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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So both Walter and DHB have been signed by the Titans and Colts, respectively. Not blockbuster deals or anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning as various posters have tossed around their names as potential late additions to the WR rotation.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sp6488 wrote:
So both Walter and DHB have been signed by the Titans and Colts, respectively. Not blockbuster deals or anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning as various posters have tossed around their names as potential late additions to the WR rotation.


I like DHB to the Colts. Real nice pickup for what they've already got in place IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A redskins fan in the News forum mentioned the possibility of the Skins parting ways with Josh Wilson if they can get Winfield (following their resigning of Hall). How would you guys feel about bringing him in on a cheap 1 year deal, something like 1 year/$1.5M. Obviously, this is highly predicated on how the market for him would shake out (or if he were to be cut at all), but just an interesting possibility.

Depth Chart of:

Webb
J. Smith
Wilson
Graham
Brown
Asa Jackson

Looking at the depth we have, we're probably better off using our bevy of picks to draft a project corner, but thought I'd throw it out there as I always liked Wilson (former Terp). Also, it would continue Ozzie's trolling of the comp pick system as Wilson might get his final contract leaving for FA after the 2013 season (signed as a cut).
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Is the corner position enough of a concern to spend cap space (or a quality draft pick) on though? I don't see it. I'm just not worried about the position even if Webb doesn't get completely back to form. Even if that's the case, and I don't think it will be considering how early in the season Webb hurt his knee, I'm comfortable with Smith, Graham, and Brown as the main depth and possible short-term starting trio.

Wilson's reported cap space figure for the Ravens doesn't seem to fit either. If you subtract Baltimore's reported salary cap commitment (they don't have Dumervil or Huff added in yet) from their adjusted salary cap of roughly $123,678,000 you get $8,003,155. Then subtract the reported first year cap hits for Dumervil and Huff ($2.5 million and $1.35 million respectively) and that leaves about $4,153,155 (depending on what Baltimore's adjusted cap really is but it should be too different from the figure I previously mentioned) in cap space.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coordinator0 wrote:
Is the corner position enough of a concern to spend cap space (or a quality draft pick) on though? I don't see it. I'm just not worried about the position even if Webb doesn't get completely back to form. Even if that's the case, and I don't think it will be considering how early in the season Webb hurt his knee, I'm comfortable with Smith, Graham, and Brown as the main depth and possible short-term starting trio.

Wilson's reported cap space figure for the Ravens doesn't seem to fit either. If you subtract Baltimore's reported salary cap commitment (they don't have Dumervil or Huff added in yet) from their adjusted salary cap of roughly $123,678,000 you get $8,003,155. Then subtract the reported first year cap hits for Dumervil and Huff ($2.5 million and $1.35 million respectively) and that leaves about $4,153,155 (depending on what Baltimore's adjusted cap really is but it should be too different from the figure I previously mentioned) in cap space.


Corner is a spot that teams can never seem to have enough quality options at, so I would say yes. And with the rule of 51, I can't see signing Wilson having a huge impact on our cap situation. I don't think it's a MUST (signing/drafting another CB), but I think it is somewhere where we could further strengthen our depth.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coordinator0 wrote:
Is the corner position enough of a concern to spend cap space (or a quality draft pick) on though? I don't see it. I'm just not worried about the position even if Webb doesn't get completely back to form. Even if that's the case, and I don't think it will be considering how early in the season Webb hurt his knee, I'm comfortable with Smith, Graham, and Brown as the main depth and possible short-term starting trio.

Wilson's reported cap space figure for the Ravens doesn't seem to fit either. If you subtract Baltimore's reported salary cap commitment (they don't have Dumervil or Huff added in yet) from their adjusted salary cap of roughly $123,678,000 you get $8,003,155. Then subtract the reported first year cap hits for Dumervil and Huff ($2.5 million and $1.35 million respectively) and that leaves about $4,153,155 (depending on what Baltimore's adjusted cap really is but it should be too different from the figure I previously mentioned) in cap space.


Aaron Wilson reported today that Baltimore's cap situation after the Dumervil & Huff signing is that they have 5.38 million in cap space.

As to other points:
A) I'm all for the approach of waiting post-draft to sign a LB'er but would hate to see Dansby or Burnett signed before that point. If they come at the right price pre-draft, I wouldn't be opposed to adding them.
B) I love Josh Wilson, but I just don't think spending any cap on a CB is worth it. We have good depth their already with Webb, Jimmy, Graham, Chykie, Asa, and Chris Johnson. It'd be wasted cap. Especially seeing OT, WR, SS, and ILB as needs.
C) As far as our cap-space goes, I feel like we are in a pretty comfortable spot with 5.38 million. We can be patient until after the draft to scavenge on hungry veterans that might be released.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anubiz wrote:
Aaron Wilson reported today that Baltimore's cap situation after the Dumervil & Huff signing is that they have 5.38 million in cap space.


I know he did, but it doesn't seem to fit with the other data that's out there. What he reported would roughly be how much cap space the Ravens have if you don't factor in the adjusted cap and count Pollard's $2 million in savings now instead after June 1st but that's not how you do it. Some of the other cap-related tweets he's had this offseason seemed to be off too. I wonder where he gets his information since he's also a contributor of the site I linked to earlier (Russel Street Report).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anubiz wrote:
coordinator0 wrote:
Is the corner position enough of a concern to spend cap space (or a quality draft pick) on though? I don't see it. I'm just not worried about the position even if Webb doesn't get completely back to form. Even if that's the case, and I don't think it will be considering how early in the season Webb hurt his knee, I'm comfortable with Smith, Graham, and Brown as the main depth and possible short-term starting trio.

