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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The other thing I didn't get was letting Roy miller walk either. He was a quality DT next to McCoy and him and Gibson could have rotated and all we needed was an UT that can rotate and rush the qb.


Stop about Roy Miller, he is just another guy. I don't love his 1 1/2 career sacks. He played well at NT for one year, not great. Roy Miller can be replaced, I'm sorry he seemed like a good guy, but he is a marginal defensive linemen. McCoy made him a better player, not vice versa.


Think you're undervaluing miller. He also took on some double teams as well. While he wasn't the best pass rusher he did a lot of work that would free up McCoy in one on ones.

I didn't get the point of not retaining him for a decent value.
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ravishingone wrote:
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The other thing I didn't get was letting Roy miller walk either. He was a quality DT next to McCoy and him and Gibson could have rotated and all we needed was an UT that can rotate and rush the qb.


Stop about Roy Miller, he is just another guy. I don't love his 1 1/2 career sacks. He played well at NT for one year, not great. Roy Miller can be replaced, I'm sorry he seemed like a good guy, but he is a marginal defensive linemen. McCoy made him a better player, not vice versa.


Think you're undervaluing miller. He also took on some double teams as well. While he wasn't the best pass rusher he did a lot of work that would free up McCoy in one on ones.

I didn't get the point of not retaining him for a decent value.


He was so valued by the rest of the league he got a two year deal from the Jags. It was his job description to take on double teams. I guarantee you when teams were passing with Miller and McCoy in the game together, the line slid to McCoy's side to double team him. Miller is just another guy. He was okay last year which was ironically a contract year, but was pushed around at NT the previous years. I would give a lot more credit to the rush defense being improved by the play of Bennett, McCoy, and David more so then Miller.

Its pretty simple why the Bucs didn't resign Miller even though he would have been cheap. It is pretty obvious they don't want to dress anymore then 4 DTs on game day. They seem much more inclined to drop a DE inside on passing downs. In my opinion, there was no need to have both Gibson and Miller on the roster. They both offered pretty much the same ability. Looks like the organization preferred Gibson.
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ravishingone wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
ravishingone wrote:
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The other thing I didn't get was letting Roy miller walk either. He was a quality DT next to McCoy and him and Gibson could have rotated and all we needed was an UT that can rotate and rush the qb.


Stop about Roy Miller, he is just another guy. I don't love his 1 1/2 career sacks. He played well at NT for one year, not great. Roy Miller can be replaced, I'm sorry he seemed like a good guy, but he is a marginal defensive linemen. McCoy made him a better player, not vice versa.


Think you're undervaluing miller. He also took on some double teams as well. While he wasn't the best pass rusher he did a lot of work that would free up McCoy in one on ones.

I didn't get the point of not retaining him for a decent value.


He was so valued by the rest of the league he got a two year deal from the Jags. It was his job description to take on double teams. I guarantee you when teams were passing with Miller and McCoy in the game together, the line slid to McCoy's side to double team him. Miller is just another guy. He was okay last year which was ironically a contract year, but was pushed around at NT the previous years. I would give a lot more credit to the rush defense being improved by the play of Bennett, McCoy, and David more so then Miller.

Its pretty simple why the Bucs didn't resign Miller even though he would have been cheap. It is pretty obvious they don't want to dress anymore then 4 DTs on game day. They seem much more inclined to drop a DE inside on passing downs. In my opinion, there was no need to have both Gibson and Miller on the roster. They both offered pretty much the same ability. Looks like the organization preferred Gibson.


Either that or they go 3 down lineman like they did many times last year that generated zero pass rush.
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Roy Miller didn't do too much before Schiano, Bucs don't ask a ton out their NT, he's a two down player, Gibson showed he could do the same job when playing and interested in Landri probably don't see dropoff there.
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Roy Miller didn't do too much before Schiano, Bucs don't ask a ton out their NT, he's a two down player, Gibson showed he could do the same job when playing and interested in Landri probably don't see dropoff there.


True, but for what Miller got on the market, he was still a quality run stopper. We still need to get a DT that can come in rotation and rush the passer, and also a DE because both guys are unproven DEs. I still think our problem was depth. No one could really come in and spell McCoy as a pass rusher last year.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
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Roy Miller didn't do too much before Schiano, Bucs don't ask a ton out their NT, he's a two down player, Gibson showed he could do the same job when playing and interested in Landri probably don't see dropoff there.


