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Bears54
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 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:07 am Post subject: hmmmm... |
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Anyone for Cam Cameron as our OC????
How much you think we are talking for Sam Baker and Levitre to sign for us????
I could see Baker going for 5 years 30 million.....he isnt someone getting alot of attention and I can see Bills Levitre going for 5 years 35 million.....both guys are not great but they are good....they arent pro bowl guys but they are sure alot better than what we have now. |
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TheGreatZepp
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:45 am Post subject: Re: hmmmm... |
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| Bears54 wrote: | Anyone for Cam Cameron as our OC????
How much you think we are talking for Sam Baker and Levitre to sign for us????
I could see Baker going for 5 years 30 million.....he isnt someone getting alot of attention and I can see Bills Levitre going for 5 years 35 million.....both guys are not great but they are good....they arent pro bowl guys but they are sure alot better than what we have now. |
I think both Baker and Levitre could be good signings for the Bears if the money is right. Infact, that very well may be the best way for them to go, even if an OT is there in the first round, it seems that Carimi (what the heck happened?) is not a good fit on the outside and you never have too many good offensive linemen. The Packers drafted Sherrod and Bulaga in consecutive first rounds and even though injuries have affected their availability, Sherrod is still an unknown commodity at this point and Bulaga's play has plateaued much lower then expected, they need linemen.
Sam Baker has struggled this year but he very well could get it back together and write this off as just a down year. Definitely a guy who seems like he could comfortably get you through a couple seasons.
Cam Cameron? Well the Bears bringing him in would be good for the rest of the division. The instances of head up bum seem to have increased every year since he entered the league and really took off after he left San Diego in 2006. Before getting canned this season it had really got bad in Baltimore.
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Madmike90
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:59 am Post subject: Re: hmmmm... |
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| Bears54 wrote: | Anyone for Cam Cameron as our OC????
How much you think we are talking for Sam Baker and Levitre to sign for us????
I could see Baker going for 5 years 30 million.....he isnt someone getting alot of attention and I can see Bills Levitre going for 5 years 35 million.....both guys are not great but they are good....they arent pro bowl guys but they are sure alot better than what we have now. |
Outside of his rookie year and this year Baker has been terrible and injured...if we paid him $30 million I would be really PO'ed...Levitre on the other hand is maybe the most underrated OG in football and would be a terrific pick up...
As for Cam Cameron...just say no. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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The numbers on Levitre are high as well Yanda who is a Pro Bowler got 5/35.
I think Levitre is a 5/25 guy like Josh Sitton.
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Bears54
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: ok.. |
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Ok so a NO on Cam Cameron....
So sign Levitre to be our next OG and who do we sign at OT????
What about the Patriots Vollmer???? |
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Madmike90
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: ok.. |
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| Bears54 wrote: | Ok so a NO on Cam Cameron....
So sign Levitre to be our next OG and who do we sign at OT????
What about the Patriots Vollmer???? |
Albert
Clady
Bushrod
Vollmer
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Draft a guy early. |
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The Bears can afford to get whoever they want, it's just a matter of identifying if that player is worth it and what the cost is of getting him. If the Bears were to pursue a Jake Long type of player on the o-line then surely they would have to cut a higher salary from another position deemed expendable.
Or say for example Urlacher, Kellen Davis and Idonije, etc aren't to be brought back next year, this could then potentially free up a decent sum of money for the Bears to go land an impact player in FA, or help reward and extend one of their own players ie. Melton. Never say never. Bears have Cliff Stein remeber.
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| topwop1 wrote: | The Bears can afford to get whoever they want, it's just a matter of identifying if that player is worth it and what the cost is of getting him. If the Bears were to pursue a Jake Long type of player on the o-line then surely they would have to cut a higher salary from another position deemed expendable.
Or say for example Urlacher, Kellen Davis and Idonije, etc aren't to be brought back next year, this could then potentially free up a decent sum of money for the Bears to go land an impact player in FA, or help reward and extend one of their own players ie. Melton. Never say never. Bears have Cliff Stein remeber. |
Urlacher is a FA this year, Davis & Idonije aren't making much.
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Madmike90
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | topwop1 wrote: | The Bears can afford to get whoever they want, it's just a matter of identifying if that player is worth it and what the cost is of getting him. If the Bears were to pursue a Jake Long type of player on the o-line then surely they would have to cut a higher salary from another position deemed expendable.
Or say for example Urlacher, Kellen Davis and Idonije, etc aren't to be brought back next year, this could then potentially free up a decent sum of money for the Bears to go land an impact player in FA, or help reward and extend one of their own players ie. Melton. Never say never. Bears have Cliff Stein remeber. |
Urlacher is a FA this year, Davis & Idonije aren't making much. |
Idonije is also an FA...
