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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt79511 wrote:
BigD88 wrote:
I have a bad feeling about this game as well.
However, if the Giants lose to Baltimore then it won't even matter. Our playoff destiny hinges on the Redskins game week 17 as long as the Giants lose one of their final two games.
Correct?


So your hypothetical is this: DAL loses to NO, WAS beats PHI, NY loses to BAL, and DAL beats WAS. Correct?

In that case, no. Dallas and Washington would be tied in overall record (9-7), would have split the head-to-head, and would be tied in division record (4-2). So it comes down to conference record, which would be 6-6 for Dallas and 7-5 for Washington.


In that scenario, we'd still win the division.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt79511 wrote:
BigD88 wrote:
I have a bad feeling about this game as well.
However, if the Giants lose to Baltimore then it won't even matter. Our playoff destiny hinges on the Redskins game week 17 as long as the Giants lose one of their final two games.
Correct?


So your hypothetical is this: DAL loses to NO, WAS beats PHI, NY loses to BAL, and DAL beats WAS. Correct?

In that case, no. Dallas and Washington would be tied in overall record (9-7), would have split the head-to-head, and would be tied in division record (4-2). So it comes down to conference record, which would be 6-6 for Dallas and 7-5 for Washington.


So, to take it one step further...

We would also need for Minnesota and Chicago to lose both of their games. OR, would we beat either of them in a tiebreaker if we were both 9-7?

OOOOOOH THE SCENARIOSSS.....
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaBoys wrote:
We are getting destroyed. This game is over.


oops.. sorry

Just warming up...


Now, that's funny. And people are LYING if they deny thinking it nearly every game.
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matt79511 wrote:
BigD88 wrote:
I have a bad feeling about this game as well.
However, if the Giants lose to Baltimore then it won't even matter. Our playoff destiny hinges on the Redskins game week 17 as long as the Giants lose one of their final two games.
Correct?


So your hypothetical is this: DAL loses to NO, WAS beats PHI, NY loses to BAL, and DAL beats WAS. Correct?

In that case, no. Dallas and Washington would be tied in overall record (9-7), would have split the head-to-head, and would be tied in division record (4-2). So it comes down to conference record, which would be 6-6 for Dallas and 7-5 for Washington.


It goes common opponents, then conference record..
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giants aren't losing to Baltimore, the Ravens are a mess right now on both sides of the ball, I'm not saying its impossible but there's no way we can say "oh this game doesn't matter because the Giants will lose too".

We have to think as if the Giants are going to win out, in which case that means we have too as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waremd wrote:
matt79511 wrote:
BigD88 wrote:
I have a bad feeling about this game as well.
However, if the Giants lose to Baltimore then it won't even matter. Our playoff destiny hinges on the Redskins game week 17 as long as the Giants lose one of their final two games.
Correct?


So your hypothetical is this: DAL loses to NO, WAS beats PHI, NY loses to BAL, and DAL beats WAS. Correct?

In that case, no. Dallas and Washington would be tied in overall record (9-7), would have split the head-to-head, and would be tied in division record (4-2). So it comes down to conference record, which would be 6-6 for Dallas and 7-5 for Washington.


It goes common opponents, then conference record..


... oh. Ok. Nevermind, then.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not as worried about the Saints as I am the Redskins. I can see the Cowboys handling the Saints and falling flat in Washington.. Sad
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waremd wrote:
matt79511 wrote:
BigD88 wrote:
I have a bad feeling about this game as well.
However, if the Giants lose to Baltimore then it won't even matter. Our playoff destiny hinges on the Redskins game week 17 as long as the Giants lose one of their final two games.
Correct?


So your hypothetical is this: DAL loses to NO, WAS beats PHI, NY loses to BAL, and DAL beats WAS. Correct?

In that case, no. Dallas and Washington would be tied in overall record (9-7), would have split the head-to-head, and would be tied in division record (4-2). So it comes down to conference record, which would be 6-6 for Dallas and 7-5 for Washington.


It goes common opponents, then conference record..


http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

You are correct Waremd. For teams within a division, whether it is for the division or wildcard, they go in this order:

1. Head to head
2. Division Record
3. Common opponent record
4. Conference record.

For teams in different divisions, it goes:

1.Head-to-head, if applicable.
2.Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3.Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys.

If Dallas wins out. We deserve to be in the playoffs. As simple as that.

If we cant beat the Saints and the Redskins how can we expect ourselves to do anything in the playoffs against the Packers or The Seahawks in the first round ?
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Guys.

If Dallas wins out. We deserve to be in the playoffs. As simple as that.

If we cant beat the Saints and the Redskins how can we expect ourselves to do anything in the playoffs against the Packers or The Seahawks in the first round ?

If we win out we're a lock for the playoffs
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This game does matter, regardless!! We play before the Giants do on Sunday. Take home the victory and not worry about what the Giants do. It's as simple as that!!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we lose to NO, if was beats philly and NYG lose to baltimore..THEN

We beat Washington...who wins the division?
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dcfan4real wrote:
If we lose to NO, if was beats philly and NYG lose to baltimore..THEN

We beat Washington...who wins the division?
depends on week 17, in your scenario.

In your scenario, Giants are eliminated from playoffs. Washington would be up by one game. It comes down to Week 17 Cowboys @ Washington. We win, we get Division by virtue of tie breakers. Washington Wins, they win Division out right.
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Saints injury report:

TE Graham - FP - Wrist
FB Collins - DNP - Knee/Toe
RB Ivory - LP - Hamstring
CB Robinson - LP - Groin
OT Strief - DNP - Ankle
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

canadaluvsdalla wrote:
Guys.

If Dallas wins out. We deserve to be in the playoffs. As simple as that.

If we cant beat the Saints and the Redskins how can we expect ourselves to do anything in the playoffs against the Packers or The Seahawks in the first round ?


Just clarified that the scenarios. Didn't say I was looking forward to losing to the Saints, and then beating Washington, and sneaking into the playoffs.
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