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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoj398 wrote:
who said anything about giving up? the guy is on a team that has no one at the receivers position and he cant make an impact, he cant over take Steve Smith really?
He clearly has overtaken Steve Smith (the guy who isnt dressing out most games). He just isnt a big part of the offense due to not having the playbook down.


Its about time for all these Overreactions to come out in this forum, hence this thread and the other one thats full of asinine things. This usually happens about week 10 around here, but since we hung on a bit longer this year, it took till week 15
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StLunatic88 wrote:
Hoj398 wrote:
who said anything about giving up? the guy is on a team that has no one at the receivers position and he cant make an impact, he cant over take Steve Smith really?
He clearly has overtaken Steve Smith (the guy who isnt dressing out most games). He just isnt a big part of the offense due to not having the playbook down.


Its about time for all these Overreactions to come out in this forum, hence this thread and the other one thats full of asinine things. This usually happens about week 10 around here, but since we hung on a bit longer this year, it took till week 15


The other thread is labeled as controversal. Its clearly a warning to those who are offended by such things to not enter. Easy to not click on a thread if it offends you.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In college most of the time they don't even have a OC..

Like Occidental a few years back, there HC was there Oline-WR-RB Coach.

So it's all in weird content Laughing


Occidental has a beautiful turf field. It's D2 or D3 I don't remember.


Oxy is a D3. They used to be a powerhouse and now they are trash.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The other thread is labeled as controversal. Its clearly a warning to those who are offended by such things to not enter. Easy to not click on a thread if it offends you.
Controversial and Preposterous are not the same thing.

A controversial opinion needs some evidence to back it up, just blurting hair-brained thoughts out because you are mad doesnt make it controversial, it makes them absurd.

The "how much does Steven Jackson have left" conversation can be controversial, Saying we should take a later round QB to push Sam (which is a myth) is a controversial idea, but an understandable and worthy debate. Even saying we paid too much for a Center, and he isnt going to live up to that investment is controversial, but aleast a sane one. Things like Long, Quinn, JL, Finnegan, & Zeurlein arent good, those arent controversial, they are absurd.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StLunatic88 wrote:
Flatlyner wrote:
The other thread is labeled as controversal. Its clearly a warning to those who are offended by such things to not enter. Easy to not click on a thread if it offends you.
Controversial and Preposterous are not the same thing.

A controversial opinion needs some evidence to back it up, just blurting hair-brained thoughts out because you are mad doesnt make it controversial, it makes them absurd.

The "how much does Steven Jackson have left" conversation can be controversial, Saying we should take a later round QB to push Sam (which is a myth) is a controversial idea, but an understandable and worthy debate. Even saying we paid too much for a Center, and he isnt going to live up to that investment is controversial, but aleast a sane one. Things like Long, Quinn, JL, Finnegan, & Zeurlein arent good, those arent controversial, they are absurd.


No, those would be labeled as your opinion, which does not make them facts. Nor do peoples opinions in that thread make them facts.

That thread reflects opinions of Rams fans and that is it. Everyone is entitled to thier opinions, as you have certainly expressed yours. Just as everyones opinions are not going to be mirrors of one anothers, which you seem to want.

Just no idea why you bring up another thread in this thread to bash it. Its for fun as our team is providing very little of that at the moment.

Again though, its really easy to not click or participate in a thread if you feel is "absurd". Thats akin to a vegetarian saying how awful his steak is, while continuing to eat it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And did they not know this before they drafted him? If I'm not mistaken [every receiver takin ahead of him or after him has had more PT than him.


You are mistaken. AJ Jenkins might not have even played a down for 49ers, and he was a 1st round pick. However, I do certainly believe Quick should be seeing significant playing time in the next 2 games.

Still wish we would have taken Jeffery with the pick.


as of right now quick wasn't worth the pick and neither is Jeffery they both has similar stats. with quick "playing" 5 more games.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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StLunatic88 wrote:
Flatlyner wrote:
The other thread is labeled as controversal. Its clearly a warning to those who are offended by such things to not enter. Easy to not click on a thread if it offends you.
Controversial and Preposterous are not the same thing.

A controversial opinion needs some evidence to back it up, just blurting hair-brained thoughts out because you are mad doesnt make it controversial, it makes them absurd.

The "how much does Steven Jackson have left" conversation can be controversial, Saying we should take a later round QB to push Sam (which is a myth) is a controversial idea, but an understandable and worthy debate. Even saying we paid too much for a Center, and he isnt going to live up to that investment is controversial, but aleast a sane one. Things like Long, Quinn, JL, Finnegan, & Zeurlein arent good, those arent controversial, they are absurd.


No, those would be labeled as your opinion, which does not make them facts. Nor do peoples opinions in that thread make them facts.

That thread reflects opinions of Rams fans and that is it. Everyone is entitled to thier opinions, as you have certainly expressed yours. Just as everyones opinions are not going to be mirrors of one anothers, which you seem to want.

Just no idea why you bring up another thread in this thread to bash it. Its for fun as our team is providing very little of that at the moment.

Again though, its really easy to not click or participate in a thread if you feel is "absurd". Thats akin to a vegetarian saying how awful his steak is, while continuing to eat it.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoj398 wrote:
Flatlyner wrote:
Hoj398 wrote:
And did they not know this before they drafted him? If I'm not mistaken [every receiver takin ahead of him or after him has had more PT than him.


