a backup on the strongside behind Jamar Chaney.

Nick Foles // Tyler Thigpen // Trent Edward
LeSean McCoy // Bryce Brown // Chris Polk // Dion Lewis
Stanley Havili
Brent Celek // Clay Harbor
DeSean Jackson // Da'Rick Rogers // Jason Avant // Riley Cooper // Damaris Johnson
Jason Peters // Kyle Long
Evan Mathis // Josh Dworaczyk
Jason Kelce // Braxton Cave
Todd Herremans // Danny Watkins
Sebastian Vollmer // Dennis Kelly

Brandon Graham // Phillip Hunt // Tourek Williams
John Hankins // Ma'ake Kemoeatu
Fletcher Cox // Cedric Thorton
Trent Cole // Vinny Curry
Jamar Chaney // Archibald Barnes
DeMeco Ryans // Casey Matthews
Mychal Kendricks // Akeem Jordan
Jordan Poyer // Brandon Boykin // Brandon Hughes
Shawn Williams // Kurt Coleman
Bacarri Rambo // Colt Anderson // Nate Allen
Brent Grimes // Curtis Marsh

Alex Henery
Brad Wing
Jon Dorenbos


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Beside Rambo, I love this.
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Think Ansah's a reach even if blows up at the combine. Don't think enough is done here to address the offensive line.

If Peters doesn't come back - we're in trouble - need to take a offensive tackle by round 2 at the latest (or sign a free agent at that spot).
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Maybe you should start somehow highlight the differences between your mocks...

I'll post more when I get a chance to really dive into it.
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Coaching staff is acceptable to me.

Like the cuts/new contracts, especially since you let DRC walk.

Like the CAR trade.

Moore is a good pick-up. McKelvin is a so-so pick-up IMO.

Leinart! Laughing

Ansah (maybe move back a little further to get him), Short, Rambo up in the top is ok with me at this point in time.

Like the Fauria pick a lot.

Lattimore is worth the risk, even with his injury concern.

Not bad overall EF5-36-81.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nlesthought wrote:
Maybe you should start somehow highlight the differences between your mocks...

I'll post more when I get a chance to really dive into it.


I agree with this, it looks very similar to your last one.

Given that, most of my comments still holds. I do like the William Moore signing and the Ziggy Ansah pick up
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhiCelek87 wrote:
Think Ansah's a reach even if blows up at the combine. Don't think enough is done here to address the offensive line.

If Peters doesn't come back - we're in trouble - need to take a offensive tackle by round 2 at the latest (or sign a free agent at that spot).


The OL thing is overblown, we lost 3 starters along the OL, take that off any OL and they will suck. We need depth and prospects we can groom. Jake Scott is a solid starter, as is Evan Mathis. Kelce is a solid center in the NFL, Caldwell is a solid backup, Danny Watkins is here no matter what as his contract is guarenteed, Dennis Kelly looks like a solid RT prospect, and Reid Fragel has the upside and talent to be a future LT in the NFL.

If Peters gets hurt, Herremans has shown he can be solid as a LT, Mathis, Scott, and Kelce are still on the inside, and Kelly can play the RT spot. Say Kelce gets hurt, Peters-Mathis-Caldwell-Scott-Herremans is still a strong OL. The depth and talent is there IMO.
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nlesthought wrote:
Maybe you should start somehow highlight the differences between your mocks...

I'll post more when I get a chance to really dive into it.


The only thing that didn't change was the staff, free agents (as I think those are the way to go) and the Wreh-Wilson and Fragel pick. Outside of that its different prospects.

Byrd won't get out of Buffalo, so I went Moore, thats why it didn't change. We need to improve the ST, so McKelvin is a fit, Leinart knows the system, as do Caldwell and Anderson on their respective sides of the football.
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EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
PhiCelek87 wrote:
Think Ansah's a reach even if blows up at the combine. Don't think enough is done here to address the offensive line.

If Peters doesn't come back - we're in trouble - need to take a offensive tackle by round 2 at the latest (or sign a free agent at that spot).


The OL thing is overblown, we lost 3 starters along the OL, take that off any OL and they will suck. We need depth and prospects we can groom. Jake Scott is a solid starter, as is Evan Mathis. Kelce is a solid center in the NFL, Caldwell is a solid backup, Danny Watkins is here no matter what as his contract is guarenteed, Dennis Kelly looks like a solid RT prospect, and Reid Fragel has the upside and talent to be a future LT in the NFL.

If Peters gets hurt, Herremans has shown he can be solid as a LT, Mathis, Scott, and Kelce are still on the inside, and Kelly can play the RT spot. Say Kelce gets hurt, Peters-Mathis-Caldwell-Scott-Herremans is still a strong OL. The depth and talent is there IMO.


I will respectfully disagree...

Remember, Scott was not going to play this year unless the proper opportunity presented itself, which I.E. was the opportunity to play under Howard Mudd. Not sure he's back with a different OL system in place.