Wilson's reported cap space figure for the Ravens doesn't seem to fit either. If you subtract Baltimore's reported salary cap commitment (they don't have Dumervil or Huff added in yet) from their adjusted salary cap of roughly $123,678,000 you get $8,003,155. Then subtract the reported first year cap hits for Dumervil and Huff ($2.5 million and $1.35 million respectively) and that leaves about $4,153,155 (depending on what Baltimore's adjusted cap really is but it should be too different from the figure I previously mentioned) in cap space.


Aaron Wilson reported today that Baltimore's cap situation after the Dumervil & Huff signing is that they have 5.38 million in cap space.

As to other points:
A) I'm all for the approach of waiting post-draft to sign a LB'er but would hate to see Dansby or Burnett signed before that point. If they come at the right price pre-draft, I wouldn't be opposed to adding them.
B) I love Josh Wilson, but I just don't think spending any cap on a CB is worth it. We have good depth their already with Webb, Jimmy, Graham, Chykie, Asa, and Chris Johnson. It'd be wasted cap. Especially seeing OT, WR, SS, and ILB as needs.
C) As far as our cap-space goes, I feel like we are in a pretty comfortable spot with 5.38 million. We can be patient until after the draft to scavenge on hungry veterans that might be released.


Again, this is all speculation based on the comments of one Skins fan here on FF. I very well could be just thinking about this because I really like Josh Wilson. If I were asked if I wanted to use cap space on a generic veteran corner cut by another team, I'd probably say no, so you guys are probably right. How can you say no to this guy, though?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coordinator0 wrote:
Anubiz wrote:
Aaron Wilson reported today that Baltimore's cap situation after the Dumervil & Huff signing is that they have 5.38 million in cap space.


I know he did, but it doesn't seem to fit with the other data that's out there. What he reported would roughly be how much cap space the Ravens have if you don't factor in the adjusted cap and count Pollard's $2 million in savings now instead after June 1st but that's not how you do it. Some of the other cap-related tweets he's had this offseason seemed to be off too. I wonder where he gets his information since he's also a contributor of the site I linked to earlier (Russel Street Report).

McFarland the cap specialist via that site retweeted Wilson's tweet, so I'm guessing he supports that report.

I don't know. Sad
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Anubiz wrote:
McFarland the cap specialist via that site retweeted Wilson's tweet, so I'm guessing he supports that report.

I don't know. Sad


I follow him too so I didn't see that he retweeted it. My prior calculations didn't factor in the Rule of 51 and when I include that it's closer to $5 million so I'll just go with what Wilson is saying. Laughing That's usually the best bet anyways. McFarland had this tweet the other day too:

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Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap 27 Mar
After Dumervil, and pending full report of Huff terms, Ravens are $5.687M under Cap. Will get $2M more on 6/1. Will need ~$1.25M for rookies


Sigh... There's a reason I dislike math/finance/accounting.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coordinator0 wrote:
Anubiz wrote:
McFarland the cap specialist via that site retweeted Wilson's tweet, so I'm guessing he supports that report.

I don't know. Sad


I follow him too so I didn't see that he retweeted it. My prior calculations didn't factor in the Rule of 51 and when I include that it's closer to $5 million so I'll just go with what Wilson is saying. Laughing That's usually the best bet anyways. McFarland had this tweet the other day too:

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Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap 27 Mar
After Dumervil, and pending full report of Huff terms, Ravens are $5.687M under Cap. Will get $2M more on 6/1. Will need ~$1.25M for rookies


Sigh... There's a reason I dislike math/finance/accounting.


Ahah yeah. I mean, I trust McFarland's calculation, but you are right with both of those tweets it seems a bit suspect. I'm just going to go with the feeling that the Ravens are under the cap around 5 million and feel comfortable with the fact that they can either continue to pursue FA's now or take their usual approach of finding another veteran or two or three or more post-draft to fill holes.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, even with that much cap space left I wouldn't be in favor of the Ravens using any of it on a CB. Like I said before I'm happy with the group they have now. I've got this bad feeling McKinnie is going to be re-signed though. This isn't a good LT draft for where the Ravens are picking and there isn't much else out on the free agent market at that position.

Part of me is intrigued at the idea of signing Andre Smith and flipping Oher back to LT. Then they let Oher walk after next season and address LT in next year's draft or FA class. But the rational part of my brain says that Smith is looking for way too much money and Oher would be a better value if they do decide to re-sign him.
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coordinator0 wrote:
Alright, even with that much cap space left I wouldn't be in favor of the Ravens using any of it on a CB. Like I said before I'm happy with the group they have now. I've got this bad feeling McKinnie is going to be re-signed though. This isn't a good LT draft for where the Ravens are picking and there isn't much else out on the free agent market at that position.

Part of me is intrigued at the idea of signing Andre Smith and flipping Oher back to LT. Then they let Oher walk after next season and address LT in next year's draft or FA class. But the rational part of my brain says that Smith is looking for way too much money and Oher would be a better value if they do decide to re-sign him.


That would be extremely intriguing and maybe with the added intrigue of the fact that he'd get to play his former team twice a year would be added incentive.

Oh btw, in regards to both McFarlands' tweets.

The one he tweeted back on March 27th, he did state that "After Dumervil and PENDING FULL REPORT OF HUFF terms, the Ravens are 5.687 million under the cap"

I don't think he had the full terms yet and those terms were just released today. I'm guessing he might've thought that Huff's cap hit was slightly less than what it actually was?

Not sure 100% but yeah. lol.
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Yeah, I quoted it to support Wilson's tweet and to emphasize my shame. Numbers make me angry. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coordinator0 wrote:
Yeah, I quoted it to support Wilson's tweet and to emphasize my shame. Numbers make me angry. Laughing


lolol. It's okay. *hi5*
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