Why is our Offense not the NFC's New England?

tooltrip · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 69

I work in a sports office in Vegas and watch almost every NFL game all year. I have a pretty good handle on all 32 rosters and GB+NE are very similar:

over the past few seasons:
HOF QB's (push)
below avg RB's (edge to NE)
elite WR's/TE's (edge to GB)
below avg OL (when healthy edge to GB)
-also similar playcalling styles with multiple spread/bunch formations that stress spreading you out and letting your elite QB pick them apart.

Yet, when you watch the teams play...NE just breezes up and down the field. Any time they need 9-12 yards its an easy completion over the middle. When Brady has it 3rd and 6 you feel so confident that they convert it, but for Rodgers its always 50-50. It just feels like its way harder than it needs to be. Where are the easy releases for cobb/jennings over the middle? Why cant we use Finley like Hernandez?
NE has these route combinations that create guys running WIDE OPEN and Rodgers is always forcing it into the tight window.

The loss was on the D but our "elite" offense certainly didn't help. When the game went 7-7 and we were about to take our first offensive snaps with 6m in the first Q, I wasn't cheering for points. I was cheering for 2-3 first downs, some rest for a D that had already played 20 snaps. Instead we go 3 and out. Same thing to start the 2h. D played well in the 3rd and offense generates 3 points...what gives Mac?

Why can't Mac study NE tape and mold our O to what's had huge success for 3+ seasons? We have the same talent. What is our offensive identity? The back-shoulder pass? did we even throw any vs SF?

Frustrated die-hard GB fan,
Jordan

PS, fire Dom Capers. There's a difference between losing the game and giving up historic yardage/point totals.

Packerraymond · Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 11826 Location: UW Oshkosh

There is no comparison to New England's OL and Green Bay's. Vollmer and Solder are excellent OT's. I'd take both over Bulaga easily. Then they had Koppen at center for awhile and our guards are better, but not noticeably. Brady always has a lot of time to make decisions in the pocket.
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Pugger · Joined: 01 May 2010 Posts: 4335 Location: N. Fort Myers, FL

I truly believe injuries and having guys in and out of the lineup hurt our production at times and it was magnified in the SF game. It isn't easy to have good chemistry when Jennings and Nelson miss multiple games. I don't think we had both of them in the lineup at the same time very often at all. Our O line had issues. How many times did we have to reshuffle the guys when our center got old overnight or when we lost our RT? We also had a revolving door at RB. It is difficult to have consistency with all of that going on. I don't know what kind of injury issues NE had besides their TE. If their O line was intact all season that can make a difference too.
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Kampman74 · Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 5576

spilltray · Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 8651 Location: Green Bay, WI

New England has their days or seasons where the offense just hasn't clicked. It's a constant shifting process but Green Bay is in that class offensively.
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Kampman74 · Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 5576

PackFan4Life · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 3530 Location: De Pere, WI

Green Bay's offense sets records last year and this year it is just not setting records. Green Bay had no problem "breezing" up and down the field last year. This year they battles a total lack of continuity due to injuries. If you keep this same offense relatively healthy, it returns to setting records. New England really does not have anything over Green Bay except on the o-line. I think the oline for the Pack will actually be a strength next year as well if it is healthy.

Packerraymond · Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 11826 Location: UW Oshkosh

Pugger · Joined: 01 May 2010 Posts: 4335 Location: N. Fort Myers, FL

If you look at this year's D compared to last year's D I can see a lot of improvement. It isn't like TT will have to spend all but 2 picks on D this go-around. We just need a little more speed at LB and a disruptive force on the line and a safety. That and getting our injured guys back will make a world of difference in 2013.
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nfldraftguru1 · Joined: 07 Feb 2009 Posts: 8039 Location: eau claire, wi

The OLs is the difference. The OT in NE are very very good, while GB couldn't buy a break up front.
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gizmo2012 · Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 2342

{Family Ghost} · Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Posts: 1026

I think the biggest difference between NE and GB's offense this year was commitment to the run. BB surprised people and shifted to more of a balanced attack. Teams can't sit back in cover two against them all day like they can the Packers. MM went the other direction, and got even more pass happy. MM would be wise to study what BB did this year, and then try to implement some of it.

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persiandud · Joined: 08 Oct 2011 Posts: 553 Location: Davis, CA

persiandud · Joined: 08 Oct 2011 Posts: 553 Location: Davis, CA

Can't compare NE to GB. They have a stud running back and a better OL. They basically do whatever they want to teams. Not to mention their no-huddle tempo is perfect.

If GB wants to emulate NE's offense, i'm all for it. As long as we get the pieces (upgrade OL, find a stud RB).