Do not want Herremans at left tackle and much prefer to move him inside. He was not having his best at RT before he go hurt.

I think we are exponentially better on offense if we line up Peters-Herremans-Kelce-Mathis-Joeckel. Plus, then if Peters is unable to come back, Joeckel slides right over to left tackle and our bookends are still solid.
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PhiCelek87 wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
PhiCelek87 wrote:
Think Ansah's a reach even if blows up at the combine. Don't think enough is done here to address the offensive line.

If Peters doesn't come back - we're in trouble - need to take a offensive tackle by round 2 at the latest (or sign a free agent at that spot).


The OL thing is overblown, we lost 3 starters along the OL, take that off any OL and they will suck. We need depth and prospects we can groom. Jake Scott is a solid starter, as is Evan Mathis. Kelce is a solid center in the NFL, Caldwell is a solid backup, Danny Watkins is here no matter what as his contract is guarenteed, Dennis Kelly looks like a solid RT prospect, and Reid Fragel has the upside and talent to be a future LT in the NFL.

If Peters gets hurt, Herremans has shown he can be solid as a LT, Mathis, Scott, and Kelce are still on the inside, and Kelly can play the RT spot. Say Kelce gets hurt, Peters-Mathis-Caldwell-Scott-Herremans is still a strong OL. The depth and talent is there IMO.


I will respectfully disagree...

Its okay, you have the right to be wrong Laughing but in all seriousness I can see why some are concerned, I just disagree.

Remember, Scott was not going to play this year unless the proper opportunity presented itself, which I.E. was the opportunity to play under Howard Mudd. Not sure he's back with a different OL system in place.

Scott also had a strong season in Tennessee last season, whose OL Coach, Bruce Matthews, is from the same coaching tree as Dennison. He fits the scheme and has played well in it very recently.

Do not want Herremans at left tackle and much prefer to move him inside. He was not having his best at RT before he go hurt.

He was good on the left side in spot duty. In addition he was good two seasons ago, and he had Michael "Lets hold the football for 8 seconds every dropback" Vick as his QB.

I think we are exponentially better on offense if we line up Peters-Herremans-Kelce-Mathis-Joeckel. Plus, then if Peters is unable to come back, Joeckel slides right over to left tackle and our bookends are still solid.


Maybe so, but Foles getting the football out quickly along with his pocket presence will help the OL a lot, and already has this season.
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I really love the draft.......Ansah and Short will make our D-line ridiculous....Wreh-Wilson is solid...Love Fauria...Rambo I like...and I have a huge mancrush on Patton, though I don't think he'll last to the third round...


FA is alright....a bit too many players....But I like Knighton and Moore.

The only bad thing is that you basically just added two backups to our oline and resigned a 31 (or so) year old guard...

I realize that injuries killed our line....but we can't just assume all three guys will come back fully healthy and back in their true form....Our line would probably be alright in 2013 with this offseason, but we'd need to replace Mathis and Scott the next year...they're both 30+ years old....other than Kelce, our line is pretty damn old. They can't play forever...
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Also why would Detroit give up that much to get Joeckel when they just took Riley Reiff in the first round (who is very good)?
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baconrad3 wrote:
I really love the draft.......Ansah and Short will make our D-line ridiculous....Wreh-Wilson is solid...Love Fauria...Rambo I like...and I have a huge mancrush on Patton, though I don't think he'll last to the third round...


FA is alright....a bit too many players....But I like Knighton and Moore.

The only bad thing is that you basically just added two backups to our oline and resigned a 31 (or so) year old guard...

I realize that injuries killed our line....but we can't just assume all three guys will come back fully healthy and back in their true form....Our line would probably be alright in 2013 with this offseason, but we'd need to replace Mathis and Scott the next year...they're both 30+ years old....other than Kelce, our line is pretty damn old. They can't play forever...


I didn't bring in Knighton. We have young tackles brought in to develop for the future, and Caldwell can play anywhere in the interior, and Danny Watkins will take one of those spots since we will eat money cutting him.

Also, it works trade value wise and Reiff is best as a RT IMO and Cherulis has been a bust. Joeckel-Reiff would be a very nice tackle duo to build around.
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EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
baconrad3 wrote:
I really love the draft.......Ansah and Short will make our D-line ridiculous....Wreh-Wilson is solid...Love Fauria...Rambo I like...and I have a huge mancrush on Patton, though I don't think he'll last to the third round...


FA is alright....a bit too many players....But I like Knighton and Moore.

The only bad thing is that you basically just added two backups to our oline and resigned a 31 (or so) year old guard...

I realize that injuries killed our line....but we can't just assume all three guys will come back fully healthy and back in their true form....Our line would probably be alright in 2013 with this offseason, but we'd need to replace Mathis and Scott the next year...they're both 30+ years old....other than Kelce, our line is pretty damn old. They can't play forever...