Davis is making around $2.4 million. |
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| Madmike90 wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | topwop1 wrote: | The Bears can afford to get whoever they want, it's just a matter of identifying if that player is worth it and what the cost is of getting him. If the Bears were to pursue a Jake Long type of player on the o-line then surely they would have to cut a higher salary from another position deemed expendable.
Or say for example Urlacher, Kellen Davis and Idonije, etc aren't to be brought back next year, this could then potentially free up a decent sum of money for the Bears to go land an impact player in FA, or help reward and extend one of their own players ie. Melton. Never say never. Bears have Cliff Stein remeber. |
Urlacher is a FA this year, Davis & Idonije aren't making much. |
Idonije is also an FA...
Davis is making around $2.4 million. |
And just because there may be financial flexibility in 2013, doesn't mean you won't be desperately needing some cap room in 2016. While many of the star players are aging and won't be up for huge contracts/extensions that doesn't mean it won't be easy to spend the money on depth elsewhere, something the Bears are lacking all around.
I just don't see a player that requires the financial commitment as Long as a wise investment even in a Division with premiere pass rushers.
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| TheGreatZepp wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | topwop1 wrote: | The Bears can afford to get whoever they want, it's just a matter of identifying if that player is worth it and what the cost is of getting him. If the Bears were to pursue a Jake Long type of player on the o-line then surely they would have to cut a higher salary from another position deemed expendable.
Or say for example Urlacher, Kellen Davis and Idonije, etc aren't to be brought back next year, this could then potentially free up a decent sum of money for the Bears to go land an impact player in FA, or help reward and extend one of their own players ie. Melton. Never say never. Bears have Cliff Stein remeber. |
Urlacher is a FA this year, Davis & Idonije aren't making much. |
Idonije is also an FA...
Davis is making around $2.4 million. |
And just because there may be financial flexibility in 2013, doesn't mean you won't be desperately needing some cap room in 2016. While many of the star players are aging and won't be up for huge contracts/extensions that doesn't mean it won't be easy to spend the money on depth elsewhere, something the Bears are lacking all around.
I just don't see a player that requires the financial commitment as Long as a wise investment even in a Division with premiere pass rushers. |
If we can guarantee a strong spot on this line especially LT I would feel better. Right know we have musical chairs on the OL because everyone sucks. MInus Garza which is on his last leg and seeing a strong sample of Louis which coming back from injury will he play the same. SIck of every week someones in a new spot. Solidifie LT which needs a major upgrade make Webb and Carimi fight it out for a starting RT spot on this roster. If we dont get a name we are in the same position as last year. Sam Baker is horrible I would rather stick with Webb. At least Jay will know which side the D is going to attack right now its both or either
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| Madmike90 wrote: | | Going after Long would be a bad move for us. |
Why?
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Madmike90
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| ak06max wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | Going after Long would be a bad move for us. |
Why? |
Long’s body at only 27 years old is clearly starting to break down…in 2011 his season was ended with a back injury then a torn triceps and now his 2012 season has been ended again with that triceps injury…he has struggled as a run blocker this season for the first time in his career and that is largely down to the Fins moving to a zone blocking scheme but his pass pro has also taken a bit of a dip…giving up a career high 7 sacks in just 12 games…the amount of money he will command on name along is more than we should be spending on only one of the five positions that we need upfront. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:25 am Post subject: Re: Dan Pompel says the Bears can't afford to pursue Jake L |
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| WindyCity wrote: | | TheGreatZepp wrote: | | Selkiesxx wrote: | Interesting.
Just saw it on Rotoworld.com. I'm glad to hear this, Long has been awful the past two seasons. |
He's a good player, he's performance took a dive when zone blocking was implemented in Miami, his best days were in a man power blocking scheme.
Chances are that Long's contract will hinder any team that does spend the kind of money he's asking for. Don't think spending that much money on any offensive lineman is a good idea for the Bears, they need more then just one piece right now. That said, correct me if I'm wrong but Tice does like a lot of Power/Man. |
Even if Lovie keeps his job Tice is getting fired.
He might be the worst OC I have ever seen. |
I'm not trying to say he's done a good job but I have no confidence that the Bears front office will be smart enough to cut the chord this quickly.
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If Lovie does not return as many suspect I think almost anything is up for grabs in FA. Without Lovie in the mix I think much of this roster gets blown up, with several of the larger contracts potentially being elsewhere. Especially if a new HC brought in a 3-4.
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