True, but for what Miller got on the market, he was still a quality run stopper. We still need to get a DT that can come in rotation and rush the passer, and also a DE because both guys are unproven DEs. I still think our problem was depth. No one could really come in and spell McCoy as a pass rusher last year.

true, i mean is it risk? sure because you're losing a guy who is a solid run stopper for a guy making less who you think can do the same. But if Landri/Gibson are good, there's no room for miller. But agreed, I'd like to add one more DT who can get some pressure. I wouldn't call our DEs totally unproven, I think both can play, just more unproven they can stay healthy.
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https://twitter.com/TonyPauline/status/322730659124756481

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Vinston Painter/G/Va Tech visits: Tampa Bay Bucs, Detroit Lions, NY Giants, Denver Broncos, SD Chargers, Jax Jaguars & Cincinnati Bengals.

Another RT prospect with long arms. Painter finally got a chance to start this season and he had some impressive moments. He has some quick feet and he has really generated a good amount of buzz this offseason. He could serve as valuable depth/competition for Dotson.
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The Bucs local pro day was this past Friday. Below are the prospects that were in attendance.

Brynn Harvey, RB, UCF
Cass Couey, P, Citadel
Cory Grissom, DT, USF
Danous Estenor, OG, USF
Demetris Murray, RB, USF
George Baker, CB, USF
Jon Lejiste, SS, USF
Justin Bell, CB, Eastern Kentucky
Kayvon Webster, CB, USF
Lindsay Lamar, WR/RB, USF
Mark Popek, OT, USF
Orhian Johnson, FS/SS, Ohio State
Robert Marve, QB, Purdue
Ryan Aplin, QB, Arkansas State
Sam Barrington, LB, USF
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https://twitter.com/CoachDavidGibbs/status/326476809212424192

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Enjoyed watching @_Go_DJ_ Hayden workout this morning.DB coaches from Jets,Saints,49ers&Bucs putting him thru drills.#1stRound#GoCoogs

DJ Hayden had his own private workout in Houston yesterday. While Darrelle Revis was holding a press conference at OBP, we sent our DB coaches down to Houston to put Hayden through the workout. Revis is a tremendous asset, but our CB situation is bad enough that we may opt to address the position again early in the draft.

Hayden may be the hottest prospect leading up to the draft. He suffered a freak injury that is normally fatal last season during a practice, but now that he has been given a clean bill of health it seems that nearly every draft pundit is on his bandwagon. At this point we would need to trade up for him. With Revis in the fold would we really do that? I wouldn't bet against it.
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QB:
1. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
2. Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
3. Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas
4. Mike Glennon, QB, NC State
5. EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State
6. Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
7. Matt Barkley, QB, Southern Cal
8. Zac Dysert, QB, Miami Ohio
9. Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
10. Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma

RB:
1. Giovanni Bernard, RB, UNC
2. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
3. Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
4. Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
5. Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
6. Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
7. Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin
8. Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
9. Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma State
10. Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford

WR:
1. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
2. Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
3. Deandre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
4. Keenan Allen, WR, California
5. Cordarrelle Peterson, WR, Tennessee
6. Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
7. Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State
8. Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor
9. DaRick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech
10. Robert Woods, WR, Southern Cal
11. Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia
12. Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
13. Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas
14. Josh Boyce, WR, TCU
15. Ryan Swope, WR, Texas A&M

TE:
1. Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
2. Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
3. Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State
4. Joran Reed, TE, Florida
5. Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati
6. Vance McDonald, TE, Rice
7. Chirs Gragg, TE, Arkansas
8. Ryan Otten, TE, San Jose State
9. Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State
10. Joseph Fauria, TE, UCLA

Offensive Line:
1. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
2. Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
3. Chance Warmack, G, Alabama
4. Jonathan Cooper, G, UNC
5. Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
6. DJ Fluker, G/RT, Alabama
7. Larry Warford, G, Kentucky
8. Justin Pugh, G/T, Syracuse
9. Menelik Watson, T, Florida State
10. Kyle Long, G/T, Oregon

Defensive End:
1. Ziggy Ansah, DE, BYU
2. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
3. Tank Carradine, DE, FSU
4. Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
5. Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
6. Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
7. Corey Lemonier, DE, Auburn
8. Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
9. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
10. William Gholston, DE, Michigan State

Defensive Tackle:
1. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
2. Sheldon Richardson, DT, Mizzou
3. Shariff Floyd, DT, Florida
4. Sylvester Williams, DT, UNC
5. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
6. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
7. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
8. Brandon Williams, DT, Miss Southern St
9. Johnathan Jenkins, DT, Georgia
10. Montori Hughes, DT, Tennessee-Martin

OLBs:
1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2. KeKe Mingo, OLB, LSU
3. Dion Jordan, OLB/DE, Oregon
4. Khasmeen Greene, LB, Rutgers
5. Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia
6. Sio Moore, OLB, UCONN
7. Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Miss
8. Cornellius Washington, OLB/DE, Georgia
9. Gerald Hodges, OLB, Penn State
10. Trevardo Williams, OLB, UCONN