I didn't bring in Knighton. We have young tackles brought in to develop for the future, and Caldwell can play anywhere in the interior, and Danny Watkins will take one of those spots since we will eat money cutting him.

Also, it works trade value wise and Reiff is best as a RT IMO and Cherulis has been a bust. Joeckel-Reiff would be a very nice tackle duo to build around.


Whoops Idk why I said Knighton....

And oh yeah what tackles might those be? Dennis Kelly and some late rounder?

If Scott doesn't resign...who's our starting guard next to Mathis? Herremans? Then who's the RT? We have NO depth. If we have any injuries again next year, we are screwed if this is our offseason. Just saying. I think we would be OK as long as we don't have any significant injuries...but we need to get someone earlier....at least someone like Aboushi or Brennan Williams in the 3rd...or Nixon or Hurst.....Or if you want a guard, Uzzie from GT......

I just don't see Detroit making that trade.

As much as everyone (including myself) wants to trade back and get all these extra picks...It just isn't that simple and I don't see it happening. Why give up so much for Joeckel when you're sitting in the top 10 when you have Lewan? Or even Matthews....Detroit could easily sit at #7 and let Joeckel fall to if we don't take him.....Tennesse and Carolina aren't gonna take him. Only way is if SD is in front of him and they are so scared of losing Joeckel that they HAVE to trade up. But either way I don't see them taking an LT first. They're OK at Oline. Reiff has been great at LT idk why you say he's better on the right
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baconrad3 wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
baconrad3 wrote:
I really love the draft.......Ansah and Short will make our D-line ridiculous....Wreh-Wilson is solid...Love Fauria...Rambo I like...and I have a huge mancrush on Patton, though I don't think he'll last to the third round...


FA is alright....a bit too many players....But I like Knighton and Moore.

The only bad thing is that you basically just added two backups to our oline and resigned a 31 (or so) year old guard...

I realize that injuries killed our line....but we can't just assume all three guys will come back fully healthy and back in their true form....Our line would probably be alright in 2013 with this offseason, but we'd need to replace Mathis and Scott the next year...they're both 30+ years old....other than Kelce, our line is pretty damn old. They can't play forever...


I didn't bring in Knighton. We have young tackles brought in to develop for the future, and Caldwell can play anywhere in the interior, and Danny Watkins will take one of those spots since we will eat money cutting him.

Also, it works trade value wise and Reiff is best as a RT IMO and Cherulis has been a bust. Joeckel-Reiff would be a very nice tackle duo to build around.


Whoops Idk why I said Knighton....

And oh yeah what tackles might those be? Dennis Kelly and some late rounder?

Jason Peters wasn't a high pick, nor was Jermon Bushrod, nor Jared Veldheer, Will Svitek, Donald Penn, and Jared Gaither have all been successful at LT and weren't high picks. In addition, Kelly was a late rounder as well. Fragel is a long, athletic, high upside tackle who can be a successful NFL LT with coaching.

If Scott doesn't resign...who's our starting guard next to Mathis? Herremans? Then who's the RT? We have NO depth. If we have any injuries again next year, we are screwed if this is our offseason. Just saying. I think we would be OK as long as we don't have any significant injuries...but we need to get someone earlier....at least someone like Aboushi or Brennan Williams in the 3rd...or Nixon or Hurst.....Or if you want a guard, Uzzie from GT......

Except I have us re-signing Scott, so its moot here. And no depth? Caldwell can play all 3 interior spots, Watkins has started, as has Caldwell, and Kelly who has looked solid and promising at RT this season behind Herremans. Behind Peters you have a high upside former tight end turned tackle with NFL length and athletic ability for the position, add some weight and get him to work with an NFL OL coach and let him mold him for a year.

I just don't see Detroit making that trade.

Maybe, maybe not, I think Reiff would be better as a RT, and thats not a slight on his ability, but moreso an opinion on his playing style (reminiscent of Bryan Bulaga). He could be a good RT, or you could have an elite LT-RT going forward.

As much as everyone (including myself) wants to trade back and get all these extra picks...It just isn't that simple and I don't see it happening. Why give up so much for Joeckel when you're sitting in the top 10 when you have Lewan? Or even Matthews....Detroit could easily sit at #7 and let Joeckel fall to if we don't take him.....Tennesse and Carolina aren't gonna take him. Only way is if SD is in front of him and they are so scared of losing Joeckel that they HAVE to trade up. But either way I don't see them taking an LT first. They're OK at Oline. Reiff has been great at LT idk why you say he's better on the right


Lewan isn't pro ready, and Joeckel is a better prospect than either. Stafford has still been hit a lot, so you have to improve the OL play around him. Kicking Reiff to RT and Joeckel to LT makes their offense more dangerous, as you give Stafford more time to chuck it deep to Megatron.
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