You are mistaken. AJ Jenkins might not have even played a down for 49ers, and he was a 1st round pick. However, I do certainly believe Quick should be seeing significant playing time in the next 2 games.

Still wish we would have taken Jeffery with the pick.


as of right now quick wasn't worth the pick and neither is Jeffery they both has similar stats. with quick "playing" 5 more games.


You do know Jeffery broke his hand right?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This applies to Quick and every pick that NFL teams make, the draft is for the future and if the picks have an immediate impact that is just a plus. Everyone expects every pick to be an immediate impact, if they don't they are a bust.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoj398 wrote:
jjab360 wrote:
Hoj398 wrote:
holt_bruce81 wrote:
For someone who never worked with a receivers coach in college, everyone knew it would take him awhile.


Well your claim of him not having a WR coach is false.

It's not. Brian Quick stated in an interview that he did not have a position coach in college.


well the college website says other wise.


This was pretty much the buzz about him when he was drafted... that he was going to be a huge project because during his tryout/pro day (can't remember exactly) he was actually being taught things.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StLunatic88 wrote:
Flatlyner wrote:
The other thread is labeled as controversal. Its clearly a warning to those who are offended by such things to not enter. Easy to not click on a thread if it offends you.
Controversial and Preposterous are not the same thing.

A controversial opinion needs some evidence to back it up, just blurting hair-brained thoughts out because you are mad doesnt make it controversial, it makes them absurd.

The "how much does Steven Jackson have left" conversation can be controversial, Saying we should take a later round QB to push Sam (which is a myth) is a controversial idea, but an understandable and worthy debate. Even saying we paid too much for a Center, and he isnt going to live up to that investment is controversial, but aleast a sane one. Things like Long, Quinn, JL, Finnegan, & Zeurlein arent good, those arent controversial, they are absurd.


So you are saying that the fear of losing one's job is no longer considered a motivator? Or perhaps your suggesting that competition does not breed growth? Either way, that statement is preposterous.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming from a small school its not surprising there has been some growing pains for Quick as he adjusts to the volume of an NFL play book and the speed of the game.

That being said, IMO the Rams can be criticized for taking what essentially has turned into a project player at the top of the second round. Coming within one game of the big dance, the 49ers can afford to have a high draft pick go through the equivalent of a red shirt rookie season, the Rams coming off 2-14 didn't have that luxury.

For record I like the kid and his potenital and I won't fault Snead and company for drafting him. However, based on production its apparent they took him higher than they should have.
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The J.R.S. wrote:
StLunatic88 wrote:
Flatlyner wrote:
The other thread is labeled as controversal. Its clearly a warning to those who are offended by such things to not enter. Easy to not click on a thread if it offends you.
Controversial and Preposterous are not the same thing.

A controversial opinion needs some evidence to back it up, just blurting hair-brained thoughts out because you are mad doesnt make it controversial, it makes them absurd.

The "how much does Steven Jackson have left" conversation can be controversial, Saying we should take a later round QB to push Sam (which is a myth) is a controversial idea, but an understandable and worthy debate. Even saying we paid too much for a Center, and he isnt going to live up to that investment is controversial, but aleast a sane one. Things like Long, Quinn, JL, Finnegan, & Zeurlein arent good, those arent controversial, they are absurd.


So you are saying that the fear of losing one's job is no longer considered a motivator? Or perhaps your suggesting that competition does not breed growth? Either way, that statement is preposterous.


Taking a rookie in the 3rd round is not going to make Sam fear for losing his job. He would be a 4th year starter that is at the very least a slightly below average starter. There isn't a mid-round QB in this years draft that will be able to come in and outperform Sam.
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The J.R.S. wrote:
So you are saying that the fear of losing one's job is no longer considered a motivator? Or perhaps your suggesting that competition does not breed growth? Either way, that statement is preposterous.


Don't think he was highlighting any of this at all. I think he was pointing out that your suggestion of drafting a mid round rookie QB to come in and challenge Sam next season doesn't make sense to him. I would have to agree...

A rookie mid round QB, trying to learn a new offense and adjust to the NFL game speed. A FO, who has already stated and shown that they believe Bradford is their "franchise "guy and are committed to him.

Don't see how that would really alter anything...
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kgarrett12486 wrote:
The J.R.S. wrote:
So you are saying that the fear of losing one's job is no longer considered a motivator? Or perhaps your suggesting that competition does not breed growth? Either way, that statement is preposterous.


Don't think he was highlighting any of this at all. I think he was pointing out that your suggestion of drafting a mid round rookie QB to come in and challenge Sam next season doesn't make sense to him. I would have to agree...

A rookie mid round QB, trying to learn a new offense and adjust to the NFL game speed. A FO, who has already stated and shown that they believe Bradford is their "franchise "guy and are committed to him.

Don't see how that would really alter anything...


There are several reasons it makes sense to me:

1)If Bradford doesn't improve his game, we will want a QB that is ready to start at the beginning of the 2015 season. Drafting one now gives us the ability to develop that guy before Sam's contract expires.

2)If the right mid-round prospect is selected, and he is good at playing football, then Bradford will be challenged by his good play. As opposed to being comfortable knowing that there is no one wit skill behind him on the depth chart.

3)If Sam gets injured, having a good QB come in for him could potentially save a playoff run for this team, as early as next year.

4)We have extra draft selections this year, and for the first time in many years, I can count the holes on our roster on one hand, making this an opportune time.
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