ILB:
1. Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State
2. Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU
3. Manti Teo, ILB, Notre Dame
4. Jon Bostic, LB, Florida
5. Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon

CB:
1. Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU
2. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
3. Jonathan Banks, CB, Mississippi St
4. Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
5. Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
6. Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
7. Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State
8. DJ Hayden, CB, Houston
9. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Uconn
10. Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
11. Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
12. Robert Alford, CB, SE Louisiana
13. David Amerson, CB, NC State
14. Dwayne Gratz, CB, UCONN
15. Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State

Safety:
1. Kenny Vacarro, S, Texas
2. Jonathan Cyprien, S, FIU
3. DJ Swearinger, S, South Carolina
4. Matt Elam, S, Florida
5. Eric Reid, S, LSU
6. Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia
7. Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse
8. Duke Williams, S, Nevada
9. Josh Evans, S, Florida
10. JJ Wilcox, S, Georgia Southern


here's my rankings, a few thoughts:
-definitely strongest in the trenches in this draft
-deep at WR and corner but no for sure guy worth a top ten pick at either position
-there's talent at the QB position, just a lot of questions. overall poor class, because of the risk - but there will be some starters out of this group
-I wouldn't pick a RB till the mid second at earliest, there's some depth in the RB class but no one really worth a high pick


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Soul Glo wrote:
ILB:
1. Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State
2. Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU
3. Manti Teo, ILB, Notre Dame
4. Jon Bostic, LB, Florida
5. Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon

Defensive Tackle:
1. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
2. Sheldon Richardson, DT, Mizzou
3. Shariff Floyd, DT, Florida
4. Sylvester Williams, DT, UNC
5. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
6. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
7. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
8. Brandon Williams, DT, Miss Southern St
9. Johnathan Jenkins, DT, Georgia
10. Montori Hughes, DT, Tennessee-Martin

CB:
1. Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU
2. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
3. Jonathan Banks, CB, Mississippi St
4. Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
5. Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
6. Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
7. Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State
8. DJ Hayden, CB, Houston
9. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Uconn
10. Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
11. Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
12. Robert Alford, CB, SE Louisiana
13. David Amerson, CB, NC State
14. Dwayne Gratz, CB, UCONN
15. Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State


Thoughts on trading up for either Brown or Williams?

From the looks of your cb rankings you aren't on the Hayden train and wouldn't draft him until the mid 2nd at the earliest?
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deuces22wild wrote:
Soul Glo wrote:
ILB:
1. Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State
2. Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU
3. Manti Teo, ILB, Notre Dame
4. Jon Bostic, LB, Florida
5. Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon

Defensive Tackle:
1. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
2. Sheldon Richardson, DT, Mizzou
3. Shariff Floyd, DT, Florida
4. Sylvester Williams, DT, UNC
5. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
6. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
7. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
8. Brandon Williams, DT, Miss Southern St
9. Johnathan Jenkins, DT, Georgia
10. Montori Hughes, DT, Tennessee-Martin

CB:
1. Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU
2. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
3. Jonathan Banks, CB, Mississippi St
4. Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
5. Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
6. Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
7. Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State
8. DJ Hayden, CB, Houston
9. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Uconn
10. Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
11. Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
12. Robert Alford, CB, SE Louisiana
13. David Amerson, CB, NC State
14. Dwayne Gratz, CB, UCONN
15. Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State


Thoughts on trading up for either Brown or Williams?

From the looks of your cb rankings you aren't on the Hayden train and wouldn't draft him until the mid 2nd at the earliest?

I have the corners ranked 5-10 really closely, I don't think Poyer is going to go as high as I have him ranked. I'd welcome Hayden at 43 overall, but I would't be totally crazy about it.

I like Brown and Williams, I'd rather would trade up for Williams I think he's the better player - Brown is a first half second rounder/possible fourth for me. I think MLB is not as big of a need as DT.
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I like Hayden, but I'd be wary of picking him. Yes he got a clean bill of health, but mentality wise, is he going to be the same player? Is he willing to get physical and go full force?

I admire him for his comeback, but I know if that were me, I'm not sure if I'd be the same player.
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I'm not sure how Robert Woods became so underrated as of late. Would he be a #1, probably not but I think he will excel in the slot and as a #2. I just hope Freeman excels so we can pick BPA next year as I would love to get someone like Marqise Lee.
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I don't watch a lot of college football (blasphemy I know), but how come it always seems like prospects from Alabama have some sort of injury concern:
Milliner: shoulder
Lacy: hamstring/knee
Williams: knee

Richardson and Ingram had concerns too. Same with Barron.

Time heals all wounds but this seems more than coincidence... Think
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